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I remember when I was Antichrist, I wish I could nail down a specific time that The lord breathed on meAfter all, John's First Epistle says that 'many antichrists' shall come (in the plural)...
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I remember when I was Antichrist, I wish I could nail down a specific time that The lord breathed on meAfter all, John's First Epistle says that 'many antichrists' shall come (in the plural)...
I was wrong. I see now I was that lawless one.Ok, I’ll just for right now go with Jesus is lawless.
You might see how any determination of that would be "from a certain perspective" anyway, right?Ok, I’ll just for right now go with Jesus is lawless.
I truly was in opposition.You might see how any determination of that would be "from a certain perspective" anyway, right?
I thought you wanted a "reasonable, Bible based discussion"? So far, all I see is an attempt to cast doubt on what are facts of history as a means to derail any such discussion. The reasonable, Biblical historic facts are:Early church writings and histories are certainly interesting. But they are not canon. Thus, I think we need to be very careful assigning to doctrine that which does not come out of scripture directly.
And don't mistake me...I'm not attempting to insist that my theory presented here is 100% accurate and therefore am standing dogmatically behind it. I am more interested in having a conversation over the possibilities of it, and where scripture passages lead us to be more certain of some things, and less certain of others.
Luke 18:30 Lexicon: who will not receive many times as much at this time and in the age to come, eternal life."Do a bible search for references of "this age" and "the age to come". There is a clear teaching of a distinction. And while Christ teaches the Kingdom has come now, in this age, the 'age to come' is also clearly of things eternal, things sinless and perfected.
Well to that I would say that you might have been off the rails then, sinning maybe, yes, but "in opposition" is not necessarily a sin, right, depending upon what you were in opposition to. Which the point there might be that it can be hard to tell the diff when you are not involved and looking in from the outside, and attempting to form a judgement maybe. Christ was in opposition too, broke laws too, but you perceive his crimes differently, right?I truly was in opposition.
It's a spiritual Book after all, why not contemplate "spiritual death" there, especially being as how we have so many indicators for that as the pertinent subject? Let the dead bury the dead?As in Isaiah “He will swallow up death in victory” and in Revelation “and there shall be no more death”.
What I was opposed to was loving my neighbor as I love myself.Well to that I would say that you might have been off the rails then, sinning maybe, yes, but "in opposition" is not necessarily a sin, right, depending upon what you were in opposition to. Which the point there might be that it can be hard to tell the diff when you are not involved and looking in from the outside, and attempting to form a judgement maybe. Christ was in opposition too, broke laws too, but you perceive his crimes differently, right?
It's a spiritual Book after all, why not contemplate "spiritual death" there, especially being as how we have so many indicators for that as the pertinent subject? Let the dead bury the dead?
to that I would say that reading down to v31 maybe provides a fuller perspective,Luke 24:5
[5] And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
How about thinking about KJV- 2 Thes. 2 this way:This is an interesting thought, I suppose because in a way Christ has, in a true way, done exactly that. It is his right, after all, as the only true way, true God.
However, we can see in the context of the passage that Paul is NOT speaking of Jesus here. The 'man of lawlessness' comes in opposition to Christ, and Christ will 'kill him'. This man also comes by the activity of Satan. Definitely not Jesus!
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, -2 Thessalonians 2:8–9
to that I would say that reading down to v31 maybe provides a fuller perspective,
and their eyes were opened, and they knew Him; and He vanished out of their sight
which we also read with our Magical Thinking at first, but oops notice that a diff perspective is just under the surface there? Not sure how to even mark it, but contemplate their eyes being opened, and then Jesus "literally" vanishing maybe, "out of their sight"
for that you want to goto "forums," then pick which forum, then you'll see a button at the top of the forum, "post new thread"I would like to post the details of my study, to show the truth of what I just said.
Being new here as of Feb. 2019, I have not yet posted a thread of my own authorship. I can't seem to locate on this site how to do that.
Can you be of some help, that I may?
Okay, so...where am I going with this? In all three of these passages we see these ideas: Satan deceives against God's truth; that's how he controls, ultimately, the nations, enhancing their already sinful desires to do his biding against the people of God.
We see that there is a time when Satan is prevented from deceiving the nations to some extent by some force/person...he is bound, or restrained.
There is also a time when he will be 'released', to go forth and deceive again, with specific intent to gather the nations against the people of God.
My thought is that these three passages are linked. Their content is too similar to ignore.
"Bind/Bound": to hold or restrict by force or obligation; tie or fasten, to restrain.
"Restrain": prevent (someone or something) from doing something; keep under control or within limits. Control, deprive.
Ok- thank you!for that you want to goto "forums," then pick which forum, then you'll see a button at the top of the forum, "post new thread"
What prevents “restrains” the knowledge of God ...Is it not the vail of flesh that prevents?
Yea, that’s pretty much how it happened with meBut it says in 2 Thess 2 that the MOS is revealed after the restrainer is taken away, so the world and the flesh must still be there after that.