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The Three that Bear Witness 1 John 5:7-9

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  1. quietthinker

    quietthinker Well-Known Member

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    you've missed the point!
     
  2. OneIsTheWord

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    Greetings
    maybe this can help
    Col 2:9 (NKJV) For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;

    Romans 1:19-24 (KJV) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
    Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
    Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
    Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:

    Acts 17:29 (KJV) Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

    Mark 9:23-24 (NKJV) Jesus said to him, "If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes."
    Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, "Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!"
     
  3. ScottA

    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    You asked a question. I answered.

    Rephrase if you like. Or not.
     
  4. quietthinker

    quietthinker Well-Known Member

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    Dissecting the anatomy of a hand and knowing its constituent parts is a far cry from 'hearing' a tender touch!
     
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    quietthinker Well-Known Member

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    The Father sent the Son for what? wasn't it to be a witness? The Son came as a witness to what? The Spirit's purpose is to impress on the understanding of the hearers this witness.....what is it? ie, what are they witnessing to?

    If you were in a courtroom for the purpose of being a witness, you are there for a specific purpose. If you start waffling on about something not related to what you claim to have witnessed, you'll be thrown out by the Judge......you'd be categorised as a waffler not a witness.
     
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    I heard you the first time, and answered with the truth. In which case, the Judge knows the truth and will not throw me out.

    Or was that you judging?
     
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    You're not getting it Scott. You heard my words but you didn't hear its objective. Think laterally!
     
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    Yes I understand, I see your point
    Please bear will me
    As regards 1 John 5:7-9...
    [/QUOTE]“For there are three witness bearers: the spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
    If we accept the witness of men, the witness of God is greater. Because this is the witness God gives, the witness that he has given about his Son.”

    the three are, one the spirit of God as I understand, by water is Holy Spirit, and by blood, John the baptist confirmed Christ is Christ
    Christ came by water and blood, this is manifest in the flesh
    the three are confirmed, a man, John the baptist confirmed Christ

    John 1:6-13 (NKJV)There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
    This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe.
    He was not that Light but
    was sent to bear witness of that Light.
    That was the true Light that gives light to every man coming into the world.
    He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
    He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
    But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
    who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God?


    In Matthew 3:13-17 (NKJV)Then Jesus came from Galilee to John the baptist at the Jordan to be baptized by him.
    And John tried to prevent Him, saying, "I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?"
    But Jesus answered and said to him, "Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Then he allowed Him.
    When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.
    And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

    Three that bear witness

    1 Tim 3:14-16 (KJV) These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly: But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

    God was manifest in the flesh,

    Justified in the Spirit, seen of angels,

    Preached unto the Gentiles,

    Believed on in the world,

    Received up into glory.
    The Resurrection

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    LOL....:D some of us don’t have the attention span of a goldfish, and actually like to read well presented information...it’s how we learn.....well some of us appreciate the effort, anyway.....:p

    Now, as for your last comment.....
    You must be good at cryptic crosswords because I find your references to be very cryptic, so as to be most ambiguous....can you not speak in straight up English? I am no good at riddles.....:confused:
     
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    In fact, the opposite is true. Jesus said his Father, who alone is the true God, is greater than he is. :eek:

    An odd thing, indeed, to say if you are God incarnate.
     
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    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    You're not being clear, nor have you explained yourself.

    Whatever.
     
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    Answer: That Jesus is NOT God, incarnate, but the Anointed. Who was Jesus Anointed by? By the LORD God almighty, not his Father but our Father. At least, according to Jesus and how he taught us to pray.
     
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    Being tangential and ambiguous is his thing. :rolleyes:
     
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    I suppose those who write lots of words to explain something simple assume they have the attention span of something great.

    There is a good reason Solomon writes 'a fool is known by his many words'

    I also think that the brevity of all the recorded words of Jesus in his 3 1/2 year ministry is deliberate. His parables are intended to stimulate thought as opposed to pouring out pseudo wisdom.

    The danger of 'lots of words' is that men get lost in their justifications to keep their ego's in tact......they do this because they cannot see the often obvious.
     
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    Are there any benefits? For instance, many would say that God could not get his point across without writing 66 books, are also 'lots of words'. Does that mean God is also foolish per Solomon's maxim?
     
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    look at it like this Scott.....the lack of clarity you experience is not in the lack of my explanation but rather your inability to hear and process a simple question
    You might ask yourself why that is the case; there is a reason for it!
     
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    Those 66 books span a record of human history, approx 4000 yrs.....you think there are too many words? Look up the recorded history of let's say America in the last 200 yrs. There are probably that many books written they wouldn't all fit into the back of your local pick up truck.....it'll give a perspective.
     
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    No, not the problem, I have the mind of Christ. In which case, the whole matter has only brought you more foolishly into the light.

    But, still willing, I am, if you would like to try comprehensive English.
     
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    Not an answer to my 2 simple yes or no questions:
    1. Are there any benefits to using 'lots of words'?
    2. Is God foolish for using 'lots of words' per Solomon's maxim?
    Yes or no?
     
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    By your own admission, you don't understand the question.....now that's a curious thing!

    What were they witnesses to? ...to what? Is this question really that difficult?
    Considering that the religious folk in Jesus day didn't understand his objectives/ purposes, could it be that the same blindness/inability to see, is still prevalent?

    Men build Cathedrals and all the associated pomp.....funny hats, bells and smells and what not else all in the name of worshipping Jesus.
    Men establish theological colleges and give each other titles that are nothing short of blasphemous because somehow it validates their egos.

    Men engage is countless lengthy discourses in an attempt to explain a carpenter's trajectory but only for the purpose of making proselytes to their own imagined course. They assume that when Jesus said 'come to me all you who are heavy laden and I will give you rest' is an invitation to build institutions to fleece the people and fill their own coffers.

    Men take the simple and invert it. Men take the easy to understand and shut their eyes to it because it doesn't fit their perceptions......and when their eyes are closed they boast about their vision.

    The question is simple......what are the The Father, the Son and the Spirit witnesses to?
     
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