"The Meek shall inherit the EARTH!" - JESUS

[Jun2u]

Revelation 21:4-5 KJV
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. [5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

God did say the former things are passed away. He also said that he will make all things new. That is, old things are made new. Not replaced. So for lack of a better term, for now I like the refurbished terminology.

I really have a hard time believing that folks believe this earth will disappear and God is going to start from scratch. Joel doesn't teach that. Neither dis Peter or John.

The problem with man is he tries to change the meaning of a word or phrase to suit his beliefs, instead of searching the whole Bible, how else God uses the particular word or phrase elsewhere in Scriptures.

And, most importantly, His word is to be obeyed!

The word “make” is validated only when we understand the meaning of the word “create” in Genesis 1:1 as we read: “In the beginning, God “created” the heaven and the earth.” The Bible could have read, “In the beginning, God “made” the heaven and the earth,” but it didn’t, the words “made” or “create” are interchangeable.. And, therefore, the meaning of Genesis 1:1 will NOT have changed!

So, when God says, “the former things are passed away, and behold, I make all things new,” He meant it literally. In fact, He brings home the point and tells John Write: for these words are true and faithful.

For example, let’s say you have a daughter 12 or 13 years old and asks you for a new bike because hers’ is sitting in the garage old and run down. Will you take that bike, refurbish it to look like new and give it to her? What do you suppose she will say or think?

Likewise, God will not allow His children to live in this present corrupt earth, but will build a better world, where He will wipe away all tears from their eyes, no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying,, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Glory, alleluia what an awesome God we serve!

To God Be The Glory

 

[Jay Ross]

The problem with man is he tries to change the meaning of a word or phrase to suit his beliefs, instead of searching the whole Bible, how else God uses the particular word or phrase elsewhere in Scriptures.

And, most importantly, His word is to be obeyed!

The word “make” is validated only when we understand the meaning of the word “create” in Genesis 1:1 as we read: “In the beginning, God “created” the heaven and the earth.” The Bible could have read, “In the beginning, God “made” the heaven and the earth,” but it didn’t, the words “made” or “create” are interchangeable.. And, therefore, the meaning of Genesis 1:1 will NOT have changed!

So, when God says, “the former things are passed away, and behold, I make all things new,” He meant it literally. In fact, He brings home the point and tells John Write: for these words are true and faithful.

For example, let’s say you have a daughter 12 or 13 years old and asks you for a new bike because hers’ is sitting in the garage old and run down. Will you take that bike, refurbish it to look like new and give it to her? What do you suppose she will say or think?

Likewise, God will not allow His children to live in this present corrupt earth, but will build a better world, where He will wipe away all tears from their eyes, no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying,, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Glory, alleluia what an awesome God we serve!

To God Be The Glory

A wise parent, would use the task of refurbishing the existing bike as a learning experience for their daughter. If she helps to rebuild the bike, then she will appreciate the bike more than just giving her a new one. Spending quality time with dad, refurbishing the bike will be of more value to the daughter than a new bike.

I wonder if we, the righteous, will help to refurbish the earth. Is there not a passage of scripture which speaks of us properly burying the bodies of those who died during the great tribulation and the ensuing battle.

 

[amadeus]

Mr. A- that IS the point I am defending.
It looks like YOU don't understand what Churchianity TEACHES.....

Well I suppose I don't because I haven't really been there other than my time in the Catholic Church which was well over 50 years ago. What you call "Churchianity" is what a small group of people I know call Babylon. Why Babylon? Because they are confused in their understanding as were the languages of the people were confused at the Tower of Babel. But... having said that while I associate with this small group I do not see eye to eye with them on every point. Everyone with less than the entire Truth of God is in a measure confused. That would of course include me and probably you as well.

While for in a large part I do not go along with this probably overwhelming majority that you speak of as "Churchianity" and this other small group calls Babylon , I am also certain that among them are people whose hearts are turned toward God. To argue to strongly that I am the one that has it right and they have it wrong is putting myself with Elijah when he told God that he, Elijah, was the only one. Elijah was wrong and if I were to speak similar words as if I was something which I am not, I also would be wrong.

The good thing is that I have not stopped growing and God is still working on me. The following words of John the Baptist are words that each of us should be applying continuously to ourselves:

"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

 

[Jun2u]

A wise parent, would use the task of refurbishing the existing bike as a learning experience for their daughter. If she helps to rebuild the bike, then she will appreciate the bike more than just giving her a new one. Spending quality time with dad, refurbishing the bike will be of more value to the daughter than a new bike.

I wonder if we, the righteous, will help to refurbish the earth. Is there not a passage of scripture which speaks of us properly burying the bodies of those who died during the great tribulation and the ensuing battle.

Apparently, you did not get the thrust of my between the father and daughter example. I was not speaking about setting up an example of gratitude, rather how any ungrateful person (in this case, the daughter) would react.

The Great Tribulation is the Abomination of Desolation spoken of in Matthew 24 and by Daniel the prophet, which is spiritual in character.

Also…

The ensuing battle you speak of is between the forces of Jesus against the forces of Satan which began in Genesis 3.

Can you give me the passage of scripture which “speaks of us properly burying the bodies of those who died during the great tribulation and the ensuing battle?”

As far as I can tell, scriptures contradicts to what you’ve alluded to above.

Revelation 8, 9, and 11 reads:
8 And their bodies shall lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

To God Be The Glory

 

[FHII]

As far as I can tell, scriptures contradicts to what you’ve alluded to above.

Revelation 8, 9, and 11 reads:
8 And their bodies shall lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them

Small note... I believe you meant chapter 11.

 

[Jun2u]

Small note... I believe you meant chapter 11.

Thank you for catching the error. It is not a small note but a huge mistake!

 

[lforrest]

CHURCHianity teaches all good people go to heaven

There was one good person, and he went to heaven. So yeah that's right.

 

[FHII]

Thank you for catching the error. It is not a small note but a huge mistake!

The mistake is that this is talking about the two witnesses... Not a multitude.

I think the scripture Jay Ross is speaking of is in Eze 39. This is a slaughter of Gog and Magog. Others are involved. It ties into Revelation 20.

 

[theQuestion]

There was one good person, and he went to heaven. So yeah that's right.

The others AGAIN deny what Jesus said, and conjure up ridiculous stories.
Thus their posts are just pathetic.

 

[theQuestion]

I guess us JWs are too stupid since we actually BELIEVE what Jesus said, instead of believing the churches, as you do....

 

[theQuestion]

So, when God says, “the former things are passed away, and behold, I make all things new,” He meant it literally.

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So, your Triune Lords LITERALLY DESTROY Heaven, moving Themselves and all the angels elsewhere, while They make a Literally NEW one- and move then all back in? You are guilty of the mistake you are warning OTHERS about~

God did NOT say " LOOK! I am making ALL NEW THINGS!"
That is YOU and your CHURCH.
EVERY Translations reads: " LOOK! I am making ALL things NEW!"
He can and WILL remove any flaws man has brought about to the Planet He made for them!

 

[theQuestion]

Amadaeus- I have NO idea what you are talking about.
I have been meeting with and having discussions with clergy of all sorts, church people of all sorts; have been on talk radio for years, and have had deep discussion with ROOMS FULL of church people, and also have had many Bible Studies- for over 3 DECADES, as well as going door to door preaching.

I understand what he believes better than HE does.
When one starts denying scriptures , in support of church porn, it ends the discussion - for ME.

 

[amadeus]

Amadaeus- I have NO idea what you are talking about.
I have been meeting with and having discussions with clergy of all sorts, church people of all sorts; have been on talk radio for years, and have had deep discussion with ROOMS FULL of church people, and also have had many Bible Studies- for over 3 DECADES, as well as going door to door preaching.

I understand what he believes better than HE does.
When one starts denying scriptures , in support of church porn, it ends the discussion - for ME.

You are talking about them and us. The problems with them while we remain double minded in any measure are likely also the problems with us.

Who is confused? We should know that God is not. In the measure that we really know God, we are not. However, how well do we really know Him? Perhaps our answer to that question is the reason for any confusion that remains and why must follow rather than attempt to lead.

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23
"O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!" Psalm 119:5
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

 

[ScottA]

Perhaps what was written by Ezekiel in Ezekiel 47:1-12 is just the thoughts of man then?

I guess I missed your comment...

Word pictures are all we have, it doesn't prove anything, except that our thoughts are lower than God's. So, yes, that is exactly right, Ezekiel spoke of the new heavens and new earth using worldly imagery. Do you not know that "all things come in parables?"

Look...the bottom line here, is that the entire creation is a revelation, not of what is or shall be, but simply a created revelation, which God Himself refers to as "light" and "power" and "nothing" and an "image"...and a complete "parable." And whoever loves it more than the real and greater things of God...is certainly welcome to believe in it. I too love created things - but they are not even real.

This earth does not abide forever, any more than this flesh does.

 

[Jun2u]

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So, your Triune Lords LITERALLY DESTROY Heaven, moving Themselves and all the angels elsewhere, while They make a Literally NEW one- and move then all back in? You are guilty of the mistake you are warning OTHERS about~

God did NOT say " LOOK! I am making ALL NEW THINGS!"
That is YOU and your CHURCH.
EVERY Translations reads: " LOOK! I am making ALL things NEW!"
He can and WILL remove any flaws man has brought about to the Planet He made for them!

Firstly, the Bible is replete with evidence that God is one and subsists in three distinct persons as the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit!

Already, in the beginning, we see the word God is the plural Hebrew word "Elohim." Genesis 1:1.


Secondly, contrary to what you've alluded to, God said He will create a New Heaven and a New Earth.

2 Peter 3:10-12 reads:

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burnt up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat!

To God Be The Glory