The Rapture is Post-trib

[The Light]

God is NOT able to save pre trib nor mid trib, simply because Jesus revealed His coming is AFTER the tribulation to gather His saints. So quit trying to re-write The Word of God.

There is a pretrib coming of Jesus for His Church and a post trib coming of Jesus for the gathering from heaven and earth. There is a reason there are 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes. Additionally there is a post wrath coming Jesus when He comes to the earth. There are also 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish virgins.

 

[The Light]

There is a question pre-tribs need to answer.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

Who are these that "God will bring with Jesus" when He comes to gather His people to Himself? It says they are "those who have fallen asleep in him". Who else can this be except for the souls of the dead in Christ?

Pre-tribs like to say that Jesus will first come FOR His saints in a pre-trib rapture and then He later will come WITH His saints after the tribulation. But scripture says He will come both WITH and FOR His people at the same time. And that is indicated in this passage as well:

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Notice here that the elect are gathered both from throughout heaven AND from throughout the earth at Christ's coming AFTER the tribulation. The ones gathered from heaven are the souls of the dead in Christ and those gathered from earth are those who are alive and remain. The dead in Christ will be united with their changed, immortal bodies and they will be caught up together with those who are alive and remain to meet the Lord in the air.

Here are a few common sense questions for you.

1. The Church is not mentioned after Revelation 3 until Revelation Revelation 22. We can see 22 elders with crowns in Revelation 4. Crowns means Jesus has returned. We also see the kings and priests in heaven in Revelation 5 which is the Church. Can't you see these things?

2. We are told to watch because He will come in an hour that we think not. Do you not believe this?

3. Those that are watching know that He is at the door. Satan also knows. All of sudden we are getting the news from the government that aliens are real. Don't you find that odd? The alien lie has been in place from at least the 1950's and probably before. And from the 60's, beam me up Scotty.

4. Do you understand what first fruits means? They are the first fruits of a harvest. There are 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes. What do you think the harvest is of these first fruits?

 

[ewq1938]

Here are a few common sense questions for you.

1. The Church is not mentioned after Revelation 3 until Revelation Revelation 22.

False, the church is mentioned many times. The two witnesses which includes the two candlesticks which is symbolism for two churches which are a part of "the church", the 144k, the ones who would be killed as the others were from the 5th seal, and the beheaded saints of Rev 20.

We can see 22 elders with crowns in Revelation 4. Crowns means Jesus has returned.

No, that does not prove Jesus has returned.

2. We are told to watch because He will come in an hour that we think not. Do you not believe this?

He comes unexpected to those who are not watching.

3. Those that are watching know that He is at the door. Satan also knows. All of sudden we are getting the news from the government that aliens are real. Don't you find that odd? The alien lie has been in place from at least the 1950's and probably before. And from the 60's, beam me up Scotty.

A beam me up type theology exists as Pre-trib. The false christ will no doubt have a false rapture to help the Apostasy happen, which pretrib thinks is a reference to the rapture so deception and apostasy is built in to Pre-trib.

4. Do you understand what first fruits means? They are the first fruits of a harvest. There are 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes. What do you think the harvest is of these first fruits?

When is the important thing. It is the rapture, and it is post-trib according to multiple scriptures. See the two threads I posted which proves this.

 

[Jericho]

No one will be able to calculate the day or hour of His second Coming in Post-Trib.

For the simple fact that you need an EXACT starting time, which will not be given.

Only the Father knows the EXACT Time of the revealing of the wicked one and add to that that the LORD will shorten the days.

Pre-trib is FALSE/LIE because it never came out of the Mouth of God = there is not even one pre-trib rapture verse in the entire Scriptures.

Yes, you could. The two witnesses minister for 3.5 years then the anti-Christ comes to power for 3.5 years. They are both specfic time markers. If the Second Coming proceeds those latter 3.5 years, you would have a pretty good idea when it it occurs if you're still around. It sure wouldn't be a surprise.

There is no one post-trib verse in the bible. All the ones supposedly given are open to interpretation.

 

[Jericho]

The living survivors are all over the world when the GT ends. God wants them to be all together so they will be raptured from where ever they are to one place in the clouds to meet Christ and the resurrected saints. This forms one great army which follows Christ down to Armageddon.

Whose going to populate the earth then in the millennial reign? When we are raptured we are changed from mortal to immortal. Those that took the Mark of the Beast will be removed. So, whose left?

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, you could. The two witnesses minister for 3.5 years then the anti-Christ comes to power for 3.5 years. They are both specfic time markers. If the Second Coming proceeds those latter 3.5 years, you would have a pretty good idea when it it occurs if you're still around. It sure wouldn't be a surprise.

There is no one post-trib verse in the bible. All the ones supposedly given are open to interpretation.

#1 - No one will know when that EXACT hour or day begins EXCEPT the FATHER for the AC and the 2 Witnesses

#2 - You are calling the LORD Jesus a liar when you say "there is no post-trib verse in the bible"

#3 - You are calling the Apostles liars as well.

#4 - You are calling the OT Prophets liars also.

#5 - Pre-trib rapture is the LIE = now it is your choice

Direct Post-Trib Statement from the LORD = Matthew chapter 24

Direct Post-Trib statement from the Apostle John = 1 John chapter 2

Direct Post-Trib statement from OT Prophet Daniel = Daniel chapter 9 and 12:1-3

 

[The Light]

False, the church is mentioned many times.

LOL. Yeah........NOT.

The two witnesses which includes the two candlesticks which is symbolism for two churches which are a part of "the church",

Symbolism? and yet where is the Church as there are 7 candlesticks. Are you saying the 2 candlesticks represent the left behind?

the 144k, the ones who would be killed as the others were from the 5th seal, and the beheaded saints of Rev 20.

The 144,000 are from the twelve tribes and are the first fruits of a harvest. The grain harvest has already occurred.

No, that does not prove Jesus has returned.

When Jesus comes His reward is with Him.

He comes unexpected to those who are not watching.

Exactly. In an hour that you think not.

A beam me up type theology exists as Pre-trib. The false christ will no doubt have a false rapture to help the Apostasy happen, which pretrib thinks is a reference to the rapture so deception and apostasy is built in to Pre-trib.

Or they need a way to explain the disappearance of people when the secret rapture occurs. It can't be God came for His Church, it is the aliens.

When is the important thing. It is the rapture, and it is post-trib according to multiple scriptures. See the two threads I posted which proves this.

There is a post trib rapture, I fully agree. That does not prove that there is not a pre-trib rapture. He is at the door now.

 

[ewq1938]

Whose going to populate the earth then in the millennial reign? When we are raptured we are changed from mortal to immortal. Those that took the Mark of the Beast will be removed. So, whose left?

They are not removed. Would love to see that documented. Rev 2 and 19 both promise a rule over the nations after the second coming and those nations are not saved peoples because it is the saved who rule over the nations.

 

[ewq1938]

Symbolism? and yet where is the Church as there are 7 candlesticks. Are you saying the 2 candlesticks represent the left behind?

The rapture happens post-trib so the only ones left behind are those who were not Christians.

There is a post trib rapture, I fully agree. That does not prove that there is not a pre-trib rapture. He is at the door now.

There is only one Rapture and the bible places it after the trib not before it.

 

[The Light]

#1 - No one will know when that EXACT hour or day begins EXCEPT the FATHER for the AC and the 2 Witnesses

#2 - You are calling the LORD Jesus a liar when you say "there is no post-trib verse in the bible"

#3 - You are calling the Apostles liars as well.

#4 - You are calling the OT Prophets liars also.

#5 - Pre-trib rapture is the LIE = now it is your choice

Direct Post-Trib Statement from the LORD = Matthew chapter 24

Direct Post-Trib statement from the Apostle John = 1 John chapter 2

Direct Post-Trib statement from OT Prophet Daniel = Daniel chapter 9 and 12:1-3

Jesus comes Pretrib, Posttrib and Post wrath.

 

[The Light]

The rapture happens post-trib so the only ones left behind are those who were not Christians.

There is only one Rapture and the bible places it after the trib not before it.

The fig tree has two harvests - FACT.
There is a grain harvest and a fruit harvest - FACT.
Jacob had two brides - Fact.
Jacob worked 7 more years for the second bride - Fact
One coming is like the days of Noah and one coming is like the days of Lot. -FACT
One coming, the Lord Himself comes and one coming, He sends His angels. - FACT
One coming the dead in Christ rise first and He returns for the alive that remain. One coming the dead and alive are changed in the twinkling of an eye. -FACT

There are two raptures. - FACT.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus comes Pretrib, Posttrib and Post wrath.

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit NEVER said that.

Pre-trib is outnumbered and overcome by TRUTH

 

[The Light]

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit NEVER said that.

Pre-trib is outnumbered and overcome by TRUTH

There are 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish. The wise are watching and ready.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The second coming happens AFTER the GT is over, so the rapture happens post-Trib. Circumventing these two passages is to ignore the scriptural evidence of WHEN the rapture is going to happen.

Agreed.

 

[David in NJ]

There are 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish. The wise are watching and ready.

Correct

 

[ewq1938]

The fig tree has two harvests - FACT.
There is a grain harvest and a fruit harvest - FACT.
Jacob had two brides - Fact.
Jacob worked 7 more years for the second bride - Fact

Irrelevant.

One coming is like the days of Noah and one coming is like the days of Lot. -FACT

No, the two are both compared to the second coming. They are not representing two second comings.

One coming, the Lord Himself comes and one coming, He sends His angels. - FACT

False. One coming where both happen.

One coming the dead in Christ rise first and He returns for the alive that remain. One coming the dead and alive are changed in the twinkling of an eye. -FACT

Nope. Jesus only raptures the living. The formerly dead are brought with him.

There are two raptures. - FACT.

No, it's not true and does not come from the bible.

 

[ewq1938]

There are 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish. The wise are watching and ready.

The wise were sleeping not watching. Someone else was awake and watching, not the 5 wise virgins.

Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

 

[David in NJ]

Irrelevant.



No, the two are both compared to the second coming. They are not representing two second comings.




False. One coming where both happen.




Nope. Jesus only raptures the living. The formerly dead are brought with him.




No, it's not true and does not come from the bible.

Oh, you're just being too simplistic in your approach.

Purely believing "it is written" is very narrow minded ya know!

Next thing you are going to do is tell me is that Jesus said He is coming "immediately after the tribulation of those days".

 

[marks]

#2 - You are calling the LORD Jesus a liar when you say "there is no post-trib verse in the bible"

#3 - You are calling the Apostles liars as well.

#4 - You are calling the OT Prophets liars also.

You are lying about others. Jericho isn't calling anyone a liar, but you are lying about him.

Can you take a clue when you've gone too far?? You never could with me. Will you with others? Or continue to slander them? Your choice. You demonstrate who you are in what you will choose.

Some "Christian" forum!

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

You are lying about others. Jericho isn't calling anyone a liar, but you are lying about him.

Can you take a clue when you've gone too far?? You never could with me. Will you with others? Or continue to slander them? Your choice. You demonstrate who you are in what you will choose.

Some "Christian" forum!

Much love!

JESUS said: Matthew 24:19-31
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds,
from one end of heaven to the other.

Anyone who says there is no post-trib scripture in the bible is either:
a.) ignorant of the Scriptures
b.) just believing what they have been told/taught/religion
c.) or they are just plain lying.

Those who claim to know the Holy Scriptures and yet promote the lie of pre-trib rapture HAVE GONE TOO FAR!
Pre-trib rapture is the big lie in christianity today = causing division and discord among those who want the TRUTH.

Turn back to Truth @marks and everyone who is adding to God's words what HE never said.

Your Choice to make: Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.