The logic of Trinitarians and Jehovah's Witnesses...

[stredaleve]

You said, "and there is also doctrines about two Gods which makes people even more confused... x.x"

x.x is smiley
yes two Gods is christ God and the father God that is two Gods

the trinity is 3 in 1 God
the holy spirit is equal to christ
christ is equal to the father
okay that's kind of messy

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

like i said there are evidences of 3 in 1
there are also evidences of monotheist
there are also evidences of two Gods that can be found in the bible

x.x what should i believe then
people will insist we are in the right while the others are in the wrong it is always like this x.x and will be always is

 

[Enoch111]

But what the Bible wants to say: In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was divine.

You continue to post nonsense even after being shown the truth from the Bible. You deliberately failed to capitalize "Word" and then deliberately changed "God" to "divine" (which is not in the Greek text).

So it appears that you are fully committed to false teachings and heretical doctrines. If you cannot get the doctrine of Christ straight, then you will not comprehend any other Bible truth.

 

[janc2]

You deliberately failed to capitalize "Word"

The word is not capitalized because it is not a person. The Greek word for word is logos, which means "what someone says or writes".

and then deliberately changed "God" to "divine" (which is not in the Greek text).

There is no difference between God and divine. God means like divine "Power".

 

[Enoch111]

The word is not capitalized because it is not a person.

The entire first chapter of John tells you that "the Word is a person". Which means that you do not believe God.

There is no difference between God and divine. God means like divine "Power".

What is the actual word which was translated as "God"? It was "Theos". That stands for the one truly and living God. And if you do not believe that Jesus is God, you will die in your sins.

 

[janc2]

I guess that's YOUR error. "Gen 1 God (singular) said let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness."

He talked to the angels, to the sons of god, like Adam is a son of God.
But this refers to the image of God, everyone who was created in the image of God is a son of God, every human being is a little god and therefore a ruler.
But in relation to the Messiah, the image of God refers to the personality of God, he is God's only begotten Son of God.

 

[janc2]

The entire first chapter of John tells you that "the Word is a person". Which means that you do not believe God.

The whole chapter does not talk about a person, you take some things too literally and therefore do not understand the symbolic language.
Why don't you just look at what "logos" means? Then you would realize that the word is what God speaks, didn't God speak in the beginning and things became? That is why it is said: "All things were created from God through his word".
So shall be my word that goes out of my mouth: it shall not return to me empty, but it shall direct what pleases me, and carry out what I have sent it for.

What is the actual word which was translated as "God"? It was "Theos". That stands for the one truly and living God. And if you do not believe that Jesus is God, you will die in your sins.

The word is divine, because it is from God, but it is not a person. I am saying that the word is the Almighty, but not as another person but as expression of God.

 

[Cooper]

by what i understand now the son God is not the creator but the model of all creature and the father God is the real creator

The Son is simply the creator, who Father who came among us for 33 took on human

yes maybe because God is in the father
and there are a lot of doctrines about it like you said don't let people confuse you

well i am not or maybe i am just by listening i am getting confused already

we are curse adam and eve our ancestor ate the forbidden fruit of good and evil

we know what is good and what is evil
is God mentally illed when he said "let US" make man in "OUR" image according to OUR likeness.

to the point he is talking to himself?
i am not blaspheming nor am i speaking in vain

is he? he is not right?
now that i think about it yes i am getting more confused lol

theree are evidences that he is 3 in 1
there are also evidences that he is not
of course you two will fight it out and make other more people even more confused

why don't you just pray for me qwq
pray for me that i should see the truth not pray for me that i should believe 3 in 1

All you need to believe, is that the One God is our
(1) Heavenly Father. He came among us, born of the
(2) Spirit and of Mary to redeem us from our sins.
(3) Jesus is his name on earth.

There is no other like him. I will pray for you.
.

 

[Cooper]

what do you mean what
you can understand kjv but you can't understand me should i also use thee thou thine?

You have a sense of humour. (thumbs up)

 

[Cooper]

The whole chapter does not talk about a person, you take some things too literally and therefore do not understand the symbolic language.
Why don't you just look at what "logos" means? Then you would realize that the word is what God speaks, didn't God speak in the beginning and things became? That is why it is said: "All things were created from God through his word".
So shall be my word that goes out of my mouth: it shall not return to me empty, but it shall direct what pleases me, and carry out what I have sent it for.
The word is divine, because it is from God, but it is not a person. I am saying that the word is the Almighty, but not as another person but as expression of God.

The wonder of it is, that the divine Word became flesh born of Mary. This is the ONE OMNIPRESENT GOD in heaven and on earth. They are the same (houtos).
.

 

[janc2]

The wonder of it is, that the divine Word became flesh born of Mary.

And what does it mean?
It means that:
"The words I speak to you I do not speak from myself, but the Father who is in me, he does it."

One has seen the father through the words he spoke in the son.

 

[Cooper]

The word is not capitalized because it is not a person. The Greek word for word is logos, which means "what someone says or writes".

There is no difference between God and divine. God means like divine "Power".

And God said, Let there be light. And there was light. (Genesis 1:3 MKJV)

The Word created the heavens and the earth. This is Jesus the Word, meaning Jesus is Creator God.
.

 

[Cooper]

And what does it mean?
It means Jesus is the Father on earth:
"The words I speak to you I do not speak from myself, but the Father who is in me, he does it."
One has seen the father through the words he spoke in the son.

You said it! And seeing as the Father is Spirit, we have the three persons of the Trinity present in Jesus the Logos, who as the Word said let there be light and there was.
.

 

[kcnalp]

x.x is smiley
yes two Gods is christ God and the father God that is two Gods

the trinity is 3 in 1 God
the holy spirit is equal to christ
christ is equal to the father
okay that's kind of messy

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

like i said there are evidences of 3 in 1
there are also evidences of monotheist
there are also evidences of two Gods that can be found in the bible

x.x what should i believe then
people will insist we are in the right while the others are in the wrong it is always like this x.x and will be always is

You believe in 2 Gods? lol

 

[kcnalp]

The word is not capitalized because it is not a person. The Greek word for word is logos, which means "what someone says or writes".

There is no difference between God and divine. God means like divine "Power".

You've already been proven wrong on that. Remember?

John 1:1-4 (NKJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

 

[kcnalp]

He talked to the angels, to the sons of god, like Adam is a son of God.
But this refers to the image of God, everyone who was created in the image of God is a son of God, every human being is a little god and therefore a ruler.
But in relation to the Messiah, the image of God refers to the personality of God, he is God's only begotten Son of God.

Angels created you? Oh my! Evil angels or good angels?

 

[stredaleve]

The Son is simply the creator, who Father who came among us for 33 took on human All you need to believe, is that the One God is our (1) Heavenly Father, born of the (2) Spirit and of Mary on earth took away our sins on the cross and (3) Jesus is his name on earth. There is no other like him. I will pray for you. .

yes pray for me pray that i see the truth not pray that i see what you see that is what you see 3 in 1 but that is not what i see 1st i believe in two Gods the son God and the father God 2nd i somewhat believe in 1 God

You have a sense of humour. (thumbs up)

uhm tbh i am not trying to be funny

You believe in 2 Gods? lol

yup but i did not say to you that i am what i said is if you browse the world you will know that there are a lot of religion a lot of different beliefs a lot of different doctrines

what i was just saying is that your beliefs of trinity is just one of them
my beliefs in 2 Gods is just one of them as well

don't you agree
if you do not agree then like i said it will be always like this people are always right in their own mind while other people in their eyes are always wrong this includes me

so just how will you respect other beliefs if you know that beliefs is wrong and how will people who wants their beliefs to be respected if they themselves do not respect others who do not respect other beliefs

i just hope you will understand my trashy english grammar
and he said do not fight over my words because this is in vain
and this is in vain if you cannot see what i see and i cannot see what you see how is this profitable?

 

[janc2]

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

This is also a possible translation:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 That was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through that, and without that nothing was made that was made.
4 In that was life, and the life was the light of men.

The greek words hutos and autos can also mean "that".

 

[Cooper]

yes pray for me pray that i see the truth not pray that i see what you see that is what you see 3 in 1 but that is not what i see 1st i believe in two Gods the son God and the father God 2nd i somewhat believe in 1 God uhm tbh i am not trying to be funny yup but i did not say to you that i am what i said is if you browse the world you will know that there are a lot of religion a lot of different beliefs a lot of different doctrines

what i was just saying is that your beliefs of trinity is just one of them
my beliefs in 2 Gods is just one of them as well

don't you agree
if you do not agree then like i said it will be always like this people are always right in their own mind while other people in their eyes are always wrong this includes me

so just how will you respect other beliefs if you know that beliefs is wrong and how will people who wants their beliefs to be respected if they themselves do not respect others who do not respect other beliefs

i just hope you will understand my trashy english grammar
and he said do not fight over my words because this is in vain
and this is in vain if you cannot see what i see and i cannot see what you see how is this profitable?

Father and Son are simply the One God in heaven and on earth. The Creator is the Word and Jesus is the Word made flesh. We call the pre-incarnate Jesus the Father. THEY ARE THE SAME (houtos).
God is One.

 

[Cooper]

This is also a possible translation:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 That was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through that, and without that nothing was made that was made.
4 In that was life, and the life was the light of men.

The greek words hutos and autos can also mean "that".

So what! hutos means "the same." The Word and Theos are houtos (the same).

Joh 1:1 In the beginning (archē) was the Word,(logos) and the Word (logos) was with God, theos and the Word (logos) was God (theos). Joh 1:2 The same (houtos) was in the beginning (archē) with God theos.

Give over, if you knew Greek you wouldn't be saying these things.

 

[Cooper]

what i was just saying is that your beliefs of trinity is just one of them
my beliefs in 2 Gods is just one of them as well

don't you agree
if you do not agree then like i said it will be always like this people are always right in their own mind while other people in their eyes are always wrong this includes me

so just how will you respect other beliefs if you know that beliefs is wrong and how will people who wants their beliefs to be respected if they themselves do not respect others who do not respect other beliefs

i just hope you will understand my trashy english grammar
and he said do not fight over my words because this is in vain
and this is in vain if you cannot see what i see and i cannot see what you see how is this profitable?

I honestly could not bring myself to pray that you believe in two Gods. Sorry.