The Lord Jesus Christ never drank alcohol - THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL IN ANY FORM IS A SIN!

[theefaith]

it is Christ Jesus who holds the keys - Revelation 1:18
it is He who opens and no man shuts, and who shuts and no man opens - Revelation 3:7

(Keys of hell and death are not the keys of the kingdom kingdom of heaven and life) (Isa 22 matt 16:18 Peter administers the kingdom and governs the church, no king ever administers his own kingdom, example Joseph under pharaoh)

not a man. not any man, but Jesus, the God-Man

(agree)

the scripture isn't set against itself. the papal-praising interpretations you have been taught are simply not correct. He granted His keys to be used through the apostles: what they bound was already bound in heaven by the eternal self-existing One outside of time. what they loosed was already loosed in heaven by the eternal self-existing One outside of time Who was slain from the foundation of the world, who is, who was, and who is to come.

(the church founded by Christ is divine and without error)

all power is His. anyone exerting His power is being used of Him, not having authority of their own but acting on the authority of the One dwelling in them and doing the work through them.

you must not bow before men, and you must not pray to women. but to God, and God alone

(Why does Solomon now before a woman?)

the church is a kingdom not a democracy

 

[post]

Thank you post.

Soooo you don’t believe that when they asked Jesus to choose (Vs 24) he chose to ignore them and Jesus didn’t choose? Men chose; not Jesus?

i put Proverbs 16:33 to Devin earlier, because Devin appears to be of the opinion that man should be in authority over the church ((he himself he considers authoritative, weirdly)) and brought this topic up as tho it's some kind of proof of the authority of men.
so i put that proverb -- which tells us every turning of the lot is of the LORD -- because it isn't at the end of the day men who choose between Barsabas & Matthias, but God.
but it is also God who chose Judas, knowing from the beginning that he is the son of perdition appointed to deliver Him.
got to remember that the context here is filling the role of the son of perdition, and that it's not a trivial detail men chose these two in the first place to be decided between, not the Spirit.

so we're at Leviticus 16 -- two goats taken from the congregation as an offering for sin, and the lot cast between them. one of those is called the goat for Azazel, for Satan, and is sent into the wilderness with the sin of the congregation on it.
we have to sort out how that applies to Matthias -- and why we have Paul who is chosen by God apart from the will of men, and is 'poured out like a drink offering'

is Paul taking the role of the one destined to be lost, the son of perdition?
is Paul something else?
in truth there are 13 tribes of Israel -- two half tribes formed of the sons of Joseph. he's of Benjamin, the least, who was nearly destroyed in Judges 20. how is that significant here?

see how complex this is getting? and we're only scratching at the surface =]
the word of God is so amazing

 

[post]

(No it says whatsoever you bind requiring authority, you think is says these things are bound in heaven so make sure there bound on earth)

the binding/loosing is from heaven, the decision of heaven, before the apostle ever bound or loosed. the believer is an instrument, being used to carry out God's will, not an independent authority. the language is absolutely clear but lost in English translation.

authority is not with men, but all authority and power belongs to God.

 

[Marymog]

i put Proverbs 16:33 to Devin earlier, because Devin appears to be of the opinion that man should be in authority over the church ((he himself he considers authoritative, weirdly)) and brought this topic up as tho it's some kind of proof of the authority of men.
so i put that proverb -- which tells us every turning of the lot is of the LORD -- because it isn't at the end of the day men who choose between Barsabas & Matthias, but God.
but it is also God who chose Judas, knowing from the beginning that he is the son of perdition appointed to deliver Him.
got to remember that the context here is filling the role of the son of perdition, and that it's not a trivial detail men chose these two in the first place to be decided between, not the Spirit.

so we're at Leviticus 16 -- two goats taken from the congregation as an offering for sin, and the lot cast between them. one of those is called the goat for Azazel, for Satan, and is sent into the wilderness with the sin of the congregation on it.
we have to sort out how that applies to Matthias -- and why we have Paul who is chosen by God apart from the will of men, and is 'poured out like a drink offering'

is Paul taking the role of the one destined to be lost, the son of perdition?
is Paul something else?
in truth there are 13 tribes of Israel -- two half tribes formed of the sons of Joseph. he's of Benjamin, the least, who was nearly destroyed in Judges 20. how is that significant here?

see how complex this is getting? and we're only scratching at the surface =]
the word of God is so amazing

Huh????

It’s a simple question and I don’t understand your loooooong answer. A simple yes or no would be fine:

Do you believe that when they asked Jesus to choose (Vs 24) he chose to ignore them and Jesus didn’t choose who should replace Judas? Men chose; not Jesus?

 

[theefaith]

So do you attend the Mass with the great apostasy and just keep your beliefs hidden? It must be difficult for you if you have to do this.

No there are some valid priests and valid masses

 

[post]

Huh????

It’s a simple question and I don’t understand your loooooong answer. A simple yes or no would be fine:

Do you believe that when they asked Jesus to choose (Vs 24) he chose to ignore them and Jesus didn’t choose who should replace Judas? Men chose; not Jesus?

the Bible isn't simple. far from it!

we can't understand the answer to your question without understanding what it means to take the place of Judas the son of perdition.
some say the casting of lots is done away with with the giving of the Spirit -- indeed it doesn't appear again after this. but there is a clear correlation here with Leviticus 16, so we have to understand Leviticus 16 before we have any idea what Acts 1:15-26 is. and we have to know who Judas is, what his 'place' is -- we're talking about someone filling the role of the evil shepherd, so we have to understand Zechariah, too. we also have to deal with Paul - because there is a clear contrast between these two men. we have to understand why it's said Matthias is 'numbered with the 11' instead of the 12 in Acts 1:26.

your question isn't a simple one.
but if all you want is simplicity, then as i've already said at least twice now, Proverbs 16:33. i do not disbelieve Proverbs 16:33 -- but taking that as an answer and leaving the topic is failing to understand this. remember Proverbs 1:22, keep it close to your heart.

Bible study, Mary. it's not a simple thing. it takes devotion and it isn't going to be over with in 5 minutes. you do it for an entire lifetime and never run out of questions left unanswered.

 

[post]

the church is a kingdom not a democracy

rightly said!

but Christ is king; not some pope, not Peter, not Devin, nor any man

 

[theefaith]

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the binding/loosing is from heaven, the decision of heaven, before the apostle ever bound or loosed. the believer is an instrument, being used to carry out God's will, not an independent authority. the language is absolutely clear but lost in English translation.

authority is not with men, but all authority and power belongs to God.

God always establishes authority in men!

who was Moses?
He was the mediator of the old covenant

Matt 16:17-19

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

whatsoever you (peter) not God in heaven

the authority is Christ’s but Peter and the apostles exercise it, nothing to fear here they are acting with Christ Jn 15:5 eph 5:24


Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

 

[theefaith]

rightly said!

but Christ is king; not some pope, not Peter, not Devin, nor any man

Christ is king, but he ascended to heaven and does NOT administer the kingdom nor govern the church

peter and the apostles and their successors do Isa 22:21-22 matt 16:18 eph 2:20

 

[post]

God always establishes authority in men!

God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
has in these last days spoken to us by His Son
(Hebrews 1:1)​

 

[post]

Christ is king, but he ascended to heaven and does NOT administer the kingdom nor govern the church

He is the head of the body, the church
(Colossians 1:18)

I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ
(1 Corinthians 11:3)

Christ is the head of the church
(Ephesians 5:23)

God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church
(Ephesians 1:22)

​

 

[Marymog]

the Bible isn't simple. far from it!

we can't understand the answer to your question without understanding what it means to take the place of Judas the son of perdition.
some say the casting of lots is done away with with the giving of the Spirit -- indeed it doesn't appear again after this. but there is a clear correlation here with Leviticus 16, so we have to understand Leviticus 16 before we have any idea what Acts 1:15-26 is. and we have to know who Judas is, what his 'place' is -- we're talking about someone filling the role of the evil shepherd, so we have to understand Zechariah, too. we also have to deal with Paul - because there is a clear contrast between these two men. we have to understand why it's said Matthias is 'numbered with the 11' instead of the 12 in Acts 1:26.

your question isn't a simple one.
but if all you want is simplicity, then as i've already said at least twice now, Proverbs 16:33. i do not disbelieve Proverbs 16:33 -- but taking that as an answer and leaving the topic is failing to understand this. remember Proverbs 1:22, keep it close to your heart.

Bible study, Mary. it's not a simple thing. it takes devotion and it isn't going to be over with in 5 minutes. you do it for an entire lifetime and never run out of questions left unanswered.

I don’t understand a word you said.

Thank you for your time.

 

[theefaith]

God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
has in these last days spoken to us by His Son
(Hebrews 1:1)​

And what did the son do? He appointed apostles to administer his kingdom

 

[theefaith]

He is the head of the body, the church
(Colossians 1:18)

I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ
(1 Corinthians 11:3)

Christ is the head of the church
(Ephesians 5:23)

God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church
(Ephesians 1:22)

​

yes yes yes
But he appointed the apostles he commanded the apostles
He founded the new covenant church
He gave his authority to the apostles
We must be taught by them and obey them
I know obedience is not a Protestant virtue rebellion is

 

[Stan B]

I would always limit myself to two drinks, I am a light weight, I'll get tipsy. Anything over 1 drink per hour and the law says you are intoxicated and not able to drive. The French have a glass or two of wine with every meal. They have a high tolerance and so don't feel it and are in control.

You have already given the answer in mentioning the French system. If you drink on an empty stomach, the alcohol goes immediately into your system and you can get tipsy. But if you have wine with your dinner, the wine gets into your system at the same rate as the rest of the food, which takes about 4 hours. I have two or three glasses of wine every day, but only with my evening meal. That way I can enjoy my wine without getting the slightest bit tipsy.

 

[Raccoon1010]

No there are some valid priests and valid masses

Perhaps I want to check that out. How do I know if they are valid or not?

 

[Stan B]

The Bible doesn't say don't drink wine, it says don't get drunk on wine. As others have noted, wine has a medicinal purpose for stomach problems. It is also good for the blood.

The Bible does not say "don't get drunk on wine". Quite the opposite:

Give strong drink to him who is perishing,
And wine to him whose life is bitter.
Let him drink and forget his poverty
And remember his trouble no more. Proverbs 31

I am sure that if one drinks enough strong drink to remember his trouble no more, it suggests more than just getting a bit tipsy.

So in addition to being a medicine for the stomach, it would seem to be a Biblically prescribed anti-depressant.

 

[post]

I don’t understand

yeah that's clear.

Thank you for your time

and you're clearly not interested in getting understanding either.

 

[theefaith]

Perhaps I want to check that out. How do I know if they are valid or not?

Who ordained them and what they teach, do they teach the ancient faith of the apostles with the ancient mass and sacraments of the apostles

 

[Raccoon1010]

Who ordained them and what they teach, do they teach the ancient faith of the apostles with the ancient mass and sacraments of the apostles

Yeah I heard that was denounced by the Pope.