The Many Mansions in the House of God.

[Earburner]

John.8[23] And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world;
I am not of this world.

John.18[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

> Therefore, in all that we "watch" and take notice, that is of this world, let us agree that we, being His Saints, His New creatures, are looking for a New Heaven and a New earth, which also IS NOT OF THIS WORLD, NOR IS IT FROM HERE.

Gen.2[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground [earth-Strongs H127], and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

2Pet.3[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for New heavens and a New earth, where-IN dwelleth righteousness.

> Question: where does the Righteousness of God desire to DWELL?
> Ans. ".....we have this treasure [His Holy Spirit] IN [our] earthen vessels." 2 Corinthians 4:7

John 17:1-26
[14] I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
[15] I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
[16] They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
[17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

John.3[6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again [of God's Holy Spirit].
Romans 8:8-9

John 14[2] In my Father's house [who is Jesus] are many mansions*: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
[3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that WHERE I am, THERE ye may be also.
[4] And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
John 3[3] Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see [perceive] the kingdom of God.
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

* Note: Matthew 12:43-45, Luke 11:17-26

 

[Episkopos]

Those "mansions" are abiding places in Zion for right now...not for a future afterlife. The Greek for "mansions" is the same as abiding.

Jesus said "abide in Me"....was that for a future time? We are to bear fruit now...not later. Only those who occupy the "mansions" at this present time bear an eternal fruit. If we don't bear such fruit we run the possibility of being cut-off.

If the truth were known it would produce the kind of fear of the Lord associated with wisdom.


John 15:2 "Every branch in me that bears not fruit he takes away: and every branch that bears fruit, he purges it, that it may bring forth more fruit."

John 15:4 "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me."

We are to go to God....to seek His face and approval...to be permitted entry into Christ...into His kingdom life and walk. From there we abide in Christ. From there we bear an everlasting fruit. The race of faith requires more than one step.

John 15:2 speaks of a corporate entry into Christ.

John 15:4 speaks of a personal entry into Christ. The first requires a purging of the outer man (on the cross) in order to be free to walk in resurrection life.

There is a fruit of righteousness and a fruit of holiness. Unless we are purged from our outer man we cannot bear fruit unto holiness. And without holiness none shall see the Lord.

 

[Earburner]

There is a fruit of righteousness and a fruit of holiness. Unless we are purged from our outer man we cannot bear fruit unto holiness. And without holiness none shall see the Lord.

I agree.
All of which is the fruit of the Holy Spirit, which is the Character of God, being His Righteousness, and not that of our own form of righteousness.
Galatians 5:22-25.

 

[Earburner]

Those "mansions" are abiding places in Zion for right now...not for a future afterlife. The Greek for "mansions" is the same as abiding.

I don't think that you are totally grasping what I have said.
Jesus is the "Father's House", and we ourselves, who are born again of God, are the mansions of His dwelling place, having now His Righteousness abiding within us.
It's not about us, but rather Him, and where He desires to dwell.
Edit:
Luke 11:25, compare the word "garnished" with "mansions" and "dwelling".
In that verse, what was it that was "garnished"?
Who did the garnishing, but no One was yet dwelling within, whereby the evil spirits could re-enter.

Note: the "strong man" is satan, but Jesus is the "stronger".

 

[MatthewG]

The Fathers House, has many mansions.

I believe this is talking about spiritual bodies being in the heavenly realm? Not actual literal mansions, it would have to have some type of spiritual application.

I could be wrong though.

 

[Earburner]

The Fathers House, has many mansions.

I believe this is talking about spiritual bodies being in the heavenly realm? Not actual literal mansions, it would have to have some type of spiritual application.

I could be wrong though.

Actually, you are quite close as to what I am saying, in the context of the scriptures I had listed.

I will now be more direct in what is being revealed.
Originally, through Adam, each and everyone of us are created by God for His indwelling. Unfortunately, that future for us (plan A) was hijacked by satan through deception. Therefore, God knowing that this would be the case, He already had plan B ready to be acted upon by His Son.
Now that Jesus has come, and paid for our restoration back to God through His shed blood, all are invited to come to God through faith in Jesus.

So, what does God Himself desire? What does He want to do with the "earthen vessels" that He has made, that come to Him through Jesus?
He wants to live in them for ever with His Righteousness.

Jesus, His only begotten Son, was the First one to be a literal House of God, and since then, many of us, are the "mansions" who have followed Him in the New birth, and are abiding/dwelling in Him, and He in us.
We all, who are of faith in Jesus, are the mansions in the House of God, who is Jesus.
The very place where God desires to dwell, is in His Son's New immortal life, and also in the people who come to Him through Jesus.

Do you dare to think it?
Quite literally, we are the New earth, and Jesus is the New Heaven in which God desires to dwell.
Jesus, by His becoming a mortal man, died, was buried, and then resurrected into His New Life as an immortal New creature/creation.
Through faith in Him, He promises the same to us.

The analogy is before us:
All who were physically born being descendants through the flesh of David, are the inheritors of "the House of David".
All we who are spiritually Born again of God through the Spirit of Jesus, are inheritors of "the House of God" through Jesus. Quite literally, Jesus is the "Head" of His House, which is the church, aka the Temple (House) of God.
Romans 8:8-9. Revelation 3:20.

 

[Earburner]

Jesus showed us the ability of His New resurrected life/body when He appeared in the midst of the room, when earlier the disciples had already shut the door for fear of the Jews.
And then later, with many witnesses, Jesus bodily Ascended into heaven, to be on the right side of the Father.

Since that day, being 2000+/- years ago, Jesus has had no need of this global earth, or any other earth like it to sustain Him. So then,....why do we think that we will need a new global earth, when we shall be resurrected into the immortality of His likeness?

As Christians, we should remember that we have numerous specific truths from God, as to HOW He spiritually thinks about His own words and His interpretation of them. Therefore, our faith should not stand in or according to the way OUR human minds think. For all, who are Born again of His Holy Spirit, we truly ARE NEW creatures, a New creation.

By His Holy Spirit, we receive the things of God, so that we might be partakers of His divine nature.
2Pet.1[4] Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Isaiah 55:8-9
Zechariah 4:6
John 6:63
John 16:13
1 Corinthians 2:5, 14-16

 

[Earburner]

Now, let's look at WHERE Jesus was AFTER He Ascended, to be at the right hand of God.
Acts 7[55] But he [Stephen], being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
[56] And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
But then there is also this testimony:
Acts 9[3] And as he [Saul/Paul] journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
[4] And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
[5] And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Really?? Stephen sees Jesus in Heaven at the right hand of God, but then Saul/Paul, while on the road to Damascus, sees a light all around himself, and then literally has a conversation with Jesus.
So then, is Jesus literally at the right hand of God, or are we to understand it to be figurative, as in spiritually speaking?

Now here is the revealing question:
By Jesus' words, how did Jesus, who is at the right hand of God the Father, know that He Himself was being persecuted?
Ans. By His Holy Spirit that is within the "earthen vessels [bodies]" of His people.

But wait a minute, isn't Jesus now standing at the right hand of God in Heaven? Stephen saw Him there, correct?
But then again, Paul had a real conversation with Jesus on that road to Damascus. So where exactly is Jesus?
Ans. He tells us plainly in John.14[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Rev.3[20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

So now that we know WHERE Jesus and God the Father desire to abide/dwell, we can also know WHO the New earth is and shall be. It is we, who are the New creatures [creation] of "earthen vessels", but who are not yet glorified.
2Thes.1[10] When he shall come to be glorified IN his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

 

[Taken]

The Fathers House, has many mansions.

I believe this is talking about spiritual bodies being in the heavenly realm? Not actual literal mansions, it would have to have some type of spiritual application.

I could be wrong though.

I believe it is both...Gods Spirit IN the Converted, The Converted IN Jesus risen body, His Spirit IN the man....applies to a still flesh mortal man ON Earth.

Also, “a mansion” IN Heaven, for departed saved living souls, reveals their place IN Heaven is prepared, for the day their physical body dies, is buried, and their living saved soul is escorted to Heaven to the “mansion” expressly prepared for them.

 

[Earburner]

John 14[2] In my Father's house [who is Jesus] are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
[3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that WHERE I am, THERE ye may be also.

WHERE is Jesus now?
He is at the right hand of the Father, and in every born again believer
He who is eternal Himself came from Heaven, and did so in the form of a mortal man, in our likeness, but without sin. By His resurrection, He has now been restored to the glory He once had with the Father.
John.17[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
[22] And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
What did Jesus GIVE to us, that is the glory of the Father?
Ans. The glory of Himself, which is now the Person(s) of the Holy Spirit of God.
Literally, we have been made to be partakers of the glory of the God head (the divine nature), which is both God the Father and God the Son.
John.14[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him. Revelation 3:20.

John 14:3....I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that WHERE I am, THERE ye may be also.
Spiritually speaking, Jesus IS WITH His Father, and NOW, they both are within the Born again believer, aka the Holy Spirit of God.

"Are we THERE yet?"
Spiritually speaking, we have only taken part in "the First Resurrection", who is Jesus, the Firstborn from the dead. Revelation 20:6
OUR salvation and redemption is a two fold process.
In order for any of us to be bodily resurrected into Christ's likeness of His immortality, we first must be spiritually born again of His Holy Spirit. Romans 8:8-9.

So then, for all of us who are born again, we DO HAVE God's down payment (deposit) of the Gift of His Eternal life**, and therefore by faith, we are still patiently waiting for the fulness of our redemption, by Jesus' Glorious and sudden return from Heaven, to be received by Him, so that we CAN BE......WHERE He is!!
We ARE the New earth in process!

** Note: 1 John 5[13] These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye HAVE eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

[MatthewG]

Sounds like a Revelation to me, Earburner.

Created from dust of the earth, we are the now the new earth the seed enters and starts to grow which deals with everything spiritually, awaiting for the spiritual arrival of the day when we die, we move forward, with instant judgment and go on to be with God, as long as we make the choice to walk in the Light, walking with the Lord Jesus Christ, walking with God and not walking in the darkness, crucified to our old life and looking forward to hope, in faith, and having love towards any all we come across and meet.

 

[Earburner]

To further expound upon the concept of we ourselves being "the New Earth", let us not forget Isaiah 55:8-9.
By understanding that "Jesus' words are spirit", we can rightly discern the meaning of His Mind, that is within all Born Again Christians.
"We have the Mind of Christ", which is His thoughts and His ways, and NOT that which is of our own minds.
One such message to us, that is from HIS mind, is often confused by our minds, thus forming a wrong conclusion for understanding. That message is the parable of "The pearl of great price".
Matt.13[45] Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
[46] Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
Basicslly, there only two conclusions that can be reached for God's understanding in this parable. And of course, only one is correct.
Those conclusions are either:
1. Jesus is the pearl of great price.
2. We are the pearls of great price.
When one perceives who the merchant man is, that sold all that he had, they will reach the correct conclusion.

Edit: so that you can see that the words "merchant man" are synonymous with the words "the kingdom of heaven", let's look at Matt.11[12] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Who was it that was taken by force?
Ans. Both John the Baptist and Jesus.

 

[Earburner]

Sounds like a Revelation to me, Earburner.

Created from dust of the earth, we are the now the new earth the seed enters and starts to grow which deals with everything spiritually, awaiting for the spiritual arrival of the day when we die, we move forward, with instant judgment and go on to be with God, as long as we make the choice to walk in the Light, walking with the Lord Jesus Christ, walking with God and not walking in the darkness, crucified to our old life and looking forward to hope, in faith, and having love towards any all we come across and meet.

Amen! You are seeing and perceiving the scriptures with the Mind/Spirit of Christ!

 

[Earburner]

Through the mind of Christ, and not our own understanding, let's continue in His knowledge of how it is that because of our faith in Jesus, we are now made to be the many [garnished]* mansions in God's House, who is Jesus.

John 8
[34] Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
> let's be truthful and honest with both God
and ourselves, we ARE THE servants of sin.

[35] And the servant [you and I] abideth not in the house [our bodies, the house of/for God] for ever: but [only] the Son abideth [within us, God's house for] ever.
> Iow's, You and I, apart from Jesus, cannot abide in this body of flesh forever by ourselves, BUT by having Jesus within us, we can.
[36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Therefore, through faith,
2 Cor. 4
[7] But we have this [His] treasure [of Himself] in [our] earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

So then, to be in Jesus, is to be in God's house, who is Jesus. We are become members of HIS Body, which IS God's house.

Edit #1:
Here is something more to think on:
When Jesus was resurrected into His New life of immortality, did that miracle originate from within to the outward, or did it originate from without, to the inward.
How you answer, will reveal to you of how you think God is now dwelling with you. John 14:23, Revelation 3:20.
Do you think that God the Father and God the Son desire to live ON a New global earth with us, or is it
that they desire to live withIN US, as being His New creatures, altogether immortal AS THE New Eternally living earth?

* Edit #2:
"Garnished"- Strongs G2885- to put in proper order;
to decorate.
Matthew 12:43-45, Luke 11:22-26.