the mystery of God...as in scramble it

[goforit/leap]

Revelation was not given to us in the same order as John experienced it!

John had to take the visions and turn them into a "mystery". When the 7th trumpet
sounds...this mystery of God will end.

seal not the sayings of this book/
as in, don't hide the order for the last part of Revelation

Seal not the messages revealed in the little book that John had seen!

 

[ewq1938]

seal not the sayings of this book/
as in, don't hide the order for the last part of Revelation

Doesn't sound the same to me at all.

 

[David in NJ]

Revelation was not given to us in the same order as John experienced it!

John had to take the visions and turn them into a "mystery". When the 7th trumpet
sounds...this mystery of God will end.

seal not the sayings of this book/
as in, don't hide the order for the last part of Revelation

Seal not the messages revealed in the little book that John had seen!

You said: "John had to take the visions and turn them into a "mystery"."

John did nothing of the sort of which you claim!

 

[goforit/leap]

The end of Revelation 11 does not fit
if you try to link it with the start of chapter 12.

Revelation 12 is where John sees a great
wonder/sign, then another sign and more.

To understand Revelation, read Ezekiel 7 and 9. They tell of a time of four corners
and a setting of a mark. After those people were marked for protection, that
being reported to God.

 

[goforit/leap]

The trumpet plagues are divided up into
those for the earth, sea, trees, just as shown in Rev. 7.

ways to hurt
earth, sea
and then John saw the one angel speak to the four angels. This angel gives the trees plague to the set of four angels.

 

[goforit/leap]

John saw what in Rev. 8?

the seven angels

What seven?

which stood before God

When had they done that?

Doesn't say...stand.

They stood before God back earlier in Rev. 7, then later in that chapter all the
angels stood.

The ones that seal the 144,000 are the
same angels that announce the number
amounts of the sealed.

 

[goforit/leap]

Look at the way John describes an angel
that he sees in Rev. 21.

He is identifying him by a past action he
already did.

 

[quietthinker]

the mystery of God...as in scramble it​

that's like stating virginity and rape are synonymous.

 

[goforit/leap]

Rev. 21

21:1 "And I saw a new heaven...new earth..."

Watch John identify a specific angel to us, but not then the action taking place!

21:9
"And...one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full..."
The vials are a long done ago event! They are not full at this point
on the timeline of the new earth.
This angel once had a full vial and poured it out.
He also once sounded a trumpet.
He also once stood before God.
He also once helped seal the 144,000.
He also once gave a time of plagues to the set of four angels.
He also had been among the group that ascended from the
east in Rev. 7, and more!

 

[goforit/leap]

Rev. 8:1
"And the first angel sounded...."
"...cast upon the earth..."
This is action of the set of four angels that had been
delivered the trumpet plagues when the set of seven angels
came from the east in Rev. 7.

Rev. 8:8
"And the second angel sounded,...was cast into the sea..."

Again, we find harms being done by the set of four angels.
Ways were given to them in Rev. 7 - to harm.

7:2
"...to hurt the earth and the sea,"

 

[goforit/leap]

Watch how the scene unfolds in Rev. 7.

7:1
"And after these things I saw four angels standing..."
"And..another angel ascending from the east...he cried with
a loud voice to the four angels..."

So we have on the scene - four angels as a group
and - an unknown number that have come from the east.
Then read the part as to the four angels have been given
ways to hurt- the earth and the sea.
But once the speaking angel arises from the east - soon the four
angels that stand now have gained the way to also harm the trees.
This is because the speaking angel is one of the seven angels and
he carried with him the plague to harm the trees. He handed the trees
plague off to the set of four standing angels.

Compare this to the way things unfolded in Ezekiel 7.

Ezekiel 7:2
"Also...unto the land of Israel...upon the four corners of the land."

Rev. 7 -/ four corners of the earth is where the scene begins

7:24
"Wherefore I will bring the worst of the heathen..."

 

[goforit/leap]

What happens in Rev. 8 before the angels prepare themselves to sound?
We find a verse as to voices, thunderings, lightnings...and it lists an earthquake.

What do we see at the end of Rev. 11?

lightnings, voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail

Next up should be the seven angels ready to begin to pour out the
seven vials full of the wrath of God.

 

[Zao is life]

John saw what in Rev. 8?

the seven angels

What seven?

which stood before God

When had they done that?

Doesn't say...stand.

They stood before God back earlier in Rev. 7, then later in that chapter all the
angels stood.

The ones that seal the 144,000 are the
same angels that announce the number
amounts of the sealed.

The seven angels are first introduced way back in Rev 1:20. This is why they are called "the" seven angels in Rev 8:2. Because we already know about them if we read Rev 1:20.

 

[Jay Ross]

Revelation was not given to us in the same order as John experienced it!

John had to take the visions and turn them into a "mystery". When the 7th trumpet
sounds...this mystery of God will end.

seal not the sayings of this book/
as in, don't hide the order for the last part of Revelation

Seal not the messages revealed in the little book that John had seen!

It seems to me that your have made some very bold claims concerning the Book of Revelation.

For me, Revelation can be broken up into topics, presented in no specific order, where the topic can span the breadth in time of the seventh age and in Rev 16, the time span is much greater as it now reaches back into man's past history all of the way to the acts just before the final judgement.

For me, words have meaning and unfortunately our translators have confused the Greek Word "seismos" which actually has the meaning of "turmoil" in our English and not 'earthquakes" as the translators have translated this Greek word into English whereas the meaning of the Greek word "seió" is more representative of an earthquake. The Greek word "seismos" is found in Matt 8:24 where it is describing the turmoil in the sea, where the waves were rising up as standing wave and in danger of flooding the boat such that it would sink.

Christ in response to the fear of the disciples of the turmoil in the waves commanded the wind, which was causing the size of the wave to grow, to cease, thereby removing the driving force in the creation of the waves in the lake. If the translators had been consistent in their translation in Matt 8:24 then they should have used the word "earthquake," to describe what was occurring in this case as well.


From my examination of this work as used in the New Testament, I believe that it would be better to use the English word "turmoil" to describe what was occurring when it was used. How does an Angel, descending from heaven to roll away the stone over the entrance of the tomb, cause an earthquake as he descends, However, there was great turmoil among the guard when they saw the angel descending and in their fear at what they were seeing, they ran away from guarding the tomb. In Matt 8:24 how can you have an earthquake in a body of water.

Your OP premise, from my understanding, does not line up contextually with what has been conveyed to us by John in the book of Revelation.