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The Truth About Hell

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Christian Mystic, Mar 2, 2009.

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  1. Christina

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    QUOTE (Christian Mystic @ Mar 11 2009, 11:50 AM)
    I find it interesting that those who believe that God will torture people forever or destroy them forever all believe that they themselves are not going to face said fate...yet they gladly relegate 99% of mankind to this fate.The Greek Septugent uses the aionios for "everlasting" here also....Genesis 49:26The blessings of thy father have prevailedabove the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmostbound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head ofJoseph, and on the crown of the head of him that wasseparate from his brethren.So when the earth is burned up...will these hills remain forever? Aionios is best translated "age enduring" and can easily speak of a vast age wherein the end is unknown. The Western mind often misses this important point.
    Amen to your post Mystic ... Only men seem to get some satifaction out of the idea of people being tortured and burned for eternity and then say they Worship a loving God...seems rather contradictory ...and as ignores verse's to the contrary ...
     
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    Something to remember is that the term "soul" isn't interpreted biblically the way Neo-Platonic metaphysics would interpret it. You see the term "soul" as meaning the intangable part of a being. Adam, while having a body, was a "living soul". A soul is comprized of both material and immaterial aspects. When a person dies their body is dead and the immaterial aspect of the soul is disembodied. This makes that immaterial soul incomplete. therefore it can be said that it is destroyed or is dead. A soul is only made whole when reunited with it's body in the Resurrection. The Bible doesn't teach soul destruction.Religion teaches that a vindictive God who burns or destroys people forever. A true experience with God will show one otherwise. Consider near death experiences. Nearly every near death experience is the same...there is a tunnel...there is a light of unmached glory. This light is benevolent and loving. There is what is known as a "life review" and then some have been told that they must return to life while others found themselves cast into the darkness where there were torments. Upon calling out for salvation they were saved and then experienced being sent back to earth to make right the wrongs they'd committed. These experiences are in full harmony with what I believe the Lord has shown me in Scripture regarding the universal reconciliation of all men. Some have been told by God first hand that Hell isn't eternal and that it's purpose is to purify the soul. I believe that those who teach that God will burn people or destroy people forever are simply accepting a fundamentalist and extremist misinterpretation of the Bible.
     
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    Christian Mystic,You don't have any idea what you are talking about! [​IMG]
     
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    QUOTE (tomwebster @ Mar 11 2009, 03:29 PM)
    Christian Mystic,You don't have any idea what you are talking about! [​IMG]
    Do you believe that God will burn or destroy a 16 year old Hindu girl who never heard the Gospel before forever? Jesus spoke about those who knew the master's will being given many stripes while those who knew not were given few stripes. This clearly indicates that God delivers just and proportional punishment. Also note... for one to receive more stripes than the other, each of their punishments have to have been only temporary. Their Hell was only to correct and purify them...God doesn't rejoice in torments or destruction. Warn men of Hell's flame...for most will face it. If they are wise they will turn to Christ now before having to endure the "kolasis" of the wicked and unbelieving.
     
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    QUOTE (Christian Mystic @ Mar 11 2009, 02:07 PM)
    QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 11 2009, 01:57 PM)
    The saddest thing is, you have little to none understanding of what I said in my posts...especially Christina. And from reading your posts, you seem to lack understanding His reads. Things I do notice of your posts is1. Disagreeing Free Will (John 3:16, John 14:15)2. Second Death (The literal destroy of one's soul) (Ezekiel 18:4, 20, Revelation 20:14 and one more... John 3:16 word: perish)And lastly, nobody yet made a % of man's lost, but you... so be care what you say, cause, we don't make an estimation on what we think how many souls are going to e killed, because that's God's job. He is the Judge.
    Just because you believe that God will DESTROY the soul (which isn't what the Bible teaches by the way) it doesn't mean that somehow you've improved God's tarnished image in some way. A God who would destroy a 16 year old Hindu girl who never heard the Gospel is a monster. To say God could or would do this is blasphemy.First of all, you have completely lacking understanding in my posts. Did I not mention this earlier in my posts in which you are ignoring?QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 10 2009, 10:38 PM)
    ...And there will also be Free Will in the Millennium Reign as well. After it's over it's Judgment Day. ...
    Lastly, if you don't believe God. Why did God say He will kill Satan then? And Satan is one of His son. (Isaiah 14:15, Ezekiel 28:18, John 17:12)
     
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    Even ancient and modern Judaism acknowledges that what we call Hell is only a place for souls to be corrected before entering into God's presence. It is only the fundamentalist extremists of Christianity that demand that God must be a monster who burns or destroys the majority of mankind forever. Do any of you have a loved one who died without knowing Christ?
     
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    Christian Mystic,Where did you get your silly notion that, "99% are doomed?" Certainly not from Scripture. What do you think the millennium is all about? Who is going to be there? Why are there teachers?
     
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    QUOTE (tomwebster @ Mar 11 2009, 03:39 PM)
    Christian Mystic,Where did you get your silly notion that, "99% are doomed?" Certainly not from Scripture. What do you think the millennium is all about? Who is going to be there? Why are there teachers?
    Now you're getting into eschatological presuppositions. Futurist interpretations of the book of Revelation teach a literal Millennium. But other schools have demonstrated that the text can be taken to be speaking about the Christian age or dispensation (Amillennialists and Post Millennialists). The Bible clearly states that only the redeemed experience this "millennium" however it is to be interpreted (Revelation 20:1-6).
     
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    QUOTE (Christian Mystic @ Mar 11 2009, 02:58 PM)
    Now you're getting into eschatological presuppositions. Futurist interpretations of the book of Revelation teach a literal Millennium. But other schools have demonstrated that the text can be taken to be speaking about the Christian age or dispensation (Amillennialists and Post Millennialists). The Bible clearly states that only the redeemed experience this "millennium" however it is to be interpreted (Revelation 20:1-6).
    Now I know you are a FOOL! You think you are so wise. Oh well! I will let you wallow in your wisdom.
     
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    QUOTE (tomwebster @ Mar 11 2009, 04:02 PM)
    Now I know you are a FOOL!
    Wow. That's real loving there brother. [​IMG] Instead of calling me a fool...why not share your understanding? [​IMG] Your bitterness demonstrats that you're taking after your notion of a vindictive God. This is another danger of teaching that God will burn or destroy people forever. It creates an "Us vs. Them" perspective in which those who are not considered worthy according to your school of theology are relegated to burn or destruction, thereby warranting your bitterness of spirit. If God would be vindictive and brutal enough to burn or destroy those who disagree with you...is it any wonder that you would be just as vindictive against them??? You see...we become what we believe in. If you believe in a loving God who loves all and will reconcile all, you will love all and seek to be reconciled with your brethren, in fact, with all mankind. If you believe in a vindictive angry God...you will become a vindictive and angry believer.You can call me a fool if you like. If I have misunderstood something, may God forgive me. I'm a soul who's intentions are good. And may God have mercy upon you for going personal in what could be quite an interesting theological discussion.May we take this verse to heart in all of our theological discussions...
    Matthew 5:22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.​
     
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    QUOTE (Christian Mystic @ Mar 11 2009, 03:18 PM)
    QUOTE (tomwebster @ Mar 11 2009, 03:02 PM)
    Now I know you are a FOOL! ...
    Wow. That's real loving there brother. [​IMG] Instead of calling me a fool...why not share your understanding? [​IMG] Your bitterness demonstrats that you're taking after your notion of a vindictive God. You can call me a fool if you like. If I have misunderstood something, may God forgive me. I'm a soul who's intentions are good. And may God have mercy upon you for going personal in what could be quite an interesting theological discussion.Well, it is harsh... but it sometimes needed to wake up. I'll try this again since ignored my question completely.First of all, you have completely lacking understanding in my posts. Did I not mention this earlier in my posts in which you are ignoring?QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 10 2009, 10:38 PM)
    ...And there will also be Free Will in the Millennium Reign as well. After it's over it's Judgment Day. ...
    Lastly, if you don't believe God. Why did God say He will kill Satan then? And Satan is one of His sons. (Isaiah 14:15, Ezekiel 28:18, John 17:12)
     
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    QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 11 2009, 04:22 PM)
    Wow. That's real loving there brother. [​IMG] Instead of calling me a fool...why not share your understanding? [​IMG] Your bitterness demonstrats that you're taking after your notion of a vindictive God. You can call me a fool if you like. If I have misunderstood something, may God forgive me. I'm a soul who's intentions are good. And may God have mercy upon you for going personal in what could be quite an interesting theological discussion.Well, it is harsh... but it sometimes needed to wake up. I'll try this again since ignored my question completely.First of all, you have completely lacking understanding in my posts. Did I not mention this earlier in my posts in which you are ignoring?Lastly, if you don't believe God. Why did God say He will kill Satan then? And Satan is one of His sons. (Isaiah 14:15, Ezekiel 28:18, John 17:12)
    I'll be honest, your English is coming across very broken and hard to understand. So yes, I've ignored you to some degree; not because I don't want to discuss this with you, but rather because it's difficult to understand the piont you're trying to make. I'll read what you believe. Break it down in bullet points and I'll look it over. God's blessings and peace be upon you.
     
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    QUOTE (Christian Mystic @ Mar 11 2009, 03:18 PM)
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    Matthew 5:22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.​
    Learn some Greek! I'm not worried. See ya.
     
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    QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 11 2009, 04:22 PM)
    Lastly, if you don't believe God. Why did God say He will kill Satan then? And Satan is one of His sons. (Isaiah 14:15, Ezekiel 28:18, John 17:12)
    You'll have to look more deeply into each of these texts. I'll demonstrate what I mean here...let's look at Isaiah 14 "in context"....
    Isaiah 14:4-20 4That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! 5The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. 6He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. 7The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. 8Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. 9Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. 10All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? 11Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? 18All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. 19But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. 20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. ​
    It's important to understand that the prophet Isaiah wasn't "directly" addressing Satan. Isaiah was told to prophesy against the "king of Babylon", a real living ruler in his day. So Isaiah writes this proverb of rebuke against this human king...yet we see something interesting...as Isaiah addresses this human "king" Isaiah begins to also address the spirit operating behind this king...Satan himself. So Isaiah is addressing a human king who is essentially possessed of the Devil. This is primarily rebuking and speaking a proverb against a human king...however, we see glimmers of the nature of the evil possessing this king. It is the "king of Babylon" who God will kill...not Satan, the spirit possessing him. Such was the custom of Eastern prophets.The same case can be made regarding the text you site in Ezekiel 28....
    Ezekiel 28:12-18 12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. ​
    Again, as with Isaiah, we see that Ezekiel was addressing a human king, the king of Tyrus. Yet we also see that Ezekiel is addressing the spirit possessing Tyrus. Obviously this is the same spirit Isaiah faced when addressing the king of Babylon...the spirit of Satan. The doom and death predicted isn't issued against Satan per se...but rather the king to which this rebuke is addressed.John 17 reads...
    John 17:1212While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.​
    Jesus was speaking of Judas Escariot who was possessed of the Devil, not the Devil himself (Luke 22:3)Hope that adequately expains my thoughts regarding your question. God bless.QUOTE (tomwebster @ Mar 11 2009, 04:33 PM)
    Learn some Greek! I'm not worried. See ya.
    Explain. [​IMG]
     
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    QUOTE (Christian Mystic @ Mar 11 2009, 03:30 PM)
    QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 11 2009, 03:22 PM)
    Well, it is harsh... but it sometimes needed to wake up. I'll try this again since ignored my question completely.First of all, you have completely lacking understanding in my posts. Did I not mention this earlier in my posts in which you are ignoring?QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 10 2009, 10:38 PM)
    ...And there will also be Free Will in the Millennium Reign as well. After it's over it's Judgment Day. ...
    Lastly, if you don't believe God. Why did God say He will kill Satan then? And Satan is one of His sons. (Isaiah 14:15, Ezekiel 28:18, John 17:12)I'll be honest, your English is coming across very broken and hard to understand. So yes, I've ignored you to some degree; not because I don't want to discuss this with you, but rather because it's difficult to understand the piont you're trying to make. I'll read what you believe. Break it down in bullet points and I'll look it over. God's blessings and peace be upon you.My English is broken? That's a first... since it's my primary languages. Guess I'll repeat some of the stuff in my posts. I tend to let scripture speak for it self.Ezekiel 18:1 - The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.Then God says to Satan...Isaiah 14:12 - How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!Isaiah 14:13 - For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:Isaiah 14:14 - I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.Isaiah 14:15 - Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.Isaiah 14:16 - They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;...Ezekiel 28:18 - Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee....John 17:12 - While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.Again, why did God want to kill Satan, if you said earlier in your post that no soul will be lost.
     
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    QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 11 2009, 01:04 PM)
    It is not my job to judge or question God or His motives, my job is to believe what He has said.No, it's about questioning men who thinks what God has said instead of knowing what God said. Relying on the translation, even men is very dangerous if you don't know what you are doing.
    So you do not believe the Bible?
     
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    The Bible specifically describes people being tormented in the Lake of Fire for ever and ever: "And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever." (Revelation 20:10) "A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name." (Revelation 14:9-11) These two passages describe the "beast" (the Antichrist), the "false prophet," and all those who receive the "mark of the beast" being tormented day and night for ever and ever in the lake of burning sulfur. Therefore, the Bible specifically describes sinners being tormented for eternity in hell, which provides Scriptural precedent for the view that all sinners will suffer eternal conscious agony in the Lake of Fire. For example, in Revelation 14:9-11 and Revelation 20:10 (above), the apostle John shows us that the Lake of Fire is the place where certain sinners will be tormented forever, and then just five verses later he tells us that all sinners will be cast into that same Lake of Fire: "If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:15) Since the Lake of Fire is the place where the beast, the false prophet, etc., will be tormented forever, and since all sinners will be thrown into the same lake of burning sulfur, the most natural and reasonable conclusion is that all sinners will suffer conscious agony in hell for all eternity.
     
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    QUOTE (setfree @ Mar 11 2009, 08:24 PM)
    The Bible specifically describes people being tormented in the Lake of Fire for ever and ever: "And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever." (Revelation 20:10) "A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name." (Revelation 14:9-11) These two passages describe the "beast" (the Antichrist), the "false prophet," and all those who receive the "mark of the beast" being tormented day and night for ever and ever in the lake of burning sulfur. Therefore, the Bible specifically describes sinners being tormented for eternity in hell, which provides Scriptural precedent for the view that all sinners will suffer eternal conscious agony in the Lake of Fire. For example, in Revelation 14:9-11 and Revelation 20:10 (above), the apostle John shows us that the Lake of Fire is the place where certain sinners will be tormented forever, and then just five verses later he tells us that all sinners will be cast into that same Lake of Fire: "If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:15) Since the Lake of Fire is the place where the beast, the false prophet, etc., will be tormented forever, and since all sinners will be thrown into the same lake of burning sulfur, the most natural and reasonable conclusion is that all sinners will suffer conscious agony in hell for all eternity.
    Revelation 20:10 - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.The word forever and ever is G165 aion1) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity2) the worlds, universe3) period of time, ageIf it is forever and ever, being burning nonstop, how can we move on to the future in which God will Judge? (Revelation 20:11)
     
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    Several Old Testament passages describe the eternal fire of hell in a way which clearly demonstrates the Jewish view that hell is a place of everlasting burning, not a place of annihilation: "The mighty man will become tinder and his work a spark; both will burn together, with no one to quench the fire." (Isaiah 1:31) "The sinners in Zion are terrified; trembling grips the godless: "Who of us can dwell with the consuming fire? Who of us can dwell with everlasting burning?"" (Isaiah 33:14) "And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind." (Isaiah 66:24) The first two passages above describe sinners burning in unquenchable fire. The imagery here is of eternal torment in fire, not total annihilation. The third passage says that a sinner's "worm" will not die, nor will his fire be quenched. This passage is quoted by Jesus in the New Testament: "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. ... And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.'" (Mark 9:43-48) The Bible Knowledge Commentary (Walvoord and Zuck, Dallas Theological Seminary, p.147) explains this passage by saying that the Greek word geena ("Gehenna," often translated into English as "hell") refers to a site near Jerusalem that "became Jerusalem's refuse dump where fires burned continually to consume regular deposits of worm-infested garbage. In Jewish thought the imagery of fire and worms vividly portrayed the place of future eternal punishment for the wicked. ... The worm (internal torment) and the unquenchable fire (external torment) ... vividly portray the unending, conscious punishment that awaits all who refuse God's salvation. The essence of hell is unending torment and eternal exclusion from His presence." The reason the worm does not die and the fire does not go out is because sinners are never annihilated. They continue to exist forever, and therefore the worm has "food" to eat forever and the fire has fuel to consume forever. QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 11 2009, 08:35 PM)
    Revelation 20:10 - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.The word forever and ever is G165 aion1) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity2) the worlds, universe3) period of time, ageIf it is forever and ever, being burning nonstop, how can we move on to the future in which God will Judge? (Revelation 20:11)
    In the following passage, Jesus makes a direct comparison between the eternal nature of life (for Christians) and the eternal nature of punishment (for sinners): "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal (aionios) fire prepared for the devil and his angels. ... Then they will go away to eternal (aionios) punishment, but the righteous to eternal (aionios) life." (Matthew 25:41,46) Notice that in each case, the word "eternal" is translated from the same Greek word aionios. The fire is "eternal" (aionios), the punishment is "eternal" (aionios), and the life is "eternal" (aionios). The implication is that a Christian's life will go on forever, the fires of hell will go on forever, and a sinner's punishment will go on forever.
     
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    QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 11 2009, 04:59 PM)
    My English is broken? That's a first... since it's my primary languages.
    Is English your primary language...or languages? lol (Hint, English is a "language", singular.)QUOTE
    Guess I'll repeat some of the stuff in my posts. I tend to let scripture speak for it self.You tend do.... lol Ezekiel 18:1 - The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.Then God says to Satan...Isaiah 14:12 - How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!Isaiah 14:13 - For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:Isaiah 14:14 - I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.Isaiah 14:15 - Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.Isaiah 14:16 - They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;...Ezekiel 28:18 - Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee....John 17:12 - While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.Again, why did God want to kill Satan, if you said earlier in your post that no soul will be lost.
    Bro....you need to really consult some good commentaries. God wasn't addressing Satan...the prophet was addressing a human king possessed of Satan in each account.
     
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