The Resurrection is for all people (thank you Yeshua!)

[face2face]

I guess the one thing you need to understand is that you have no credibility as a teacher, and you seem to assume that no one knows all the facts e crept you. What makes you think you need to teach me about the history of the Samaritans?
Good grief man, you sure have tickets on yourself...

No tickets Jane...just labored in the Word and able to see when a person is twisting Scripture to suit their own doctrine.

I've really valued speaking to you in this forum and getting insight into your congregation. You lack skills in understanding imagery, types and anti types, analogies and figurative language. You also lack honesty and because you set yourself up as a teacher you are unteachable. As you would know its an issue with your community at large. There is a very real danger for a community that thinks they solely represent Yahweh in the Earth and this attitude comes through your posts.

I have some questions of you which I'd like to ask but i'll so via a new thread.

Do you know the book "The Divine Plan of the Ages?"

 

[Earburner]

How can this be true if all people are just gonna be annihilated…


“Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:9-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬


“The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭NIV‬‬

God intends by his desire to not have anyone to perish but all to come to repentance. Do both of these scriptures tie in together? You have to decide.

“Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭33:11‬ ‭NIV‬‬

This is interesting it’s what God doesn’t find pleasure in.

Human beings do though, when the wicked are caught and given their punishment normally human beings rejoice in this… they will go and sit and watch a person be put to death and fee justified by it (if they still do that in America by Death penalty…) Calvinist have a view that God rejoices in this as well, but not according to this scripture.


“Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:23‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Another proof of what God desires, for others to turn from their ways and find the truth in His Son.


“This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭NIV‬‬

We know not everyone in this life comes to the truth, and thus this saying exist below, from Jesus.


“but whoever may speak evil in regard to the Holy Spirit hath not forgiveness — to the age, but is in danger of age-during judgment;’”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭3:29‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

So judgment comes which lasts an age for unbelievers. That ends until they choose to repent, and turn from their own ways.


“for it hath been written, ‘I live! saith the Lord — to Me bow shall every knee, and every tongue shall confess to God;’”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:11‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

This above sharing what the Lord says…


“wherefore, I give you to understand that no one, in the Spirit of God speaking, saith Jesus [is] anathema, and no one is able to say Jesus [is] Lord, except in the Holy Spirit.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭12:3‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

And no one will be able to say Jesus is lord expect by the Holy Spirit.

This is why I believe people after this life have a place to go, consider the below verse.


“‘Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city; and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:14-15‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

I believe all people are resurrected, some Are saved to the kingdom of God in this life when they pass away they will go to be with God because of faith.

Those who are without will be outside the kingdom of God because of faithlessness.

What is interesting about this to me, is that either resurrection which is given - which we try to encourage people to go and seek God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Is that God will be giving a resurrected body to the believer and the non believer, and God is a giver of good gifts, though the end result for a non-believer is loss and ruin they will still given a gift from God which is a spiritual body (to me personally some disagree).


“and God doth give to it a body according as He willed, and to each of the seeds its proper body.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:38‬ ‭YLT98‬‬


“Be not led astray, my brethren beloved; every good giving, and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the lights, with whom is no variation, or shadow of turning; having counselled, He did beget us with a word of truth, for our being a certain firstfruit of His creatures.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:16-18‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

This concluded my overall view and scope of why I believe the way I do.

You may disagree it’s all well and good with me.

God bless.

If God is in such displeasure in His foreknowledge over the loss of anyone, then the question must be asked of why did He allow the creation of Adam and Eve, in the simplicity of their innocence, become corrupted with the knowledge of good and evil?
Ans. He wanted His creation of man to love Him by there own decision, through the freedom of their own volition and self will.

The deepest desire of God, is to love us each personally, and to dwell within us forever. Therefore, He wants us to have that same deep desire, to want Him to do just that, so that we may know Him.

What kind of relationship can there be for someone to love another immensely, but the person of their love and adoration has no interest whatsoever to give love back. How can anyone truly know another, if love is only one sided?

Mat. 7[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never KNEW you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Romans 8[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Edit:
Paul expressed it this way:
Phil.3[10] That I may KNOW him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

 

[MatthewG]

If God is in such displeasure in His foreknowledge over the loss of anyone, then the question must be asked of why did He allow the creation of Adam and Eve, in the simplicity of their innocence, become corrupted with the knowledge of good and evil?
Ans. He wanted His creation of man to love Him by there own decision, through the freedom of their own volition and self will.

The deepest desire of God, is to love us each personally, and to dwell within us forever. Therefore, He wants us to have that same deep desire, to want Him to do just that, so that we may know Him.

What kind of relationship can there be for someone to love another immensely, but the person of their love and adoration has no interest whatsoever to give love back. How can anyone truly know another, if love is only one sided?

Mat. 7[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never KNEW you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Romans 8[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

This is not what I’m talking about though my friend.

Many use the scripture of Matthew 7.

That is so personal and deep people probably just read and just go right past it, there are probably many YouTube videos, and even sermons about this.

It is highly encouraged by me to teach it of course.

Unfortunately whether or not someone accepts what Jesus says as the truth of this manner of doing so, is for those who believe that they are doing something for the Lord and deserve praise from him because of it, when it is in reality the Lord who deserves praise for literally everything that He has done for the entire world.

Aside from this; I’m someone who believes all scripture has been fulfilled. This example you have given still stands true and it is specially for groups of people who believe what they are doing for the Lord is enough to get into heaven save from belief and faith and praising him alone, @Earburner.

This doesn’t specially address any of the scripture I had posted by any means my friend.

 

[face2face]

If God is in such displeasure in His foreknowledge over the loss of anyone, then the question must be asked of why did He allow the creation of Adam and Eve, in the simplicity of their innocence, become corrupted with the knowledge of good and evil?
Ans.

Is this actually right? Have a think about that...
carefully!

 

[MatthewG]

Added a poll if anyone wants to vote.

 

[MatthewG]

If God is in such displeasure in His foreknowledge over the loss of anyone, then the question must be asked of why did He allow the creation of Adam and Eve, in the simplicity of their innocence, become corrupted with the knowledge of good and evil?

Before he created Adam and Eve he already perceived the slain one on the cross before the foundations of the world, however he worked with the first-born materially nation of Israel.

Ans. He wanted His creation of man to love Him by there own decision, through the freedom of their own volition and self will.

Yes, and they violated by disobeying.

The deepest desire of God, is to love us each personally, and to dwell within us forever. Therefore, He wants us to have that same deep desire, to want Him to do just that, so that we may know Him.

I don’t disagree.

What kind of relationship can there be for someone to love another immensely, but the person of their love and adoration has no interest whatsoever to give love back. How can anyone truly know another, if love is only one sided?

@Earburner,

I did respond very quickly to this post. My apologies for that though my original response still stands in the notions of the scripture you had shared with me, @Earburner.

Perhaps my ear started to catch on fire just as my tongue is a deadly poison. :)

What is your overall view about when everything wraps up on our death day?

How do you see the heavenly kingdom of God? Do you see people being on the outside as John proclaims in Revelations 22?

See this is the main thing I would like to know over all, I’m perhaps not as worried about those who don’t not believe anymore but dealing with believers who have no idea about anything of this nature at all.

 

[MatthewG]

This is for all people who have commented and shared I don’t really have any judgment on anyone and if I come off as judgmental I apologize I’m not the best communicator.

There is something I want to give to each of all of you as a reminder that you are all part of the body of Christ if you are a believer in the Gospel of Christ which the power of God unto salvation.

Each of you are unique and are important and do matter, even people who aren’t believers are important and do matter.

May you be uplifted and encouraged in the spirit and by these words of Paul to the Corinthians in his first letter.


“

Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many. Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭12:12-26‬ ‭NIV‬‬

God bless each and everyone of you, it is very tough to die to the sin that resides in our body but with God all things are possible by the strength of Christ Jesus through the spirit.

 

[Earburner]

We know not everyone in this life comes to the truth, and thus this saying exist below, from Jesus.

“but whoever may speak evil in regard to the Holy Spirit hath not forgiveness — to the age, but is in danger of age-during judgment;’”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭3:29‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

So judgment comes which lasts an age for unbelievers. That ends until they choose to repent, and turn from their own ways.

“for it hath been written, ‘I live! saith the Lord — to Me bow shall every knee, and every tongue shall confess to God;’”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:11‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

Going by your version of scripture quotes, I can attest to the fact that "to the age, but is in danger of age-during judgment;" is right NOW, ever since Pentacost, being the Age of God's Grace (2000+ years moving forward). John 3:18.

This present Age of God's Grace shall come to an abrupt halt and end on the Glorious Day of Christ's visible return from Heaven.
Yes indeed, every knee shall bow, acknowledging that Jesus IS Lord! For we, who are of faith in Him, our bowing will be caused out of love and obedience to the gospel of God, to our salvation. However, all else will bow out of fear and disobedience to the Gospel of God, to their loss of never having existence again, "as having never lived".

 

[Earburner]

Is this actually right? Have a think about that...
carefully!

The deeper question is: why have "the knowledge of good and evil" separate in the garden, when both the Father and the Son had it all along? Genesis 3:22
Ans. Either way, whether through the Tree of Life
(which they never ate of) or the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve would have received the knowledge of good and evil.
If they had eaten of the Tree of Life FIRST, they would have gained the knowledge of good and evil through God, and not by their own experiences of trial and error via satan.

 

[face2face]

The deeper question is: why have "the knowledge of good and evil" separate in the garden, when both the Father and the Son had it all along? Genesis 3:22]

Sorry Earburner, you mean the Elohim dont you?;) Jesus wasn't in existence for many thousands of years later!

It was the Elohim who said "let us make man in our image" Job 38:4 & Job 38:7

Let's not force the trinity on Genesis, it's bad enough to do so on the NT account.

Ans. Either way, whether through the Tree of Life
(which they never ate of) or the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve would have received the knowledge of good and evil. If they had eaten of the Tree of Life FIRST, they would have gained the knowledge of good and evil through God, and not by their own experiences of trial and error via satan.

It was your comment that this knowledge corrupted them which really isn't in the account - its the mean by which they tried to attain it, which is the offense.

I think you would agree that sin was not required to possess such knowledge. Could it be an expression of spiritual maturity and adulthood? It's clear Adam and Eve were innocent and immature and in no way could they comprehend experimentally the things that are good, and those things that are evil?

F2F

 

[MatthewG]

Going by your version of scripture quotes, I can attest to the fact that "to the age, but is in danger of age-during judgment;" is right NOW, ever since Pentacost, being the Age of God's Grace (2000+ years moving forward). John 3:18.

This present Age of God's Grace shall come to an abrupt halt and end on the Glorious Day of Christ's visible return from Heaven.
Yes indeed, every knee shall bow, acknowledging that Jesus IS Lord! For we, who are of faith in Him, our bowing will be caused out of love and obedience to the gospel of God, to our salvation. However, all else will bow out of fear and disobedience to the Gospel of God, to their loss of never having existence again, "as having never lived".

Earburner,
Okay, thank you for sharing your subjective view point. There was a point in my life where I use to believe Jesus would return one day now in the future however considering scriptures and what they offer my mind has changed toward all that. Thank you though for being open to share with me.

People may believe what they want, and I’m not here to judge honestly it is nice to converse with others, however about different views and things like that.

 

[Earburner]

Before he created Adam and Eve he already perceived the slain one on the cross before the foundations of the world, however he worked with the first-born materially nation of Israel.

Agreed!
Even more so, in God's foreknowledge, He had already planned for our salvation, knowing the end result of the Garden situation beforehand.

However (just speculating), even if they had eaten of the Tree of Life first, and had received eternal life right then and there, it would have been through Jesus, who is the Tree of Life, of whom would have dwelled within them, teaching them in their innocence, about the knowledge of good and evil.

As to the eternal Jesus, please consider His own words of prayer to His Father:
John.17[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

[MatthewG]

Yes, it is true if they would have eaten from the tree of life they would have lived forever. There is also other things Adam and Eve could have done too in the garden of Eden.

The great news is that because of Jesus Christ now today people are walking around in the garden of Eden choosing which tree they are eating of now today.

The tree of knowledge of Good and evil or the tree of life (Jesus Christ the Lord).

Because of Jesus and his return in 70 for the bride of Christ and bringing forth judgment and all of that on the first-born material one Israel, God has reestablished all things back to Himself through the firstborn of heaven and head all things Christ Yeshua.

Yeshua restored what Adam lost for all people. Now all either we turn towards God or we don’t.

That is what I believe anyway.

God bless brother, Earburner.

 

[Earburner]

Sorry Earburner, you mean the Elohim dont you?;) Jesus wasn't in existence for many thousands of years later!

It was the Elohim who said "let us make man in our image" Job 38:4 & Job 38:7

Let's not force the trinity on Genesis, it's bad enough to do so on the NT account.



It was your comment that this knowledge corrupted them which really isn't in the account - its the mean by which they tried to attain it, which is the offense.

I think you would agree that sin was not required to possess such knowledge. Could it be an expression of spiritual maturity and adulthood? It's clear Adam and Eve were innocent and immature and in no way could they comprehend experimentally the things that are good, and those things that are evil?

F2F

As I had shared with MathewG., I do also reply to your post:
As to the eternal Jesus, please consider His own words of prayer to His Father:
John.17[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

[face2face]

As I had shared with MathewG., I do also reply to your post:
As to the eternal Jesus, please consider His own words of prayer to His Father:
John.17[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

You are interpreting that verse with a bias as you are aware and looks like you are putting words in the mouth of Jesus which is not always a good idea. Maybe you could explore the various ways Jesus could say that without him being eternal ;)
Of you could it be said the same? Romans 9:23 & 2 Timothy 1:9?
It's that imagery thing again which keeps you all tripping over yourselves.

 

[Earburner]

It was your comment that this knowledge corrupted them which really isn't in the account - its the mean by which they tried to attain it, which is the offense.

Does innocense know or understand disobedience (what is right or what is wrong)?

BTW, I am of the Binitarian concept.

 

[Earburner]

You are interpreting that verse with a bias as you are aware and looks like you are putting words in the mouth of Jesus which is not always a good idea. Maybe you could explore the various ways Jesus could say that without him being eternal ;)
Of you could it be said the same? Romans 9:23 & 2 Timothy 1:9?
It's that imagery thing again which keeps you all tripping over yourselves.

Well OK. Let's try it this way:
Hebrews 10[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
[8] Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

 

[face2face]

Well OK. Let's try it this way:
Hebrews 10[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
[8] Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

True, God prepared a body that's for sure! and it's existence was of the seed of David (Romans 1:3 cmp Revelation 22:16 by necessity...and how he was in agony crucifying sins flesh every day till his ultimate baptism was accomplished. Luke 12:50

Imagine that Earburner...even after He is made Eternal he still see's his life and existence attributed to David!! ;)

You can run...but you cant hide!

 

[Earburner]

Yes, it is true if they would have eaten from the tree of life they would have lived forever. There is also other things Adam and Eve could have done too in the garden of Eden.

The great news is that because of Jesus Christ now today people are walking around in the garden of Eden choosing which tree they are eating of now today.

The tree of knowledge of Good and evil or the tree of life (Jesus Christ the Lord).

Because of Jesus and his return in 70 for the bride of Christ and bringing forth judgment and all of that on the first-born material one Israel, God has reestablished all things back to Himself through the firstborn of heaven and head all things Christ Yeshua.

Yeshua restored what Adam lost for all people. Now all either we turn towards God or we don’t.

That is what I believe anyway.

God bless brother, Earburner.

Amen! Thank you for your honesty and open mindedness. Its a rare thing among the many religious indoctrinated on board here. Your approach in these discussions is to be commended in fairness of conversing and your politeness in debate.
God bless you also, brother Matt.:)

 

[Earburner]

True, God prepared a body that's for sure! and it's existence was of the seed of David (Romans 1:3 cmp Revelation 22:16 by necessity...and how he was in agony crucifying sins flesh every day till his ultimate baptism was accomplished. Luke 12:50

Imagine that Earburner...even after He is made Eternal he still see's his life and existence attributed to David!! ;)

You can run...but you cant hide!

Hmmm...not after He was made eternal. No one who is not eternal can say: "I AM the resurrection".
Of course, through the lineage of the flesh of Mary, Jesus' physical, mortal body is of the seed of David. But before you get into genealogies, let's never lose sight of Who His Father is.