You should have paid attention then. Do your own research.give the post to the answeres then. if rejected must been a good reason, but to give benift of the doubt please post the number, and or topic.
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You should have paid attention then. Do your own research.give the post to the answeres then. if rejected must been a good reason, but to give benift of the doubt please post the number, and or topic.
PICJAG.
Why should I repost proves that you as a non-Trinitarian have already rejected?PLEASE post those scriptures.
PICJAG.
ok, laying all aside, just give me your answer then. is the Person in John 1:3 is the same person in Isaiah 44:24 yes or no.You should have paid attention then. Do your own research.
That is not a yes or no question.ok, laying all aside, just give me your answer then. is the Person in John 1:3 is the same person in Isaiah 44:24 yes or no.
simple, a yes or no please....
PICJAG.
= spirit of AntichristI am not interested in a thread where a bunch of trinitarians agree with each other and where only Christians are permitted to post. This thread refutes most of the trinitarian arguments and exposes them as false.
ok then John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.That is not a yes or no question.
John is talking about the second person the Trinity, who is the Word. The Word that took on the flesh of Jesus Christ without ever ceasing to be the second person.
Isaiah is not describing the incarnation. He is talking to the listeners of that day, whom he created the womb. He declared himself the creator of Everything.
And remember word and Word do not mean the same thing.
No, the Word is the second person of the Trinity. He took on flesh and became Jesus Christ. Meaning the second person of God indwelling the created flesh of Jesus Christ.ok then John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
ok here in Joh 1:1 the word was God. this word that is God, is the ONE we're speaking of. verse 2 the "SAME" was in the beginning with God, THAT WORD. the same "word" that was made flesh, John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
now are we on the same page?. the Word who is Jesus the Christ, THAT PERSON.
now is Jesus , here in John 1:3 the same PERSON in Isaiah 44:24 YES or NO your answer please
PICJAG.
ok, is your second person indwelling that created flesh the same person in Isaiah 44:24 yes or no?No, the Word is the second person of the Trinity. He took on flesh and became Jesus Christ. Meaning the second person of God indwelling the created flesh of Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 44:24 New International Version (NIV)ok, is your second person indwelling that created flesh the same person in Isaiah 44:24 yes or no?
PICJAG.
last time,Isaiah 44:24 New International Version (NIV)
Jerusalem to Be Inhabited
24 “This is what the Lord says—
your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb:
I am the Lord,
the Maker of all things,
who stretches out the heavens,
who spreads out the earth by myself,
Genesis makes it clear the Trinity did all of creation.
So it is talking about the Trinity here.
Typical trinitarian response. Attack the messenger rather than the message.= spirit of Antichrist
“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ [as defined by scripture] is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” (1 John 4:3)Typical trinitarian response. Attack the messenger rather than the message.
Why would you quote that verse since I believe the Messiah has come in the flesh? I certainly would not call him Jesus Christ, but I do call him Yeshua the Messiah which is his Scriptural name.“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ [as defined by scripture] is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” (1 John 4:3)
You believe a false Christ came in the flesh = Spirit of Antichrist.Why would you quote that verse since I believe the Messiah has come in the flesh? I certainly would not call him Jesus Christ, but I do call him Yeshua the Messiah which is his Scriptural name.
How is Yeshua the Messiah a false Christ? The verse tells me that I should believe the Messiah has come In the flesh. You, however, teach that God has come in the flesh. Who is the false teacher?You believe a false Christ came in the flesh = Spirit of Antichrist.
Christ is trinitarian. Anything but that is false.How is Yeshua the Messiah a false Christ? The verse tells me that I should believe the Messiah has come In the flesh. You, however, teach that God has come in the flesh. Who is the false teacher?
Without the Holy Spirit of God, being both the Father and the Son (John 14:23), within a person, they do not have a spirit unto themselves.The second person of the Trinity is the Word.
At the incarnation the Word took on flesh and became Jesus Christ.
His flesh is 100% human. But it did not exist until the incarnation.
His spirit is the second person of the Trinity.
Just like we are a union of flesh and spirit without the to ever becoming one substance, so was it Jesus Christ.
When they refer to the eternal existence of Jesus in the Old Testament it concerned his spirit, not his flesh.
When they talk about Jesus as Messiah it concerns his flesh.
His flesh died on the cross, the spirit did not.