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dev553344

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because you boasted in them, and in prophecy.
this is not befitting speech for a Christian, and you should learn that.

a true prophet either proves himself a man of God, or doesn't boast in the first place.
2 Kings 1.

I boasted? That sounds like an opinion and not factual. It's somewhat flaming and goading, be careful.
 

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I boasted? That sounds like an opinion and not factual. It's somewhat flaming and goading, be careful.

opinion??

here, proof:

I recieve prophecy from Jesus the Christ all the time.
I'm blessed with a lot of prophecies and miracles.
Christ teaches me all the time
I see a lot of churches attempting to claim they have authority, yet perform no miracles. I appear to have more authority then they do.

what's all that then?
humility?
 

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i'll let you know in the morning whether by your authority and super-christianity the thing i have laid before God in your name comes to pass tonight.

later
 

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i'll let you know in the morning whether by your authority and super-christianity the thing i have laid before God in your name comes to pass tonight.

later
I know you're trying to harass me into tempting God. God did tell me about one thing, there should be an earthquake midway between north and south China, very near to the coast line, these things usually show up within a weeks time. If it doesn't come true then God forgave them, if not then you will see it. I'll keep watch on the earth quake map and pray that God forgives them.
 

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I know you're trying to harass me into tempting God. God did tell me about one thing, there should be an earthquake midway between north and south China, very near to the coast line, these things usually show up within a weeks time. If it doesn't come true then God forgave them, if not then you will see it. I'll keep watch on the earth quake map and pray that God forgives them.

Earthquakes on the coast of China are historically a weekly event as it is.

I'll let you know if the thing I laid before Him happens tonight or not.

Shouldn't you be praying instead of trying to change the sign to something banal? And what I ask isn't a hard thing

But this is what we will both learn:

Proverbs 21:23
Whoever guards his mouth and tongue keeps his soul from troubles.
 

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Earthquakes on the coast of China are historically a weekly event as it is.

I'll let you know if the thing I laid before Him happens tonight or not.

Shouldn't you be praying instead of trying to change the sign to something banal? And what I ask isn't a hard thing

But this is what we will both learn:

Proverbs 21:23
Whoever guards his mouth and tongue keeps his soul from troubles.
I pointed to the quakes location and no they don't happen weekly, I know I keep an eye on the earthquake map. And you're boasting again, thinking God is going to bother me with some request of yours that tempts God when warning China seems all important. Warning China could save lives.
 
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I pointed to the quakes location and no they don't happen weekly, I know I keep an eye on the earthquake map. And you're boasting again, thinking God is going to bother me with some insignificant request of yours when warning China seems all important. Warning China could save lives.

O so you're busy on Chinese forums probably evacuating the coastline. huh I guess I should let you get back to your important work.
Weird how there are more Christians in China than any other nation in earth but you're the one with the message?

Well. I'll update in the morning whether the thing I laid before Him came to pass tonight or not. It's such a small thing.

Good night
 

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O so you're busy on Chinese forums probably evacuating the coastline. huh I guess I should let you get back to your important work.
Weird how there are more Christians in China than any other nation in earth but you're the one with the message?

Well. I'll update in the morning whether the thing I laid before Him came to pass tonight or not. It's such a small thing.

Good night
It's OK, I'm not as important as the people in China that could be effected by the earthquake. I pray God will deliver them. And if your prayer is righteous, I hope God will deliver you that thing, if not then I hope he ignores your request.
 

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@theefaith Jesus talks to me and prophecies to me and they come true. I have seen no valid prophecy from the RCC nor true authority as such. I have been part of healings in his name and seen the evidence of the miracles. What does the RCC have to offer in the form of miracles performed?
Check out real medically proven miracles of Lourdes
 

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@theefaith I see a lot of churches attempting to claim they have authority, yet perform no miracles. I appear to have more authority then they do. At least I'm blessed with a lot of prophecies and miracles. Christ teaches me all the time and draws me in as the bible tells us. What need have I of a church other than fellowship. Perhaps this is why I'm not seeing any real authority from any of the churches. Jesus will draw them into the Father not a church. Follow man or follow Jesus, who has more authority @theefaith and please don't be blasphemous and say your church has more authority that Jesus that visits me in spirit.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

church has same authority as Jesus

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15


Christ and His church are one, what Christ did the church continues to do, the church is an extension of Christ!
To attack the church is to attack Christ!
Acts 9:4

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!
 

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the RCC ≠ Christ.

and neither is boating of signs and wonders.

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15


Matt 16:17-19

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

You can’t give the keys or authority or power to a confession!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, so send in you. (The apostles) posses the same power mission and authority as Christ!
Peter, the apostles and their successors!

Christ and His church are one. Acts 9:4 we must be taught by the holy church by the apostles! Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Lk 24:27 Acts 2:42 Acts 8, eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 thee faith not read scripture and make you’re own faith!

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

God always establishes order in obedience to hierarchical authority of fathers! Heb 13:17

Protestantism is a sin against the Christian virtue of obedience!
(Spiritual anarchy)

Romans 16:26
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Jn 20:21-23 as the father sent me, so send I you. (The apostles)

All Protestantism can produce is confusion, anarchy, disobedience, spiritual blindness, pride, presumption, and arrogant rebellion!
 

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Perpetual Virginity of Mary!

Mary conceived "without any detriment to her virginity, which remained inviolate even after his birth" (apostolic Council of the Lateran, 649) with the jurisdictional authority of Peter and the apostles in holy council! Matt 16:18 18:18 Jn 20:21-23 eph 2:20 bound on earth bound in heaven!

The Bible never says anyone is a biological child of Mary accept for Jesus Christ!

And the Bible says Her child is holy! And Her child is God!

Is 7:14 God provides a sign, a Virgin shall conceive and bear a son! (Singular, one son)

Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”

Song of Solomon 4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

(Mary had become the dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone?)

Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

(The Bible says only the Holy Ghost conceived in Mary)

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
(A son singular) (only Jesus is savior)

Lk 1:28 Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee!

Blessed art thou amongst all women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
(The fruit of Her womb is blessed and holy)

Lk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
(A son, singular)

Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
(This verse imply’s a vow of perpetual virginity, She refuses even the exalted dignity of mother of God and mother of our savior if it means violating Her vow of perpetual virginity)

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
(Her son is God)

Matt 1:25 He knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

2 Samuel 6:23 tells us: Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child UNTIL the day of her death.

Are we to assume that Michal had children after she died?

Until only states that they had no relation up to that point, the Bible does not say they had sex ever, before or after that point!

First born does not imply a second born. An only child is still first born!

The Bible says Joseph a just and therefore a chaste man, it does not say he has gone into Mary anywhere in scripture, 2 Sam 12:24 And David comforted Bathsheba his wife, and went in unto her, and lay with her: and she bare a son, and he called his name Solomon: and the Lord loved him. Never says this about a Joseph, for He was full of fear and reverence for Her immaculate purity and holiness! Especially after hearing from an angel that her child was of the Holy Spirit!



Brothers and sisters of Jesus?

They are not the children of Mary!

Is 7:14 a virgin shall conceive and bear a son!
(One son, singular)

James is the son of zebedee, and the other James is the son of Alpheus not Joseph!
Matt 10:2-3

In Hebrew culture any close relative can be called brother or sister, lot was called Abraham’s brother but was his nephew.

Gen 12:5 and Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son..

Gen 13:8 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdsmen and thy herdsmen; for we are Brothers.

The 12 sons of Jacob are brothers but all are not the children of Leah and all are not the children of Rachel! They had 4 mother’s, These may be brothers but they are simply not the children of One mother and the brothers of Jesus are not the children of Mary!

Jose’s, Simon Salome are children of another Mary!

Mk 15:40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;

Is Mary the mother of James?
If you mean the Blessed Virgin Mary then no. Her sister-in-law, Mary of Clopas, was the wife of Alphaeus (St. Joseph's brother), and mother of Simon, Joseph, and the apostles Judas Thaddeus, and James (the Less, brother of the Lord): Jesus' cousins.

The "sisters" of Jesus refer to women disciples.

Salome, or Mary Salome, was the wife of Zebedee, and mother of apostles John (the beloved), and James (the greater).


Regarding Mat. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3, two of the four "brethren" are James and Judas of Alphaeus (cf. Mat. 10:2-3, Lk. 6:15-16, Act. 1:13). The third, Joseph, is identified in Mk. 15:40 as the brother of James of Alphaeus. The fourth, Simon, is identified in Mat. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3 as the brother of Joseph, James, and Judas of Alphaeus. Therefore, all four are were the sons of Alphaeus, not St. Joseph and the Blessed Virgin Mary.

When Jesus was twelve they went up to Jerusalem, the holy family, Joseph, Mary, and Jesus. Where are the brothers and sisters?

Jesus on the cross gives His mother to John, why? Why not James or a brother? Perhaps the law of Moses requires a mother to be given to the next oldest son? Because he was an only Son!
Only begotten of the Father, only begotten of the Mother.

Only God can be born of a Virgin-mother!

“You had good reason to be horrified at the thought that another birth might issue from the same virginal womb from which Christ was born according to the flesh. For the Lord Jesus would never have chosen to be born of a virgin if he had ever judged that she would be so incontinent as to contaminate with the seed of human intercourse the birthplace of the Lord’s body, that court of the eternal king” (ancient writer)

Martin Luther

It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. … Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.)

John Calvin

(On the Heretic Helvidius) Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s “brothers” are sometimes mentioned. (Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)

[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called “first-born”; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107)

Under the word “brethren” the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, [7:3])

John Wesley

‘I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin’ (‘Letter to a Roman Catholic’, The Works of Rev. John Wesley, vol 10, p. 81).
 

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St Augustine, Sermons 186.1 (early 5th century):

“In being born of a Virgin who chose to remain a Virgin even before she knew who was to be born of her, Christ wanted to approve virginity rather than to impose it. And he wanted virginity to be of free choice even in that woman in whom he took upon himself the form of a slave” (Holy Virginity 4:4 [A.D. 401]).

“It was not the visible sun, but its invisible Creator who consecrated this day for us, when the Virgin Mother, fertile of womb and integral in her virginity, brought him forth, made visible for us, by whom, when he was invisible, she too was created. A Virgin conceiving, a Virgin bearing, a Virgin pregnant, a Virgin bringing forth, a Virgin perpetual. Why do you wonder at this, O man?” (Sermons 186:1 [A.D. 411]).

“Heretics called Antidicomarites are those who contradict the perpetual virginity of Mary and affirm that after Christ was born she was joined as one with her husband” (Heresies 56 [A.D. 428]).

St Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, III.28.3 (13th century):

"Without any hesitation we must abhor the error of Helvidius, who dared to assert that Christ's Mother, after His Birth, was carnally known by Joseph, and bore other children.

For, in the first place, this is derogatory to Christ's perfection: for as He is in His Godhead the Only-Begotten of the Father, being thus His Son in every respect perfect, so it was becoming that He should be the Only-begotten son of His Mother, as being her perfect offspring.

“Secondly, this error is an insult to the Holy Ghost, whose "shrine" was the virginal womb, wherein He had formed the flesh of Christ: wherefore it was unbecoming that it should be desecrated by intercourse with man.

“Thirdly, this is derogatory to the dignity and holiness of God's Mother: for thus she would seem to be most ungrateful, were she not content with such a Son; and were she, of her own accord, by carnal intercourse to forfeit that virginity which had been miraculously preserved in her.

“Fourthly, it would be tantamount to an imputation of extreme presumption in Joseph, to assume that he attempted to violate her whom by the angel's revelation he knew to have conceived by the Holy Ghost.

“We must therefore simply assert that the Mother of God, as she was a virgin in conceiving Him and a virgin in giving Him birth, did she remain a virgin ever afterwards."

The blessed Mary mother of God, is a perpetual virgin to the glory of God!
 

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nay, but as Nebuchadnezzar asking the court magicians, and your reputation hangs on it.
don't boast of gifts you do not have; the kingdom of God isn't boasting.

Satan testing Christ was as Jeroboam & the unnamed prophet in 1 Kings 13 -- don't you know?
Please do not compare Jesus temptation in the wilderness with any of the characters in the Bible.
No where in scripture is any man approached in the wilderness and tempted by Satan the way Jesus was tempted.
Satan was basically mocking Him (much like you are doing to this member) and challenging Jesus to PROVE He is the Son of God...
1. If you are the Son of God turn these stones into bread
2. If you are the Son of God cast yourself down...for it is written He will give His angels charge over you lest you dash your foot...
3. (This one is tricky because Satan is implying he is equal to God)
He said all this I will give you if you bow down and worship me...
Matthew 4 (KJV)
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¹ Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
² And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
³ And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
⁴ But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
⁵ Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
⁶ And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
⁷ Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
⁸ Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
⁹ And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
¹⁰ Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
¹¹ Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
 
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because you boasted in them, and in prophecy.
this is not befitting speech for a Christian, and you should learn that.

a true prophet either proves himself a man of God, or doesn't boast in the first place.
2 Kings 1.
A prophet never boasts of himself, is usually interceding in prayer and seeking His Will, does not seek to prove himself to any man only to God and is subject only to another prophet or the Holy Spirit.
You don't seem to understand the role of a prophet. I will help you if you would like.
 
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Do not pass Go; do not collect $200. If you drink, I guarantee that you will be sinning! If you could get past the, "It's a sin to drink alcohol," thing, the odd drink might enhance your personality. Might. Mitch, your legalism is hurting no one but yourself. Please try to grasp the fact that not one of us can, in any way, atone for our own sin. I'm not saying that we're free to do whatever we want; there's far too much of that going on with believers. Through faith in the complete atonement purchased for us by the Holy Lamb Of God, we are completely and eternally accepted by our heavenly Father. He will discipline us, as He sees fit, when we need it, but He will never leave us nor forsake us. "Lord, I pray that You would replace Mitch's scriptural worldview with Yours. I ask this in Jesus' holy name. Amen.

You mean the worldview that warns us that no drunkard will make it to heaven?

Paul missed out on that OSAS memo.

We are free to drink a little without sinning, on the one hand - but a practicing alcoholic who dies whir a drunkard, will not enter into heaven, if he doesn’t repent.

The deal is this: if a man is a drunkard, but doesn’t want to be, and tries to stop, but fails daily - if he sincerely repents each time - God knows if it’s sincere or not - then it’s forgiven and forgotten each time, thus he’s not a drunkard in Gods eyes.

If he never repents than he does not remain in Christ.
 
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