BarneyFife
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.This thread is not about Saturday Sabbath keeping that Seventh Day Adventists keep promoting as if it was most important command in the universe
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("Most important command in the universe?" Isn't that a little over-the-top? Methinks...)
It would almost make a person wonder why the Adventist church leaders relegated it to item #20 on the "28 Fundamental Beliefs" document (not a creed, btw), wouldn't it?
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.(that was promoted by the false prophetess Ellen G. White)
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Forgive me if I'm mistaken but this seems more like a flank attack than an objection to bringing up the 4th commandment as being part of what it means to be "doing what God says" and to "believe everything in your Bible."
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.That’s not the greatest commandment.
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No argument here. One main reason Seventh-day Adventists usually bring this up, though, is that it's the only commandment that begins with the word "Remember" and yet the only one that roughly 99.8% of Christians teach should be forgotten.
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.The first two greatest commandments are:
#1. Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is one God, and love the Lord your God with all your mind, soul, strength, heart, and to:
#2. Love your neighbor as yourself.
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Couldn't argue with this, either. Although to be fair, Christ was not here presenting New Covenant orthodoxy nearly so much as He was thwarting some clever religionists' attempt at trapping Him into self-incrimination.
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.I have listed various sins we need to avoid already.
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That's commendable, I must admit.
But it's also kind of a straw man if you think about it.
Especially after claiming you know my "real agenda."
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.But I know your real agenda.
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I won't say "I know" as you have done, but I'll go so far as to say I suspect that you're speaking from a place influenced by the genetic fallacy:
"Can there anything good come out of Silver Spring, Maryland—The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists?"
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.Gentile believers are not under the 613 Laws of Moses.
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Well, Seventh-day Adventists don't believe that, anyway, especially since the controversial "Mitzvot," of which the most cohesive form has its origins in medieval Jewish construct, has never enjoyed consensus even among Jewish theologians. The number 613, which is so readily used by anti-sabbatarians and antinomianists everywhere, is dubious, at best. It is also full of so many duplications as to make it impractical as a code of reference of any kind.
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.See Acts of the Apostles 15. Nowhere does the Jerusalem council stress believers have to keep the Sabbath.
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An argument from silence (which nearly all claims of abrogation of a commandment or commandments in the New Testament are), assuming that the Jerusalem Council, an ad-hoc committee deciding what was the most of Jewish ceremonial law to be imposed on Gentile believers by Jewish converts, somehow constitutes the whole counsel of God or "everything in your Bible."
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.Nowhere in the New Testament is there a “Sabbath command” or a “Sabbath day breaking sin” listed among other sins.
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Here, again, the silence (-crickets-) speaks to us. Trouble is, Scripture, during the time of the writing of the New Testament, was the Old Testament. And if arguments from silence count for inspired instruction, where's the record of the uprising of Jews who would have, without doubt, been incensed by the overthrow of the fourth article of their beloved Decalogue?
And, not so silent, wouldn't Matthew 24:20 have been a great opportunity for Christ to not confuse his disciples by worrying them with a concern about a commandment that would, by 70 AD, 39 years after His death (which was supposed to null-and-void it) be totally obsolete?
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.One has to insert this idea into Scripture to make it true.
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Again, not really, since the Bible of their time would have consisted only of the books of Genesis through Malachi.
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.Colossians 2:14-17 makes it clear that we are not to let others judge us according to Sabbaths (Which would naturally include the Saturday Sabbath).
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There is no need for others to "judge" anyone in any offense deserving of conviction or condemnation since the Bible and the Holy Spirit do that as no "others" could.
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.But again, this thread is not about the keeping of the Saturday Sabbath (Which is implied by your words here).
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To be sure. But it is about sanctification, which is about separation from sin, which is the transgression of the ten commandment law clearly spoken of in Romans 7:7-12.
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