The Incarnation of God, Death of Man.
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101G
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addressing post #1. the very first problem of the video is when they said the second person took on human nature. ok, if one took on human nature, then he's something else before he took on the human nature. and being something else he could not be human because he took on the human nature. scripture, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men". likeness is not as eminating form the same source. so no, he has only one nature, and took part in our nature, supportive scripture. Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil". took part is not "partake".
second problem, same verse, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men". if the second person of the Godhed, as said in the video, seperate himsef then one have two Gods. well here by G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') himself, he's a Separate Nature "person". for the scriptures are clear, "the Father sent the Son. so if the Son is a second person and is made flesh, and sent from, then one has two Gods in two different "natures" or forms.
Address post #2, concering, "can God die". Spiritually no, naturally yes. for there are two deaths, the first "natural" death. the separation from the body, which dies, not the spirit. and there is the second death which is no return from.
the Life Jesus laid down. scripture, 1 John 3:16 "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren". see the possess pronoun "his" as in his life. what was the LIFE he gave? answer, "Blood". scripture, Leviticus 17:11a "For the life of the flesh is in the blood". and Leviticus 17:14a "For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof".
so when he loss that "Blood" on the cross, that's the LIFE he, God, Gave. for as the scriptures states, "he took on flesh and "BLOOD".
PICJAG.
second problem, same verse, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men". if the second person of the Godhed, as said in the video, seperate himsef then one have two Gods. well here by G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') himself, he's a Separate Nature "person". for the scriptures are clear, "the Father sent the Son. so if the Son is a second person and is made flesh, and sent from, then one has two Gods in two different "natures" or forms.
Address post #2, concering, "can God die". Spiritually no, naturally yes. for there are two deaths, the first "natural" death. the separation from the body, which dies, not the spirit. and there is the second death which is no return from.
the Life Jesus laid down. scripture, 1 John 3:16 "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren". see the possess pronoun "his" as in his life. what was the LIFE he gave? answer, "Blood". scripture, Leviticus 17:11a "For the life of the flesh is in the blood". and Leviticus 17:14a "For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof".
so when he loss that "Blood" on the cross, that's the LIFE he, God, Gave. for as the scriptures states, "he took on flesh and "BLOOD".
PICJAG.
101G
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gadar perets
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Every professing believer in Messiah Yeshua should be a non-trinitarian as well since such a doctrine is not found in Scripture.
gadar perets
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I am not interested in a thread where a bunch of trinitarians agree with each other and where only Christians are permitted to post. This thread refutes most of the trinitarian arguments and exposes them as false.
gadar perets
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The second person of the Trinity is the Word.
At the incarnation the Word took on flesh and became Jesus Christ.
His flesh is 100% human. But it did not exist until the incarnation.
His spirit is the second person of the Trinity.
Just like we are a union of flesh and spirit without the to ever becoming one substance, so was it Jesus Christ.
When they refer to the eternal existence of Jesus in the Old Testament it concerned his spirit, not his flesh.
When they talk about Jesus as Messiah it concerns his flesh.
His flesh died on the cross, the spirit did not.
At the incarnation the Word took on flesh and became Jesus Christ.
His flesh is 100% human. But it did not exist until the incarnation.
His spirit is the second person of the Trinity.
Just like we are a union of flesh and spirit without the to ever becoming one substance, so was it Jesus Christ.
When they refer to the eternal existence of Jesus in the Old Testament it concerned his spirit, not his flesh.
When they talk about Jesus as Messiah it concerns his flesh.
His flesh died on the cross, the spirit did not.
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