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15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,
The potential conceit of doctrinal individuality
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2 Corinthians 11:14-15 Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,
quietthinker
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If I wanted people to burn in Hell FOREVER I would shut up! But I choose to pull 'Christians' out of the fire!
Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,
quietthinker
Well-Known Member
You are not pulling them anywhere. What you promote is horror, not hope.
You promote that which you have yourself.
How do you know?
You will learn. Everybody will learn, now or in Hell.
Hebrews 10:31
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
And what is that?
quietthinker
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Context is yet to be understood by you Jack. If it were not you wouldn't ask the questions you ask and make the statements you make.
Have you ever heard that what you speak about and of becomes your reality?
Exploring the many facets of the issues
of doctrinal unity and individuality.
Issues range from the dictates of religious institutional tyranny on one extreme end of the spectrum,
to freewheeling excesses of biblical interpretation on the other extreme end.
Seeking balance somewhere in the middle.
Another issue that presents itself is: The potential conceit of doctrinal individuality.
This is manifested in a person that thinks they ALONE have the correct biblical interpretation.
Since they believe that God has informed them, there can be no other answer. Right? (wrong)
Typical statements of biblical/doctrinal conceit:
- "Haven't you read the Bible?"
- "God told me..."
- "Who should I believe; you, or God?"
- "God's Word disagrees with you."
Such statements are usually used to win a debate.
Playing "the God card" to end the discussion.
This same conceit plays out in the defense of denominational beliefs as well.
The use of a religious organization as an unquestionable authority in matters of faith and practice.
And one might reply that "The Bible is the unquestionable authority in matters of faith and practice."
Unfortunately, there is no consensus on what the Bible says. What to do, what to do... ???
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of doctrinal unity and individuality.
Issues range from the dictates of religious institutional tyranny on one extreme end of the spectrum,
to freewheeling excesses of biblical interpretation on the other extreme end.
Seeking balance somewhere in the middle.
Another issue that presents itself is: The potential conceit of doctrinal individuality.
This is manifested in a person that thinks they ALONE have the correct biblical interpretation.
Since they believe that God has informed them, there can be no other answer. Right? (wrong)
Typical statements of biblical/doctrinal conceit:
- "Haven't you read the Bible?"
- "God told me..."
- "Who should I believe; you, or God?"
- "God's Word disagrees with you."
Such statements are usually used to win a debate.
Playing "the God card" to end the discussion.
This same conceit plays out in the defense of denominational beliefs as well.
The use of a religious organization as an unquestionable authority in matters of faith and practice.
And one might reply that "The Bible is the unquestionable authority in matters of faith and practice."
Unfortunately, there is no consensus on what the Bible says. What to do, what to do... ???
Related topics:
Unity of the faith - at what cost?
The call for doctrinal unity has gone out across the centuries. Are we there yet? (not by a long shot) Where is the problem? Perhaps it is in the assumption that the unity of the faith is doctrinal unity. - Can there be unity of the faith that overlooks doctrinal differences? - Does the Body...
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Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of doctrinal unity?
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Exploring the many facets of the issues
of doctrinal unity and individuality. Issues range
from the dictates of religious institutional tyranny
on one extreme end of the spectrum, to freewheeling excesses
of biblical interpretation on the other extreme end.
Seeking balance somewhere in the middle.
Another issue that presents itself is:
The potential conceit of doctrinal individuality.
This is manifested in a person that thinks they ALONE
have the correct biblical interpretation. Since they believe
that God has informed them, there can be no other answer.
Right? (wrong)
Typical statements of biblical/doctrinal conceit:
- "Haven't you read the Bible?"
- "God told me..."
- "Who should I believe; you, or God?"
- "God's Word disagrees with you."
Such statements are usually used to win a debate.
Playing "the God card" to end the discussion.
This same conceit plays out in the defense of denominational beliefs as well.
The use of a religious organization as an unquestionable authority in matters of faith and practice.
And one might reply that "The Bible is the unquestionable authority in matters of faith and practice."
Unfortunately, there is no consensus on what the Bible says. What to do, what to do... ???
Related topics:
www.christianityboard.com
www.christianityboard.com
www.christianityboard.com
of doctrinal unity and individuality. Issues range
from the dictates of religious institutional tyranny
on one extreme end of the spectrum, to freewheeling excesses
of biblical interpretation on the other extreme end.
Seeking balance somewhere in the middle.
Another issue that presents itself is:
The potential conceit of doctrinal individuality.
This is manifested in a person that thinks they ALONE
have the correct biblical interpretation. Since they believe
that God has informed them, there can be no other answer.
Right? (wrong)
Typical statements of biblical/doctrinal conceit:
- "Haven't you read the Bible?"
- "God told me..."
- "Who should I believe; you, or God?"
- "God's Word disagrees with you."
Such statements are usually used to win a debate.
Playing "the God card" to end the discussion.
This same conceit plays out in the defense of denominational beliefs as well.
The use of a religious organization as an unquestionable authority in matters of faith and practice.
And one might reply that "The Bible is the unquestionable authority in matters of faith and practice."
Unfortunately, there is no consensus on what the Bible says. What to do, what to do... ???
Related topics:
Unity of the faith - at what cost?
The call for doctrinal unity has gone out across the centuries. Are we there yet? (not by a long shot) Where is the problem? Perhaps it is in the assumption that the unity of the faith is doctrinal unity. - Can there be unity of the faith that overlooks doctrinal differences? - Does the Body...
www.christianityboard.com
Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of doctrinal unity?
This is a follow-up to the previous topic: Unity of the faith - at what cost? Link below. Probably the biggest roadblock to Christian doctrinal unity is holding on to the freedom we have to determine our own beliefs. Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of Christian doctrinal...
www.christianityboard.com
The tyranny of doctrinal unity - "Join or die."
A follow-up to the two previous topics: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/would-you-surrender-your-own-beliefs-in-the-cause-of-doctrinal-unity.56191/ https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/unity-of-the-faith-at-what-cost.56095/ - Do you have the right to allow the Holy Spirit to...
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The potential conceit of doctrinal individuality
Exploring the many facets of the issues of doctrinal unity and individuality.Issues range from the dictates of religious institutional tyranny on one extreme end of the spectrum,
to freewheeling excesses of biblical interpretation on the other extreme end.
Seeking balance somewhere in the middle.
Another issue that presents itself is: The potential conceit of doctrinal individuality.
This is manifested in a person that thinks they ALONE have the correct biblical interpretation.
Since they believe that God has informed them, there can be no other answer. Right? (wrong)
Typical statements of biblical/doctrinal conceit:
- "Haven't you read the Bible?"
- "God told me..."
- "Who should I believe; you, or God?"
- "God's Word disagrees with you."
Such statements are usually used to win a debate.
Playing "the God card" to end the discussion.
This same conceit plays out in the defense of denominational beliefs as well.
The use of a religious organization as an unquestionable authority in matters of faith and practice.
And one might reply that "The Bible is the unquestionable authority in matters of faith and practice."
Unfortunately, there is no consensus on what the Bible says. What to do, what to do... ???
Related topics:
Unity of the faith - at what cost?
The call for doctrinal unity has gone out across the centuries. Are we there yet? (not by a long shot) Where is the problem? Perhaps it is in the assumption that the unity of the faith is doctrinal unity. - Can there be unity of the faith that overlooks doctrinal differences? - Does the Body...
www.christianityboard.com
Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of doctrinal unity?
This is a follow-up to the previous topic: Unity of the faith - at what cost? Link below. Probably the biggest roadblock to Christian doctrinal unity is holding on to the freedom we have to determine our own beliefs. Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of Christian doctrinal...
www.christianityboard.com
The tyranny of doctrinal unity - "Join or die."
A follow-up to the two previous topics: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/would-you-surrender-your-own-beliefs-in-the-cause-of-doctrinal-unity.56191/ https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/unity-of-the-faith-at-what-cost.56095/ - Do you have the right to allow the Holy Spirit to...
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Behold
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Behold
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Actually, im explaining to you where "doctrinal conceit" originates... @St. SteVen
It originates the moment that Paul's doctrine (NT) is replaced by any other teaching, like "universalism" or "mormonism" or "mary-Cult" or any other "ism" that pretends to be THE authority regarding NT Doctrine.
See.... there is a real "dividing line" between a true bible student, vs, a lifetime religious heretic who does not understand Paul's doctrine, and could not care less.
And that issue is exactly what confirms and concludes that their gospel and their "church" is false and cursed (as are they): Galatians 1:8...., and their "doctrinal deceit" is all they have left as their religious meanderings.
Its really that simple.
See, Paul told all true born again believers to "follow me".......and that means, to follow His :
1.) THEOLOGY,
2.) DOCTRINE,
3.) Gospel,
4.) Christian Ministry,
5.) and Walk of Faith.
And.....What does that mean?
It means that to become a disciple of Paul's Christianity, is exactly how you become "as many as be perfect".....>Paul teaches.
"behold, it sounds like you are making a IDOL out of Paul".
No, not at all.......as its Paul who told us to "follow ME, as i follow Christ".. = to emulate the greatest born again Christian who ever lived.
Paul is that one who told us that He had achieved more for God, through the Power of Christ in Him, = then "all the other apostles combined".
Thats in the BIBLE.....reader....Paul wrote it.....and so you can know its the TRUTH.
Its Paul who wrote all the Church Doctrine, and most of the NT Epistles.
Its Paul who is called by Jesus Himself to teach the GENTILES, all about how to become "Abraham's seed" and an "Heir according to the Promise".. of God.
So...... the born again (Gentile or JEW) ALL do this by learning Paul's Doctrine, most of all, as HIS revelations (Paul stated) came directly from Jesus, and they are exactly how true born again believers : "work out your Salvation"., and so much more.
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What caused you to be obsessed with attacking the Bible?The potential conceit of doctrinal individuality
Exploring the many facets of the issues of doctrinal unity and individuality.
Issues range from the dictates of religious institutional tyranny on one extreme end of the spectrum,
to freewheeling excesses of biblical interpretation on the other extreme end.
Seeking balance somewhere in the middle.
Another issue that presents itself is: The potential conceit of doctrinal individuality.
This is manifested in a person that thinks they ALONE have the correct biblical interpretation.
Since they believe that God has informed them, there can be no other answer. Right? (wrong)
Typical statements of biblical/doctrinal conceit:
- "Haven't you read the Bible?"
- "God told me..."
- "Who should I believe; you, or God?"
- "God's Word disagrees with you."
Such statements are usually used to win a debate.
Playing "the God card" to end the discussion.
This same conceit plays out in the defense of denominational beliefs as well.
The use of a religious organization as an unquestionable authority in matters of faith and practice.
And one might reply that "The Bible is the unquestionable authority in matters of faith and practice."
Unfortunately, there is no consensus on what the Bible says. What to do, what to do... ???
Related topics:
Unity of the faith - at what cost?
The call for doctrinal unity has gone out across the centuries. Are we there yet? (not by a long shot) Where is the problem? Perhaps it is in the assumption that the unity of the faith is doctrinal unity. - Can there be unity of the faith that overlooks doctrinal differences? - Does the Body...Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of doctrinal unity?
This is a follow-up to the previous topic: Unity of the faith - at what cost? Link below. Probably the biggest roadblock to Christian doctrinal unity is holding on to the freedom we have to determine our own beliefs. Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of Christian doctrinal...The tyranny of doctrinal unity - "Join or die."
A follow-up to the two previous topics: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/would-you-surrender-your-own-beliefs-in-the-cause-of-doctrinal-unity.56191/ https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/unity-of-the-faith-at-what-cost.56095/ - Do you have the right to allow the Holy Spirit to...
quietthinker
Well-Known Member
Your inability to differentiate Jack, puts you in the category of the unobservant!
quietthinker
Well-Known Member
Not only do you justify being unobservant but you intentionally choose to make accusations drawn from your unhealthy imagination.
Defending the Bible is "unhealthy imagination"???
Quoting YOU: "Yes, I am denying that God brought the flood even though it is attributed to him by the writer (Moses)."
Quoting Jesus: Matthew 24:37-39
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Grailhunter
Well-Known Member
Truth and accuracy of understanding.
Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. Matthew 7:7
Do you have to know the truth to be saved? Some of it.
Do you have to understand to be saved? Some of it.
Think of the Christians in the biblical era, they did not have Bibles.
Either way most knew what they were told. And tens of thousands were saved.
Then came the Catholic Church which forbid ownership of a Bible and spewed a lot of false doctrines that still plague Protestantism. But still some Catholic were saved and the false doctrines that the Protestants adopted from the Catholics generally do not prevent salvation.....mostly skews understanding.
So when we converse and debate beliefs we need to not only express our knowledge and understanding but also our love and respect for fellow Christians. The misunderstandings has spawned over 30,000 Protestant denominations, some more accurate than others but still a lot of saved people. If it was a requirement to be perfect or have perfect understanding to be saved.....we would all be in trouble.
I am a Theologian that worships with a lot of different denominations. I am not looking for perfection mostly those that hold to Yeshua's overall commandments.....Love God and love one another.....I love Christians. Yeshua knew that if you cannot love one another you cannot love God.
The big picture is important because the "Can't see the forest because of the trees" thing can cause us to miss the main point of Yeshua and Christianity. Love and forgiveness.
Since most do not get into understanding the biblical languages, understanding can be helped by choosing a good translation.
Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. Matthew 7:7
Do you have to know the truth to be saved? Some of it.
Do you have to understand to be saved? Some of it.
Think of the Christians in the biblical era, they did not have Bibles.
Either way most knew what they were told. And tens of thousands were saved.
Then came the Catholic Church which forbid ownership of a Bible and spewed a lot of false doctrines that still plague Protestantism. But still some Catholic were saved and the false doctrines that the Protestants adopted from the Catholics generally do not prevent salvation.....mostly skews understanding.
So when we converse and debate beliefs we need to not only express our knowledge and understanding but also our love and respect for fellow Christians. The misunderstandings has spawned over 30,000 Protestant denominations, some more accurate than others but still a lot of saved people. If it was a requirement to be perfect or have perfect understanding to be saved.....we would all be in trouble.
I am a Theologian that worships with a lot of different denominations. I am not looking for perfection mostly those that hold to Yeshua's overall commandments.....Love God and love one another.....I love Christians. Yeshua knew that if you cannot love one another you cannot love God.
The big picture is important because the "Can't see the forest because of the trees" thing can cause us to miss the main point of Yeshua and Christianity. Love and forgiveness.
Since most do not get into understanding the biblical languages, understanding can be helped by choosing a good translation.
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A myth can be as easily quoted as a historic reality as an example.
Like this one. The original rolling stone.
1 Corinthians 10:4 NIV
and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from
the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
I quoted Jesus, you call it myth. Perhaps salvation is only myth for you Bible choppers?
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