The Tabernacle of the Heart

[Helen]

[21] For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. [22] And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

1) can not deny in both parables it is an hard man to please

And many today still attribute that nature to God.
The man in the parable was making excuses.
He did not KNOW his Master...he did not 'see' the heart of his Master.
Psalm 18 " to the pure, you show yourself pure, and to the morally corrupt, you appear to be perverse."

The man could only believe his own perception of his Master!!
We cannot see straight , out of a crooked heart!
A strong verse that we need to remember is Matt 7:2
“For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

Judge God merciful and Loving at all times ...for that is correct..for God IS Love. His whole nature IS.

Whoops, got a bit rambling there. :) x

 

[Helen]

And how do you do study if there is no debate at times?

That would require everybody be of identical beliefs.

It means scripture presented and congenial conversation without the icy cold barbs .

 

[Helen]

Same answer.

But if all the threads were meant to be the same...the Administrators would not have chosen to divide them into categories.

There are for sure debate boards, so named. But this is not them.
And it gets hot and heavy sometimes on the debate threads.
People must learn how to disagree agreeably without putting the other person down outside the debate boards.
It is not hard.
But maybe you mother did not teach you how to play nice with others. :)

 

[CoreIssue]

But if all the threads were meant to be the same...the Administrators would not have chosen to divide them into categories.

There are for sure debate boards, so named. But this is not them.
And it gets hot and heavy sometimes on the debate threads.
People must learn how to disagree agreeably without putting the other person down outside the debate boards.
It is not hard.
But maybe you mother did not teach you how to play nice with others. :)

I have Owned and administrated forums for 15+ years.

You want to kill a category real quick? Do not allow debate. If people have a choice between silence and and leaving, they will leave.

 

[amadeus]

I’m not really certain, but it seems your saying that God doesn’t have the power to finish the work he’s started, that I in some way I am responsible?

God certainly has the power and whatever power we have that can get the job done right has been provided by Him. Alone we can do nothing, but with God in us, all things are possible. God does expect us to do all that we can and being then on His side, He will supply whatever is necessary according to His will.

 

[Helen]

I have Owned and administrated forums for 15+ years.

You want to kill a category real quick? Do not allow debate. If people have a choice between silence and and leaving, they will leave.

Okay, whatever.

Yet this forum is doing fine..and they have many category and rules..it has thrived for many years.

 

[CoreIssue]

Okay, whatever.

Yet this forum is doing fine..and they have many category and rules..it has thrived for many years.

Board Merger with CFS

 

[CoreIssue]

It means scripture presented and congenial conversation without the icy cold barbs .

That is what I prefer but still debate.

 

[CoreIssue]

And many today still attribute that nature to God.
The man in the parable was making excuses.
He did not KNOW his Master...he did not 'see' the heart of his Master.
Psalm 18 " to the pure, you show yourself pure, and to the morally corrupt, you appear to be perverse."

The man could only believe his own perception of his Master!!
We cannot see straight , out of a crooked heart!
A strong verse that we need to remember is Matt 7:2
“For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

Judge God merciful and Loving at all times ...for that is correct..for God IS Love. His whole nature IS.

Whoops, got a bit rambling there. :) x

So much easier to understand im modern English.

Luke 19:21 NIV
21 I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’
or KJV
21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.

Please do not tell me that is an easy read for most in the KJV.

 

[Helen]

So much easier to understand im modern English.

Luke 19:21 NIV
21 I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’
or KJV
21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.

Please do not tell me that is an easy read for most in the KJV.

Core. I am 77 years old, and have been reading the KJV since I was 22.
It is too late for me...I THINK in the King James.

If ever my EYES are reading a different translation my MIND subconsciously transposes it over into KJV,...I can't help it!!! :)

 

[CoreIssue]

Core. I am 77 years old, and have been reading the KJV since I was 22.
It is too late for me...I THINK in the King James.

If ever my EYES are reading a different translation my MIND subconsciously transposes it over into KJV,...I can't help it!!! :)

I understand.

I switched from KJV to the NIV in the 70s after much study and listening to linguists debate KJV versus NIV.

They all agreed linguistically the NIV was superior.

A big issue was people trying to claim KJV is word for word.

Fallacy is there is no such thing nor can there be. Languages just do not work that way.

Today KJVO rely on scholars. But scholars are not linguists.

 

[bbyrd009]

Via repentance yes. Calvinism no.

Didn't we clear up this Debate thing yesterday?
Let the blind lead

 

[marks]

Let's try this.

I believe that God has presented us with a picture of the human heart in the description of the tabernacle. Unlike the physical heart which has 4 chambers...the invisible part of the heart has half that many (no surprise there)....namely 2 parts. There is the larger part and the smaller part divided as exactly 2/3 + 1/3.

The tabernacle is thus divided into the holy part and the MOST holy part. (see the above drawing). That makes 2 levels of holiness. (See the thread on that subject on this forum).

In the human heart there is a veil....just as in the tabernacle (the parochet)...which is torn asunder to bring the heart/tabernacle into oneness. Jesus ripped down the veil in the temple by His death.....and the circumcision of the heart does the same thing within us....so that the 2 chambers become one...or rather that we proceed to a deeper relationship and holiness with God.

When we are circumcised in the heart...our hearts are said to have been united.

Teach me Your way, O Lord; I will walk in Your truth; unite my heart to fear Your name” (Psalm 86:11).

As long as we remain uncircumcised in the heart we remain divided within...stuck in Romans 7...so how can we expect unity in the church?

I think that as long as we remain unsubmitted to God's Word that there will not be unity.

Stuck in Roman 7, eh? Just like Paul? He's describing the condition of being a born-again pre-resurrection human.

Circumcision of the heart happens at regeneration, and does not constitute your "deeper holiness" or however you call it. This is not a Second Level Christian. We are one in Him.

Tearing the veil, and tearing the membrane in our heart? Hm. Pretty and all . . . You state that are hearts are called "united" after our circumcision of the heart.

Where? I can't think of that passage, and perhaps if you remind me where it is it will shed some light.

I fail to see how your belief that God fashioned His Mobile Temple after an human organ.

I don't think that the heart that is circumcised is the muscle that pumps our blood. I think God's talking about the removing of the flesh nature, and making us a new man.

Something that only happens once, mind you. Not twice.

And it's by faith, not works, so no boasting.

Much love!
Mark

 

[bbyrd009]

Just say you can't see or don't understand instead of offering a pathetic opinion that does nothing. Don't be like an unbeliever that gets in the way of the advancement of others.

ha well he does make a good point imo
The heart is deceitful above all things?

note that you were not required to respond to his post if you did not feel it was pertinent,
but you did choose to respond nonetheless, right

 

[bbyrd009]

Hebrews 10:20 KJV
[20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Tecarta Bible

not in the Epi Bible I guess huh

 

[marks]

So then to be overcomers we must first surrender all to Christ.

Not.

Not that I argue against surrendering all to Christ, just the same, let's be clear:

1 John 5:4-5 "For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?"

Faith in Jesus makes us overcomers. Not what we do. What we believe. Not of works. Of faith.

1 John 4:4 "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."

Not what we do. What He did.

Much love!
Mark

 

[bbyrd009]

So pls understand Epi I'm not sure the point of the op, might be a good start on something, dunno, but you could use these to refine the model I guess? Seems to me those in here debating points would be just as quick to applaud a good model fwiw

 

[marks]

To a dogmatic...bible verse person...of course. Do you think one needs the Holy Spirit to do verse searches?

You say this like it's a perjorative. Very telling indeed!

You can just call me a "man of the Book".

Much love!
Mark

 

[bbyrd009]

Not.

Not that I argue against surrendering all to Christ, just the same, let's be clear:

1 John 5:4-5 "For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?"

Faith in Jesus makes us overcomers. Not what we do. What we believe. Not of works. Of faith.

1 John 4:4 "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."

Not what we do. What He did.

Much love!
Mark

i can't see any diff there, sounds like you're agreeing in raised voices now wadr.

and regardless of the flowery language I doubt Jesus is picking up anyone's cross for them

 

[bbyrd009]

Faith in Jesus makes us overcomers. Not what we do. What we believe. Not of works. Of faith

be easier to agree if you hadn't conflated faith and belief, which is pretty obviously a work imo