(jodycour;11408)
Believing in a Rapture, or not believng in a rapture, is not a Salvation as you mentioned earlier!We can only be saved by the blood of Jesus!Paul did not teach or say that there would not be a rapture!He was only trying to get them to go overboard with it like many christians do with a lot of things.The way that you guys are trying persuade people to not believe in a rapture sounds more like a doctrine of satan more than what the majority of Solid Christians believe!You guys are straining at a knat and swallowing a camel!
(Quote)He was only trying to get them to go overboard with it like many christians do with a lot of things.(quote)A riduclous statement Paul was correcting revealing truth to them. Based on what can you draw this conclusion? Nothing ,but what I can only call a total lack of understanding of the word.Paul doesn't want you to misunderstand what he is about to say. This is why he makes it plain and simple; Paul told them not to confuse what he is saying here with any other teaching, or spirit, or even that first letter from him. This is because there was a confusing part in the first letter where false teachers had crept in and twisted Paul's words. Paul is saying, don't let anyone trouble you [confuse you], and tell you that the "day of Christ" is at hand. The "day of Christ [the Lord]" is the day when Jesus Christ will return to earth, and gather His saints to Him. This gathering will happen at the sounding of the seventh trumpet. No paul doesnt say there wont be a gathering back to the Lord he tells you instead when it will happen there must be a falling away firstAFTER THE LAWLESS ONE THAT MAN OF SIN, comes (who do you think this is?) Then after this at the last trumph Christ will gather us back.Even if you dont believe what scripture says and insist on a rapture doctrine for a Minister to state well if he doesnt say there wont be one it could be true is outragous.With that logic we can all pretty much make up our own doctrineThe whole purpose for Paul to write the II Thessalonians letter, was to warn that church, as well as the churches of today, of the errors in teaching that others were making of his first letter. Don't expect Christ's return to soon, for these things of II Thessalonians 2:1-4 must take place first.II Thessalonians 2:5 "Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"Paul is again reminding them.II Thessalonians 2:6 "And now ye know what withholdeth [that which restraineth to the end] that he might be revealed in his time [own season].""And now", is Paul's reminder to them that they did talk about this when he was with them in person. Who then is this one that would "be revealed in his time?" The subject here is "the son of perdition", Satan, the Antichrist, or what ever name you desire to use for him. He is Satan, and Satan will commit the "abomination of desolation" of Daniel 9:27; and the church will be here to see it, because the "gathering", or Christ's return follows this. II Thessalonians 2:7 "For the mystery of iniquity [lawlessness] doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."If you as a minister dont think following after Satan as he comes first (6th trump),causing them to worship a false god thus breaking Gods law, (you shall have no other gods before me), allowing your sheep to be fooled by the great delusion that will come, not teaching them that one left working in the field is the saved one, That it is the second death they are in danger of suffering. has anything to do with their salvation then I pray for those who will follow you. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;