The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever

[BreadOfLife]

Nope, you didn't sink it by a long shot....to do that, you would have to destroy specific scriptures in the Bible that teach the doctrine, or cut them out of your Bible (but keep Revelation 22:19 in mind).

Like I said - you can cherry-pick verses ALL day long to arrive at your perverted doctrines.
The problem is that when you read them in CONTEXT with the rest of Scripture - they don't fit your views.

If the fear of the LORD be in our hearts, we will be faithful and will not depart from Him (Jeremiah 32:38-40, Psalms 19:9).

Absolutely - I couldn't agree more.

The problem is that when we stumble in sin - we forget our fear of the Lord for that moment.
That's WHY we sin

I did not specifically state that you worship the Pope. It was a statement that as long as you worship the Pope (if you were to do so), and/or consider that the Cross of Christ isn't all-sufficient, your soul is in mortal danger.

It was an if-then statement; and not an absolute statement saying that you specifically worship the Pope..."as long as"...

But you are out to condemn and I'm certain that you cannot see that.

But I notice that you said nothing about the other thing that I laid before you as something you might do as a Catholic that would put your soul in mortal danger...and that is, holding Mary as co-redemptress so that you do not hold the blood of Jesus to be all-sufficient. And what I have said by my statement is that either one of these beliefs/practices would put your soul in mortal danger.

But because you protested against one and did not protest against the other, I assume that you hold to the concept of Mary as co-redemptress...and I say to you verily that this puts your soul in mortal danger...just as your soul would be in mortal danger if you worshiped the Pope.

And we DON'T worship the Pope or ANYBODY else but God - your false accusations notwithstanding . . .

As for the Mary/"Co-Redemptrix" issue - that's NOT am official doctrine of the Church. However, if it were - I would have NO problem with it because I understand the Scriptures AND the linguistics behind that title. We are ALL called to be co-redemptors.
Paul speaks of this in Col. 1:24:
Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church.

When we suffer FOR Christ - we are suffering WITH Christ - and we join our suffering with HIS for the sake of the Church.
This is why Paul refers to us as "Sunergos" (Co-Workers) with God (1 Cor. 3:9, 2 Cor. 6:1).

"Co" Redemptrix doesn't mean that Mary is an equal partner with Christ. The Latin prefix "Co" simply means "WITH". - as Paul states:
Romans 8:17
"... and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer WITH Him so that we may also be glorified with Him

YOUR problem is that you don't do your homework - and instead, proliferate anti-Catholic lies because you refuse to discover that they ARE lies.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The priest is miserable. He has tendencies that are like any other man. He is unscripturally neutered by his Pope.
He only wonders what family life must be. Poor man.

No - YOU would be miserable because you're obsessed with sex.
I know MANY priests who are happy and satisfied with their lives and consider celibacy as a "gift" - not a "curse" like YOU do.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus did not get folks drunk per the Hab 2 curse.
Jesus was not a smoker either.
Too bad the priest does not emulate Jesus, huh?

Never said that Jesus got "drunk" - but he DID drink alcohol.
He even MADE alcohol at the Wedding at Cana.

So, tell me - HOW is making AND drinking alcohol not a sin - but smoking a cigar IS . . .
I can't WAIT to read your hypocritical answer . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, Jesus put away sin and the priest digs it up.
The priest is really an investigator of put away sins.

Hey - it's not my fault OR the Priest's for that matter, if YOU don't understand the Scriptures.
I pretty much destroyed your impotent argument in my last post.

Here it is again for your edification . . .

THIS is what it says in context:
Heb. 9:24-26
For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

NOW – compare this with the following words from just TWO chapters before:
Heb. 7:25
Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since HE ALWAYS LIVES TO MAKE INTERCESSION FOR THEM.

Rev. 13:8 reminds us – as does Heb. 7:25 tells us that Christ’s sacrifice is ETERNAL.
Heb 9:24 is simply making the case that He doesn’t DIE over and over. His sacrifice - and intercession is FOREVER.

Game.
Set.
MATCH.

 

[Truther]

Hey - it's not my fault OR the Priest's for that matter, if YOU don't understand the Scriptures.
I pretty much destroyed your impotent argument in my last post.

Here it is again for your edification . . .

THIS is what it says in context:
Heb. 9:24-26
For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

NOW – compare this with the following words from just TWO chapters before:
Heb. 7:25
Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since HE ALWAYS LIVES TO MAKE INTERCESSION FOR THEM.

Rev. 13:8 reminds us – as does Heb. 7:25 tells us that Christ’s sacrifice is ETERNAL.
Heb 9:24 is simply making the case that He doesn’t DIE over and over. His sacrifice - and intercession is FOREVER.

Game.
Set.
MATCH.

No, Jesus put away sins.
Water baptism in the name of Jesus is for the remission of sins.
This is for all sins, as long as we repent...
The Bible teaches one mediator(confessor etc) between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.

The RCC teaches 2 mediators between God and man, the priest and the man Christ Jesus.

Why did the RCC add another mediator, replacing our savior as our confessor?

 

[Truther]

Never said that Jesus got "drunk" - but he DID drink alcohol.
He even MADE alcohol at the Wedding at Cana.

So, tell me - HOW is making AND drinking alcohol not a sin - but smoking a cigar IS . . .
I can't WAIT to read your hypocritical answer . . .

Easy, Paul said "walk in the Spirit".
The RCC says "walk under the influence of spirits and tobacco".
This is because the RCC does not teach us to get the baptism of the Holy Ghost as per Acts 2.
They teach us that carnality is kosher.

 

[Truther]

No - YOU would be miserable because you're obsessed with sex.
I know MANY priests who are happy and satisfied with their lives and consider celibacy as a "gift" - not a "curse" like YOU do.

.....as they are visiting rehab and facing ghastly thoughts in their minds.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, Jesus put away sins.
Water baptism in the name of Jesus is for the remission of sins.
This is for all sins, as long as we repent...
The Bible teaches one mediator(confessor etc) between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.

The RCC teaches 2 mediators between God and man, the priest and the man Christ Jesus.

Why did the RCC add another mediator, replacing our savior as our confessor?

The Church didn't "add" anybody.
Jesus gave them the power to forgive sins in (John 20:21-23).

Do me a favor, because you keep bringing this up:
Exegete John 20:21-23.

Let's see what your conclusion is . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Easy, Paul said "walk in the Spirit".
The RCC says "walk under the influence of spirits and tobacco".
This is because the RCC does not teach us to get the baptism of the Holy Ghost as per Acts 2.
They teach us that carnality is kosher.

Really?

Can you show me that Catholic teaching from the Catechism?
OR, are you simply lying again because you are losing the argument??

I think the latter is true . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

.....as they are visiting rehab and facing ghastly thoughts in their minds.

Funny - I don't personally know ONE priest who is in "rehab".

However - your post speaks VOLUMES about your perversions . . .

 

[Truther]

Funny - I don't personally know ONE p[roiest who is in "rehab".

However - your post speaks VOLUMES about your perversions . . .

Open your eyes. The RCC has a massive rehabilitation system for priests.

Not one?

Lol

 

[Truther]

Really?

Can you show me that Catholic teaching from the Catechism?
OR, are you simply lying again because you are losing the argument??

I think the latter is true . . .

I teach walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh.


The RCC teaches drinking and smoking is okay for walking in the Spirit.

Wrong Spirit

 

[Truther]

The Church didn't "add" anybody.
Jesus gave them the power to forgive sins in (John 20:21-23).

Do me a favor, because you keep bringing this up:
Exegete John 20:21-23.

Let's see what your conclusion is . . .

No, they were given power to remit sins.

This first case of remission of sins is found in Acts 2:38, not in a confessional booth.

Question, when did this change occur?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Open your eyes. The RCC has a massive rehabilitation system for priests.

Not one?

Lol

Nope.
I don't know of one personally - and I know A LOT of priests.

Perhaps you can give me the name of this "massive rehabilitation system" or some of its locations.
CAN you do that - or are you finally just going to admit that you're lying?

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, they were given power to remit sins.

This first case of remission of sins is found in Acts 2:38, not in a confessional booth.

Question, when did this change occur?

Ummmmmm, "remit" and "forgive" mean the SAME thing, Einstein . . .

In John 20:21-23, Jesus (who is God) breathes on the Apostles as he is giving them the power to FORGIVE sins:
(Jesus) said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you."
And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU FORGIVE are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU RETAIN are retained."

The fact that Jesus breathed on the Apostles when entrusted them with this ministry is highly significant because he doesn’t do this anywhere else in the New Testament. In fact, there are only two times in ALL of Scripture where God breathes on man:

The first is when he breathed life into Adam.
The second is here in John’s Gospel when he is giving them the power to forgive or retain sins.

Finally - my linguistigally-bankrupt friend - the Greek word used in this passage for "forgive" is the SAME word we see all over the NT about the forgiveness of sins, "Aphiemi".
This word means:
To send away, forgive, to send forth, yield up, to expire, to let go, give up a debt, to remit.

Now - please properly exegete John 20:21-23 in context . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I teach walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
The RCC teaches drinking and smoking is okay for walking in the Spirit.

Wrong Spirit

And you STILL haven't shown me how Christ making booze AND drinking it wasn't sinful - but a Catholic priest having a cigar IS sinful.
Gee - I wonder why that is??

Your desperate lies are DEAD in the water . . .

 

[justbyfaith]

The problem is that when we stumble in sin - we forget our fear of the Lord for that moment.

The fear of the LORD endureth for ever, Psalms 19:9.

No - YOU would be miserable because you're obsessed with sex.

I think that his reason for wanting to have been married has to do, not with sex per se, but procreation.

His sacrifice - and intercession is FOREVER.

And if one can lose one's salvation, He would stop interceding for them the moment they lose it...which He doesn't...because salvation cannot be lost once it is truly gained.

Game.
Set.
MATCH.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The fear of the LORD endureth for ever, Psalms 19:9.

This does NOT mean that we don't stumble. Fear of the Lord DOES endure forever - but not in EVERY heart at ALL times.
You need to know how to properly divide Scripture instead of being a cherry-picker.

The following verses are warnings to born again CHRISTIANS not to falll back into a life of willful sin (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Tim. 4:1, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

CONTEXT - always remember to read the Scriptures in CONTEXT . . .

I think that his reason for wanting to have been married has to do, not with sex per se, but procreation.

It's amazing how you can read people's hearts.
MY Bible says that only GOD can do that (1 Kings 8:39).

Maybe you should let him answer . . .

And if one can lose one's salvation, He would stop interceding for them the moment they lose it...which He doesn't...because salvation cannot be lost once it is truly gained.

Tell that to GOD, who issued the following warnings about that very thing . . .
(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Tim. 4:1, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

 

[amadeus]

The priest is miserable. He has tendencies that are like any other man. He is unscripturally neutered by his Pope.

He only wonders what family life must be. Poor man.

You should not generalize on this point. Every man is a man, an individual, including even the Catholic priests of whom I guess you have never personally known one. I have!

While I am not been a practicing Catholic for more than 50 years [for reasons not under discussion here], I still recall very well and favorably through my pre-teen and teenaged years two priests who guided me into God's Way. Many people want to point out the ones who have strayed from God and misled youngsters but there really have been and are some such as the two I remember who really love God.

Without them perhaps God would have found another way for me, but because they were there and available and used by Him, I am here and serving God. I can never deny that. God will feed the hungry by means of those who make themselves available for that purpose.

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6

 

[Helen]

The way I have learned the difference between 'religion' and 'Jesus Christ' is that religion is man's attempt to reach and please God, whereas Jesus is God personally reaching down in His mercy and saving man.

Well said! :) I am going to make a note of that...I like that definition.
The difference between 'a religion' and a living relationship.