Waiting on him
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So stop provoking me, I’ve already been given a citation from the SDA police. Brake light needs to finish building his platform to stand upon and slander the RCC.
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Interesting. An apologist in disguise. You want to scuttle this thread because I am now your enemy because I tell you the truth?
Waiting on him
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Waiting on him
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Correct...there is a 3rd Temple in the works as we speak...
The physical temple is God's Holy Place.
Our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit who dwells in all who are saved and baptized.
So IMHO...What scripture refers to as we being the temple of the Holy Spirit is not referring to The Holy Temple in Jerusalem and vice versa
Waiting on him
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There is widespread belief in the Muslim world that Jews want to demolish Jerusalem’s flashpoint, Al-Aqsa Mosque, and build a temple for themselves.
Statements by radical groups and Jewish settlers’ raids on the Al-Aqsa Mosque have strengthened that notion.
Dozens of settlers, escorted by police, forced their way into the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound on Wednesday and toured the area, according to the Islamic Endowments Authority.
Since 2003, Israel has allowed settlers into the flashpoint compound almost daily with exceptions on Fridays and Saturdays.
Anadolu Agency asked Jews in occupied East Jerusalem if they wanted to demolish the mosque.
Raziella Harpaz, a religious activist said he has no such an intention because “God will do it.”
“God will extinguish the existing Al-Aqsa Mosque and bring a third temple down to earth in its place,” he said. “Everything, including Al-Aqsa, belongs to the Jews because God created the world only for his holy beloved people, the Jews.”
US-born college student Nina Shelanski does not believe that Al-Aqsa should be completely under Jewish control.
“I think the majority of Israelis are satisfied with the current situation, but some ultra-Orthodox groups want Israel to take full control of the Al-Aqsa and the West Bank. Unfortunately, these small groups want to drown out our voices,” she said.
Shelanski highlighted that those groups have a big influence on Israeli politics despite making up a small fraction of the population.
Rabbi Ravay Moyal Mikhael also said he does not support the effort. “Israeli people do not pursue such a goal. They need peace,” he said.
Moti Khouyzag, a student at a Yeshiva, said the second coming of Jesus will make way for the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple in the place of the Al-Aqsa mosque.
“We never believe we should do anything about this building. We have no intention of burning it down or shutting it down,” said Khouyzag.
Al-Aqsa Mosque is the world's third-holiest site for Muslims. Jews call the area the "Temple Mount," claiming it was the site of two Jewish temples in ancient times.
Israel occupied East Jerusalem, where Al-Aqsa is located, during the 1967 Arab-Israeli War. It annexed the entire city in 1980 in a move never recognized by the international community.
*Writing by Zehra Nur Duz
Statements by radical groups and Jewish settlers’ raids on the Al-Aqsa Mosque have strengthened that notion.
Dozens of settlers, escorted by police, forced their way into the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound on Wednesday and toured the area, according to the Islamic Endowments Authority.
Since 2003, Israel has allowed settlers into the flashpoint compound almost daily with exceptions on Fridays and Saturdays.
Anadolu Agency asked Jews in occupied East Jerusalem if they wanted to demolish the mosque.
Raziella Harpaz, a religious activist said he has no such an intention because “God will do it.”
“God will extinguish the existing Al-Aqsa Mosque and bring a third temple down to earth in its place,” he said. “Everything, including Al-Aqsa, belongs to the Jews because God created the world only for his holy beloved people, the Jews.”
US-born college student Nina Shelanski does not believe that Al-Aqsa should be completely under Jewish control.
“I think the majority of Israelis are satisfied with the current situation, but some ultra-Orthodox groups want Israel to take full control of the Al-Aqsa and the West Bank. Unfortunately, these small groups want to drown out our voices,” she said.
Shelanski highlighted that those groups have a big influence on Israeli politics despite making up a small fraction of the population.
Rabbi Ravay Moyal Mikhael also said he does not support the effort. “Israeli people do not pursue such a goal. They need peace,” he said.
Moti Khouyzag, a student at a Yeshiva, said the second coming of Jesus will make way for the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple in the place of the Al-Aqsa mosque.
“We never believe we should do anything about this building. We have no intention of burning it down or shutting it down,” said Khouyzag.
Al-Aqsa Mosque is the world's third-holiest site for Muslims. Jews call the area the "Temple Mount," claiming it was the site of two Jewish temples in ancient times.
Israel occupied East Jerusalem, where Al-Aqsa is located, during the 1967 Arab-Israeli War. It annexed the entire city in 1980 in a move never recognized by the international community.
*Writing by Zehra Nur Duz
Good to hear. Can we address the actual posts instead of second guessing the direction. And confusing the discussion? I've been down this route before, but never actually made it to the end. The Catholic apologists on various forums hate, no despise, this topic. Bible prophecy the way it was intended to be understood is their worst enemy. Which is why the Jesuits invented two opposing hermeneutics to obfuscate the truth. So.
You know I'm Adventist, so you'll likely know the final line. But I suspect, of course you'll correct me if I'm wrong, that you've never been shown the step by step route that takes us there. I've got plenty of time. But you'll excuse me if I don't get involved in these little distracting irrelevant side issues and straw men that pop up incessantly on these discussions. Let me continue with an interesting quote from an eminent Catholic historian, Cardinal Manning.
“Now the abandonment of Rome was the liberation of the pontiffs. (Which is why I chose to use the word 'released', although it is quite fair to use revealed, either are quite appropriate. ) Whatsoever claims to obedience the emperors may have made, and whatsoever compliance the Pontiff may have yielded, the whole previous relation, anomalous, and annulled again and again by the vices and outrages of the emperors, was finally dissolved by a higher power. The providence of God permitted a succession of irruptions, Gothic, Lombard, and Hungarian, to desolate Italy, and to efface from it every remnant of the empire.
The pontiffs found themselves alone, the sole fountains of order, peace, law, and safety. And from the hour of this providential liberation, when, by a divine intervention, the chains fell off from the hands of the successor of St. Peter, as once before from his own, no sovereign has ever reigned in Rome except the Vicar of Jesus Christ.”
(Henry Edward Manning, The Temporal Power of The Vicar of Jesus Christ, Preface, pp. xxviii, xxix. London: Burns and Lambert, 1862).
The question of course which must be asked is, were the early church leaders correct, and was Cardinal Manning correct? Did the Pagan Roman empire dissolve into ten Kings... Did 3 of them succumb to another as the prophecy foretold, and who was that 'another'?
Waiting on him
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There is also the view that the Holy Spirit is still in the world before the Rapture of the church, until His restraining influence be taken away before the Great Tribulation; this is a view I would tend to favour.
Did you get your sarcasm from the devil?
You are simply the most arrogant minded individual i have ever come across on a forum. Everytime someone presents something opposite of your beliefs you attack with sarcasm.
I suspect I'll be in bed asleep by the time you get back. It's 2:20am here. Just a short comment tree the temple. Paul's prophecy says, the temple of God as being the place where the son of perdition takes up residence. I understand your perspective that in your view, the "old man of the flesh" is in residence of the body of the Christian, God's temple. I cannot quite agree however, on two points. First, the old man is dead. In the context of the prophecy, the man of sin, the son of perdition, is very much alive and in control. He is boasting literally of his position, boasting of his power and authority as being greater even than God Himself. I cannot agree that this in any way describes the position of the old carnal nature in the life of the Christian. The second point I suspect you would agree with me on, that the temple so described in Thessalonians, cannot be any physical temple in Jerusalem, regardless of it's potential in actually being built and the determination of the radical Jewish element in Israel and their Christian Zionist supporters in America in order to fulfill the prophecy. Such a temple will never be God's. When Jesus comes, He does not even touch the earth... His people meet Him in the air, and are with Him there... In our view the millennium does not comprise a populated planet. That discussion however I would rather leave for another day. It's been done before of course, but never resolved happily for either side of the debate.
Sorry, this is off topic but prophesy speaks of Jesus on the earth at His 2nd coming...
Paul’s letter to the Thessalonians says that both the resurrected dead and the living believers will be “caught up together…to meet the Lord in the air” (1 Thess. 4:17). Although Paul does not say what will happen next, the prophet Zechariah does: “And in that day His feet will stand upon the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,;…thus the Lord my God will come” (Zech. 14:1-5).
Waiting on him
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Insightful WoH....the false Church (Catholic) of this earth says IT is the only true apostolic temple, both physical and spiritual, even today. We know better as believers as you said, we are the true Church and each human vessel is part of temple of God through Christ as its head and gateway, and that is where the Father really resides....this is what I also gleam from the passage you quoted.
Timtofly
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Not hardly. The one that holds back iniquity, which is what any antichrist spirit is, is the Holy Spirit. Human morality cannot not hold back the powers of darkness. Human morality is self righteousness in the every day human. It is Satan's deception that humans do not need God, but are just fine on their own. Satan is not holding back Satan. Satan cannot come forward, because if the world knows Satan, they would also have to accept there is a God who created Satan.
You all should know it is Satan who will be revealed any ways. If you know it is Satan, then it is already revealed. Not every last human on earth has to personally meet Satan before the Second Coming can happen.
CharismaticLady
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Think again if you think it is the omnipresent Holy Spirit that will be taken out of the way.
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