The Ten Commandments—What happened?

[Cooper]

Unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees (who were sticklers for the law), you will in no wise enter in to the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:20).

Read the last verse in that same chapter., but not in the ASV. It tells us we are "to be perfect" The writer is taking us to the conclusion step by step. Look, we are only fit for the Kingdom of heaven, "perfect" if we have been washed in the blood of the Lamb, our sins washed away and made whiter than snow.
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[Brakelite]

Outwardly, their righteousness was impeccable...because they were sticklers for the law. And that is the point that Jesus was making. Compare Matthew 5:48.

I don't think there was a great deal of outward righteous behavior when they were bustling Jesus toward a cliff top... Conspiring to kill Him... Paying judas to be a traitor... Screaming crucify Him, crucify Him"", unjustly going through a farce of a trial... Persecuting His followers and killing them and jailing them...
They may have observed religious requirements like keeping feasts and killing lambs etc, but I wouldn't mistake that for fulfilling outwardly righteous requirements of the law. And there are many who religiously observe the ten commandments but that isn't righteousness.
So many here claim they don't keep the ten commandments, some even say it's impossible to do so, others to the extreme of claiming they don't need to, still others claim they no longer exist. It's a strange antipathy the so called people of God have to the one and only time God literally wrote anything with His own finger for man's sake. And then proudly proclaim everyone else should be thinking the same as they, and on another thread possibly claiming to be leading the church in revival because they have the Spirit.
Now for all of you reading this and getting triggered and dreaming up all manner of accusations that I'm legalust and telling me that keeping the commandments doesn't save anyone, just please take note that I didn't say that. And as @BarnyFife asked a little earlier, please present an argument for the demise of the law that doesn't include the charge of Galatianism. We are not talking about circumcision. Blood sacrifices. Temple worship. Priesthood. Ritual washing. Incense and bread and candles and, oh wait....

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Colossians 1:27, Galatians 2:20 were not inspired by the Spirit of Christ?

Don't shift the goal posts, it's YOU who are not inspired by the Spirit of Christ!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Obedience is legalism.
Obedienve is legalism.
Can anyone come up with an argument against obedience that is not a straw man?

Now that makes no sense - cannot make sense -- not to anyone --- ever. Legalism ... I'll show you a slide...

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

We naturally obey what is righteous because of the divine nature of the Spirit within us, that has changed us 180 degrees from the sin nature we had that was in opposition to the law. Jesus said, we MUST be born again. Also, anyone without the empowering Spirit of Christ INSIDE them, doesn't belong to Him.

How can you say, <<the divine nature of the Spirit>>, <<within us>>? The spirit within us, lady, is wicked, so wicked it will lie to us it is the Spirit of the Divine. It CANNOT be The Divine Spirit if it is in us. Simple as that.


Your doctrine answers 'Man' to question 1;
Your spirit answers 'In me' to question 2;
Your teaching answers 'in the charismatic traditions of the Church' to question 3.

So how can you be trusted? I won't trust you for nothing.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

"Righteous requirements of the law of Christ" makes no sense to me.

You're right. I understand it to imply unrighteous requirements of the law of Christ, and that's really bad.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

if I simply drive below the speed limit, I won't even get pulled over. Laws are meant to be kept. This discussion will never end. I do not believe that the ten commandments have been replaced by a vague, mystical love code. I don't believe the Bible teaches such a thing, and 100 years ago, no one would even have suggested such a thing. There has been no enlightenment or awakening in the last century. Instead, the church has, by-and-large, experienced an information glut and spiritual decline. Even Billy Graham affirmed the ten commandments, including the 4th. The Christian church is in apostasy today. The pendulum swings but it never pauses in the middle. Always heading for, or in position of, extremes.

Good! Amen

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Following of your own free will.

Now I think I see, Barny Fife meant it rhetorically -- <<BarnyFife said: ↑
Obedience is legalism.
Obedienve is legalism.
Can anyone come up with an argument against obedience that is not a straw man?>>

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

If someone told me to lie, steal, kill, etc. my immediate reaction would be to step back in horror. Not because of any law, that is simply how I am, the thought of harming another is simply abhorrent to me. I am shocked that people can even confess to having these thoughts while claiming to be a Christian.

Really? Shocking, these thoughts YOU HAVE while claiming to be a Christian.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

(Tony Cardenas)
“Then, I say, this perfect, complete obedience of Christ to the Law is reckoned unto us. As there is a truth in that, “The day thou eatest thou shalt die,”—death is the reward of sin, and so we cannot be freed from death but by the death of Christ, Heb. ii. 14, 15; so also is that no less true, “Do this, and live,”—that life is not to be obtained unless all be done that the Law requires. That is still true, “If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments,” Matt. xix. 17.”-John Owen, Of Communion With the Son Jesus Christ (1657).

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Not at His Baptism, but his resurrection. He fulfilled it all by the time he arose. His death being the capstone. There is no more law for righteousness. When one gets saved the very righteousness of Jesus is imputed to them!

Ag shaim

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Well I can't apologize if you get sick of the truth! I for one rejoice I don't have to earn righteousness. I prefer to quote SCripture about Godly things rather than being original.

Carrying on on the same junk train preferring to quote Scripture BUT NEVER QUOTING SCRIPTURE ACTUALLY.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

BarnyFife said: ↑
Where in the Bible does it say Christ "fulfilled" the law at His resurrection?

Romans 10:4. Why are you so outspoken if you know so little?

touch wood

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Great! Backlit told me that the SDA church is changing their emphasis a lot. But up until 50 years ago when I left the SDA denomination, it was all about the Law. I never heard them talk about the Spirit, let alone walking in the Spirit.

What do you believe that entails, and how do you receive the Spirit?

I came to the exact opposite impression about the SDA as I have about YOU! Only difference between you is you call your legalism 'spirit' and they call their spirituality 'law'.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

What do you believe that entails, and how do you receive the Spirit?

Hell, as if it is for the method <how> to <receive the Spirit>?! Boisterous blapshemy!

 

[CharismaticLady]

But that State that fools called Israel is not worthy of Jesus Christ in fact, so it's Anti-Christ in fact ! no Christian can support such a thing at all. that's like going back to your vomit and totally rejecting Jesus Christ in fact. it's as simple as that.

They will not be saved at all in fact, how is God going to do such ? if God could of done such he would of back in the day when Jesus walked on earth, so such does not make any sense at all.

Then again show me one person who can prove that they are 100% Jewish blood line, there is not even one in fact. not to mention that such a blood line means nothing at all, when one understands that the only way to God is through his only begotten Son, as no one ! no one comes to the Father but only through his only begotten Son, now fact is that it does not say anything that the Jewish blood line cut it.
Only the Jewish blood line can know the Father, No ! they never knew the Father in fact ! the only worthy Jews were the ones who came to Jesus Christ, due to faith.
Without faith how can one come to know him or the Father, for they do not have the Holy Spirit ! that's a fact.

All The so called Jews nowadays are nothing but totally lost as to God in fact, they are heading down the wrong path, they are not even doing truly regarding of the OT in fact and that proves that they are not even worthy to be regarded as true Jews for a start, their is under 10% of the so called Jews who are some what worthy of the OT, but even their faith in Holy Moses is dismal, now if they did truly abide in Holy Moses then they would be on the same path as the disciples were on, it's because they truly followed believing in Holy Moses that they could see Jesus was the Christ in fact. that's the key for all Jews must follow.

Now how are the Jews today going to turn around and follow Holly Moses for a start, fat chance of that. let alone coming to put their faith is Jesus Christ. not even the so called messianic Jews truly believe or truly have faith in Jesus Christ in fact, for if they did they would believe and become Christians in fact. it's that simple. Jesus said you shall know them by their works, there is the proof ! directly. The Messianic so called Jew is not believing in Jesus Christ at all, they are waiting for another Jesus, fact is they are rejecting Jesus Christ in fact, or they would become Christians in fact. as I said before the Bible says you shall know them by their works and their is the proof, they are totally lacking of faith in Jesus Christ in fact.

All that is why they were partially blinded. But the Scriptures say that God is not a man that He should lie. He will keep His promises, and the ones He fulfills in present day Israel are in preparation to unblind them, then all national Israel will become saved.

 

[BarneyFife]

Ag shaim

The goal posts move all the time around here.

 

[BarneyFife]

All that is why they were partially blinded. But the Scriptures say that God is not a man that He should lie. He will keep His promises, and the ones He fulfills in present day Israel are in preparation to unblind them, then all national Israel will become saved.

Except for the ones who died lost. Hardly seems fair to them, eh?

 

[Cooper]

Except for the ones who died lost. Hardly seems fair to them, eh?

If they had the same faith as the patriarchs they will be alright.
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[BarneyFife]

Hell, as if it is for the method <how> to <receive the Spirit>?! Boisterous blapshemy!

Could you rephrase that? I can't understand it.