The Natural Sheep and Goats

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Timtofly

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Let us establish a few absolutes about this familiar passage before progressing further. This is referring to the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.
  • Christ is coming in final and majestic glory to execute judgment.
  • The Lord only encounters two types of people when He returns.
  • These are both judged at His appearing.
  • One group is portrayed as righteous and is the subject of blessing and reward.
  • The other group is portrayed as wicked and is the subject of God’s wrath and punished.
  • They are before the exact same throne at the exact same time.
  • There is no gap of time in-between the judgment of the righteous and the judgment of the wicked.
  • The good receive eternal life.
  • The bad obtain eternal punishment.
  • There is absolutely no mention of, or allowance made for, a third group.
Now the stuff you make up become absolutes?

Must seem nice to be able to make up absolutes out of thin air.

The word final is not found in Matthew 25.

• Christ's coming is majestic, and He sits on an earthly throne.

• The Lord only encounters one kind of human on earth: Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

• Adam's dead corruptible flesh is judged out of all nations on earth. But only those chosen to come to this judgment, are judged. Many are still left across the earth.

• Out of those called to this judgment Jesus chooses some to be sheep, and the majority remain goats. They all are unrighteousness, until Jesus declares the sheep righteous.

• This is the judgment of Israel as Jerusalem is their capital, and Jesus is an Israelite and King of Israel. They are all being called home out of the nations.

• This is the final judgment of Israel, as Jesus' mission was to gather the lost sheep of Israel. Not all are chosen. Many are called, but few are chosen.

See how easy it is to post absolutes? I even put the word final back in there for you.
 

Timtofly

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Jesus said the weeds and the wheat was a parable. It illustrates the exact same thing in Matt 25.


Matt 13
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend [those things by which people are led into sin], and all who practice evil [leading others into sin], 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping [over sorrow and pain] and grinding of teeth [over distress and anger].

43 Then the righteous [those who seek the will of God] will shine forth [radiating the new life] like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears [to hear], let him hear and heed My words.



Matt 25
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory and majesty and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him [for judgment]; and He will separate them from one another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right [the place of honor], and the goats on His left [the place of rejection].

34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father [you favored of God, appointed to eternal salvation], inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

41 “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Leave Me, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels (demons);




Matt 13 has a series of parables as does Matt 25, like the virgins and the talents.


matt 25
“Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins,

Matt 13

31 He gave them another parable [to consider], saying, “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field; 32 and of all the seeds [planted in the region] it is the smallest, but when it has grown it is the largest of the garden herbs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air find shelter in its branches.”

33 He told them another parable, “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and worked into three measures of flour until all of it was leavened.”

34 All these things Jesus said to the crowds in parables, and He said nothing to them without [using] a parable. 35 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet:

“I will open My mouth in parables;
I will utter things [unknown and unattainable] that have been hidden [from mankind] since the foundation of the world.”

Jesus tells us what we inherit at his coming from the foundation of the world in Matt 25 :31-
Jesus explained the parable of the wheat and tares. We already know that is a prophecy as well about the Second Coming. Matthew 25 has parables in the chapter, but verse 31 is not a parable. You claim the Second Coming is just a parable to make people feel good about themselves, no? Obviously if the goats are not real, then no harm is done to humanity.

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"

This is not a parable. This is a declaration of the Second Coming. Israel is referenced in parables as sheep and goats. That is why we can know Jesus is calling the lost sheep of Israel out of all the nations. Many of them will be rejected as goats. This is after the church has been removed at the moment of the Second Coming. These sheep and goats were literally left behind, so never accepted the gospel. They are all still physically alive, so not a judgment for those physically dead, and physically resurrected. Jesus is choosing them based on works, but not just works. Only Jesus gets to decide who stays in the kingdom and who goes. It is not even up to the sheep and goats. They literally can do nothing at that moment, but hope they are chosen, unless they are staunch atheist, who deny God any way. They will remain happy about God's rejection. Obviously once in the LOF their disposition will probably change or they will just keep rejecting God more for His justice.

But Amil in their narrow minded singular outlook on only one event, cannot fathom the multiple judgments and mercy God has shown and will continue to show towards Adam's dead corruptible flesh. This is not the judgment seat of Christ for good works. This is not the GWT judgment of the dead from sheol and death. This is a harvest of Israel out of the nations, and unfortunately many will still end up as goats and placed into the LOF.
 

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The Scriptures you quote do not support your claims. Where do they teach that the wicked are sheep?

You have no sense nor judgment. You can be taught from Scripture.

What happens to the righteous when Jesus appears? What happens to the wicked when He appears?
The righteous saints meet Him in the air. The unbelievers and unrighteous Christians remain on earth. The armies are destroyed without mercy, and the unrighteous goats are executed. The rest of the righteous by works are left to be ruled by Him with rod of iron.



In Matthew 25:33 Christ (the king) sets “the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.” He then sentences them, and eternally separates them.
Since you include yourself among the nations to be judged, and not one of the righteous saints meeting Him in the air, then you'd best get to work being neighborly for everyone you can. Otherwise, you'll be executed as one of the goats.

However, since you prophecy a christ to come calling fire down out of heaven in your sight, to destroy your enemies, then you will probably be with the armies slaughtered in Judea.

However again, since you refuse to get your hands dirty with your prophesied christ, then you'll probably remain behind among the nations as just another unneighborly goat to be executed.

the climactic assignment of eternal destinies.
I still love it when you talk scholarly. Wrong, but still soooo scholarly.

For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.


There are no ‘nearly saved or ‘semi-saved’ people or ‘nearly lost’ or ‘semi-lost’ people on this day.
Neither was the Samaritan. He was simply a non-disciple of Christ used as good example of neighborliness for His disciples to do likewise.


No one inherits the kingdom through national identity.
True. Neither judged nor condemned. All the nations will be gathered together, that are still left alive on earth, and the sheep among them will be separated from the goats among them. And then all nations will be full of sheep only for the Lord and His resurrected saints to rule over.