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The Israel of God is the body of Christ walking after His Spirit in natural bodies on earth.You are here trying to sneak in another equivalency.
There are two uses for "Israel", one being an ethnic group of people, and the other being those who are believing from among that ethnic group. Both uses can be easily demonstrated.
That one group is affirmed to be saved, and the "true Israel" does not negate the existence of the other group, ethnic Israel. And to ethnic Israel God made a number of promises which He will keep, in ironclad language that on it's face denies the possibility that Israel would do something, even to crucify their Christ, so that God would cast them all away.
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The Redeemer out of Sion has already come to remarry her, and she spit in His face.And yet when Israel left God, into their whoredoms, God even divorced Israel, but promised to remarry Her. And this was well before Jesus came "to the lost sheep of Israel", and NOT to the gentiles.
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Good deal.Like I said, it's what I believe.
It's still to come . . .The Redeemer out of Sion has already come to remarry her, and she spit in His face.
The marriage supper is still promised, and that will take place with whosoever believes Jesus to the end.It's still to come . . .
Revelation 19:6-9 KJV
6) And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7) Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8) And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9) And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
God promised!
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And yet when Israel left God, into their whoredoms, God even divorced Israel, but promised to remarry Her. And this was well before Jesus came "to the lost sheep of Israel", and NOT to the gentiles.And yet when Israel left God, into their whoredoms, God even divorced Israel, but promised to remarry Her. And this was well before Jesus came "to the lost sheep of Israel", and NOT to the gentiles.
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That's the lost sheep of the house of Israel, aka the northern kingdom. The NIV blew it on this one.And yet when Israel left God, into their whoredoms, God even divorced Israel, but promised to remarry Her. And this was well before Jesus came "to the lost sheep of Israel", and NOT to the gentiles.
It was prophesied well before Jesus came first to the lost sheep of Israel, and the divorce was fulfilled at the cross with the death of the Husband at the hands of the adulteress wife.
The risen Husband, being freed from the law of marriage to that old wife of flesh, has married a new bride born after the Spirit in natural bodies, as was Isaac: the green olive tree of the house of Israel and of Judah.
That old adulteress wife had Him crucified in order to take the inheritance for herself according to Jesus' prophecy (Mark 12), and when she did so, that whole house of Israel after the flesh was left to her desolate according to Jesus' prophecy (Matthew 23).
She went on to play the harlot in her own desolate nation and uncircumcised religion of the Jews. Her name is a mere byword of what it once was, which was prophesied they would become after all being cut off:
But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them: Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people. (1 Kings 9)
The risen God of Israel will never join Himself to an harlot (1 Cor 6). No matter how much men demand He do so to fulfill prophecy of Scripture, that they continue to errantly read without NT teaching of Scripture.
I cannot understand how others don't see what I see in this passage, that there is literally nothing Israel could do so that God would cast them away from Himself.
I can understand how someone could say such a thing, when they disassociate NT Scripture from OT prophecy.
And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. (Lev 20)
And so they were warned likewise, because God is not a respecter of persons with them that do the same things:
But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them: Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people. (1 Kings 9)
All the natural people were cut off and and the natural branches broken off at the cross, and now behold all branches are new and of God by the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. Pretty simple. God promised he would do so 'if', even though men try to say He couldn't, even 'if'. God was not bluffing, nor is Scripture a lie.
So long as the sun and moon and stars are following God's ordinance for them, then Israel will remain a nation before God.
When the God of Israel was in the heart of the earth for 3 days, he was not reigning over the moon and the stars. They were not shining by His ordnance at that time, but by that of His Father still in heaven. Israel after the flesh died as a people of God, and was buried with the God of Israel. He rose again. They did not as a natural nation of people.
That old nation is as dead and gone and decayed to vanishing as that old covenant made between themselves and the God of Israel.
The Israel that remains a nation of God on earth is the grafted house of Israel and of Judah alive and remaining on earth in natural bodies.
That one group is affirmed to be saved, and the "true Israel" does not negate the existence of the other group, ethnic Israel.
The authenticate does not negate the counterfeit. But it does expose it as such.
Scripture speaking for the first time of 'Israel after the flesh', shows plainly they are now in name only.
And to ethnic Israel God made a number of promises which He will keep.
1. God already kept them, when He came to confirm them (Rom 15:8), and they rejected His promises and killed Him, so they could have the inheritance for themselves.
Now the promises made to Abraham and his seed, which is Christ, are kept to an Israel born after the Spirit, as was Isaac, and walk in the steps of their father Abraham.
2. The only promise made to the natural children of Israel was to keep them as My people Israel, 'if'. Which ended at the cross for all of them.
Jesus was not falsely prophesying that they would all forsake Him at the end. They did not believe that prophesy, and they did not believe He would rise again from the dead. And so, Scripture is true, when it says they were thus all concluded in unbelief, for which they were cut off as a natural people of God.
3. The promise to Abraham was to himself and his seed. His seed is Christ, not the natural children of Israel.
Israel after the flesh was never the promised seed:
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made...Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
And so by NT teaching of Scripture that seed is Christ, and only the children of that seed are now the children of promise of Abraham: they are the promised seed to become as the multitude of stars in number.
The natural people were not, are not, and never shall be that seed by birth of flesh. They will go the way of all flesh and die out in the end.
in ironclad language that on it's face denies the possibility that Israel would do something, even to crucify their Christ, so that God would cast them all away.
It was forever impossible for Satan to prevent the promised seed from coming into the world. The prophecy was sure from the beginning: It shall bruise thy head. That is ironclad Scripture.
The only impossibility pertaining to the promise of God to Abraham and his seed is: Those natural branches could never stop Him from coming into the world, and so not fulfill the promise to Abraham and to his seed.
And He fulfilled his promise to those branches to cut them all off and lay the whole land waste, if He had to, in order to do so. Which of course had to include Himself as The Branch of Israel, made of a woman and the seed of David according to the flesh.
The God of Israel was willing to die on the cross, if necessary, to remove the promise He made to a natural people, if those people were standing in the way of the promised seed: those born of Christ.
They did before and after the cross:
For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. (1 Thess 2)
And now it is impossible for the dragon and any uncircumcised nation on earth, such as Israel after the flesh, to stop the risen God of Israel from bringing in many firstborn seed as the stars of the sky for multitude.
so that God would cast them all away.
And so the main objection is not casting away of Israel after all, but casting them all away. Which is understandable, considering a remnant of the captivity will return according to prophecy of Scripture of old.
But once again with NT Scripture, we see that all Israel after the flesh was cast away for unbelief at the cross: all were concluded in sin and unbelief. All forsook Him. None believed He would rise again, especially not His own disciples and chosen apostles, who still would not believe with witness from a woman and then two men.
All prophesies of the last days speak of a thorough cleaning of the land of Israel and Judah and Jerusalem, even as the wiping of a dish like unto Samaria (Is 10:11).
But then there is the remnant return from captivity: the tabernacle of David being built again from scratch, which the Lord now pitches by His Spirit and circumcision of heart.
The church and body of Jesus Christ on earth is the children of the promised seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, being born after the Spirit as was Isaac, with that seed in them: Christ in you the hope of glory.
They are the prophesied remnant returned from the captivity of the whole world, being born in sin and uncircumcised of heart. That remnant are now born of the Spirit and walking in natural bodies on earth: they are holy nation and royal priesthood of the covenant of God made with Abraham and fulfilled with His seed: Jesus Christ and His many brethren grafted into the house of Israel and of Jacob.
Perhaps a difference is that I don't consider OT prophecy to be abrogated by NT Scritpure.I can understand how someone could say such a thing, when they disassociate NT Scripture from OT prophecy.
The niv blew it on a whole lot more than that my friend . A whole mess more .That's the lost sheep of the house of Israel, aka the northern kingdom. The NIV blew it on this one.
And yet when Israel left God, into their whoredoms, God even divorced Israel, but promised to remarry Her. And this was well before Jesus came "to the lost sheep of Israel", and NOT to the gentiles.
It was prophesied well before Jesus came first to the lost sheep of Israel, and the divorce was fulfilled at the cross with the death of the Husband at the hands of the adulteress wife.
The risen Husband, being freed from the law of marriage to that old wife of flesh, has married a new bride born after the Spirit in natural bodies, as was Isaac: the green olive tree of the house of Israel and of Judah.
That old adulteress wife had Him crucified in order to take the inheritance for herself according to Jesus' prophecy (Mark 12), and when she did so, that whole house of Israel after the flesh was left to her desolate according to Jesus' prophecy (Matthew 23).
She went on to play the harlot in her own desolate nation and uncircumcised religion of the Jews. Her name is a mere byword of what it once was, which was prophesied they would become after all being cut off:
They are the prophesied remnant returned from the captivity of the whole world, being born in sin and uncircumcised of heart. That remnant are now born of the Spirit and walking in natural bodies on earth: they are holy nation and royal priesthood of the covenant of God made with Abraham and fulfilled with His seed: Jesus Christ and His many brethren grafted into the house of Israel and of Jacob.
I don't consider OT prophecy to be abrogated by NT Scritpure.Perhaps a difference is that I don't consider OT prophecy to be abrogated by NT Scritpure.
I believe there is a harmony.
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'Look unto Me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth:In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory. (Is 45:45)
All the seed of Israel in the Lord are justified with Him. All that are justified with the Lord are in Him and are seed of Israel.
All the seed of Israel are children of the God of Israel. All born of the God of Israel are the seed and children of the Israel of God.
There is no seed of Israel not born the children of the God of Israel, and are neither in Him nor justified with Him.
All Israel of God is now saved, because all that are of Israel are Israel. No more is there any of Israel that are not Israel, because all of Israel are born of the seed of the God of Israel: the Redeemer out of Sion has come, and the prophecy of His coming is fulfilled.
Unless,
The children of the God of Israel are not children of Israel.
The children of God of Israel born of His seed, are not the seed of Israel.
The holy olive tree of the God of Israel is not the Israel of God, or not all grafted into the olive tree of God are come in to the Israel of God.
And when He comes a 2nd time, it will not be for the unbelieving Israel after the flesh, but for the believing saints everywhere on earth and in the earth:
You are missing the information in Romans 11, you definitely need to learn what it says.You are missing the information in Romans 11, you definitely need to learn what it says.
God has not cast out national Israel, nor is through with them, and in fact salvation came to the gentiles to make unbelieving Israel Jealous, the gentiles are grafted onto the Olive tree of Israel by faith - we don’t have a separate covenant - there’s no such thing as a church covenant, and most of Israel is blinded temporarily, and is ungodly, until the age of the gentiles is fulfilled, and Jesus comes out of Zion as the deliverer and turns them from unrighteousness, THEN Jacob becomes godly, and all Israel alive to see Jesus return, believes, and is saved.
Jesus in fact returns to Mount Olive and Jerusalem at His second coming, Zechariah 14:5, ( to set up His eternal kingdom on earth, and reign from the throne of David in Jerusalem), and saves that Israeli city from destruction.
He comes to mount Olive with all the saints, verse 5, who are all who believed in Jesus and have been saved, Greek or Jew, male or female, slave or free, there is no difference.
In the meantime realize national Israel (the HOUSE of Israel) remains Gods covenant people, we have to be grafted as wild Olive branches - among the natural branches - onto the Israeli Olive tree, and Jesus is the roots of that tree, all per Romans 11, Hebrews 8,9 and 10, and Jeremiah 31.
Shalom Aleichem
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The Israel of God is the body of Christ walking after His Spirit in natural bodies on earth.
Absolutely wrong. Read Romans 11:1-2.You are missing the information in Romans 11, you definitely need to learn what it says.
You are reading into interpretation of OT prophecy that is missing NT Scriptures. You definitely need to learn what it says without the preconceived OT scholarship.
Romans 11 is not Scripture declaring the natural seed is still the people of God with promise of Abraham.
The promise to Abraham's seed, even as the covenant, is now the covenant promise of God to Christ's seed, Him being the one promised seed to come (Gal 3), and so the firstborn of many seed as stars of the sky.
The 'Abrahamic' covenant is now only kept and confirmed in Christ.
Romans 11 is to warn us not to be high minded about their being broken off, and thinking that natural people can never have promise of God again, after crucifying the promised seed to come. They can be grafted in again for the faithful fathers' sake.
They are not believed for their natural birth of flesh. There is no more such profit in the flesh with God:
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing.
The grafted in ones are now the only promised seed of Abraham, born by promise and quickened after the Spirit, as was Isaac. (Gal 4)
Absolutely wrong.Absolutely wrong. Read Romans 11:1-2.