The vast range of Greys between Black and White

[Waiting on him]

Jesus never said HE wrote the bible, Jesus never said He would give us a book, in fact the only book in the NT that Jesus asked to be written down was revelation, so many say things and dont realize it is what they are saying, What did Christ promise us

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
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so much bible so little of Jesus or the Holy Spirit, thats why there is no life on these forums.

And also the way I understand it is to in the study of His Word we are assured that He approves of us?

 

[Waiting on him]

OK, crino is to judge or discern, katacrino is to judge downward, or condemn, and here, what is translated judgment seat is the bema seat.

I think the idea for the justified is that our works will be returned back on our own heads in some fashion, if we've done good we will receive it back, and if we've done bad we'll receive that back. Again, in exactly what fashion, I don't know.

Much love!

Hopefully our head is Jesus

 

[mjrhealth]

But it's through the Bible that you come to know Jesus. And through the Bible, having known Jesus, you can be assured whether your knowing of Him is accurate or not.

Much love!

No its not. how many people on this earth come to Christ without ever seeing a bible, its by what we hear not what we see. See how people limit God, demanding He cant go to any one without the the bible. God will save whom He will save with or with out the bible, Its mens and His pride that need the bible not God,

We can only know Christ by going to Christ, the reason why the foolish virgins lamps are empty is because they would never go get there lamps filled,

Rev_3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

and again

Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

but as JEsus put it

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

everyone wants to boast of the bible so few desire to know Christ, is it no wonder the path is so narrow.

 

[Waiting on him]

No its not. how many people on this earth come to Christ without ever seeing a bible, its by what we hear not what we see. See how people limit God, demanding He cant go to any one without the the bible. God will save whom He will save with or with out the bible, Its mens and His pride that need the bible not God,

We can only know Christ by going to Christ, the reason why the foolish virgins lamps are empty is because they would never go get there lamps filled,

Rev_3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

and again

Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

but as JEsus put it

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

everyone wants to boast of the bible so few desire to know Christ, is it no wonder the path is so narrow.

Soooooo...... present Him tooooooo...... us with no scripture reference.

 

[mjrhealth]

His Word we are assured that He approves of us?

Study the bible to make yourself self approved, we are approved when we accepted Jesus, and because of what He has done, there are men who have studied the bible all there lives, can quote it in 5 different languages, and will never accept Christ or ever know God, dont be so foolish to think that your works wil lever be approved of, Without faith we cannot please God. end of story.

 

[mjrhealth]

Why so much contempt?

Wy so much Idolatry.

I shall have no other Gods before me, Who is your God. the bible or God, who is your savior, the bible or God, you know where a mans treasure is that is where is heart is, so Is Christ your treasure or teh bible, who will you choose.

 

[mjrhealth]

Is that so?

For one thing, you are part of everyone. Broad brush fallacies are so called for a reason.

You show me Jesus from your own heart and mind, and I will show you Jesus from the pages of Scripture.

What nonsense to disparage God's people for holding fast to Scripture. Go ahead and bury me in those insults!

You can search the Scripture and come of dry if you demand life on your own terms. But come to Him in humilty and then see . . .

Much love!

I have already being to see Him, Christ never promised man a book, He promised man Gods Spirit who is refused by so many, The bible had become mans idol that even replaces Christ. So many refuse to go to Him, so many will be left out when that door is closed. Begone from Me I never knew you. You have your bible so why do you need Jesus.

Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

 

[Waiting on him]

Study the bible to make yourself self approved, we are approved when we accepted Jesus, and because of what He has done, there are men who have studied the bible all there lives, can quote it in 5 different languages, and will never accept Christ or ever know God, dont be so foolish to think that your works wil lever be approved of, Without faith we cannot please God. end of story.

Wy so much Idolatry.

I shall have no other Gods before me, Who is your God. the bible or God, who is your savior, the bible or God, you know where a mans treasure is that is where is heart is, so Is Christ your treasure or teh bible, who will you choose.

Ok

 

[Waiting on him]

Maybe this will help?

 

[mjrhealth]

Why would you think it's one or the other??

Because Christ is life in whom is our salvation, the bible is the dead letter that kills men yet points to the one who is life that so many refuse to go to., just look at all the posts on this forum, they are not Gloryfing Christ nor our Father they glorify the bible and mens wisdom., So much bickering ove a book, and Christ sits idlely on the side line waiting for someone to call. So few do and ever will.

 

[mjrhealth]

Why are people so down on the Bible? Several here don't seem to share my high view of Scripture. I believe the Bible is the very written Word of God which shows us the way of life.

I don't get it!

Something to do with

Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

and so men have no life, not His doing. Question should be why do so many people have a problem with Jesus or the Spirit of God.

Joh_14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

are you of this world or God.

 

[mjrhealth]

Not to me! It's a living Book from my Father. By His Spirit it brings life.

Jesus begs to differ with mens ignorance

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

and still men ignore Him.

Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

 

[mjrhealth]

Where in these verses does this point me away from the Bible???

They searched the Scriptures but would not go to Jesus. I search the Scriptures, and I find Jesus.

What is gold, and what is straw?

And yet here you are a thousand mile away from Him

You would think that after all He did, Christ would be busy teaching people, but still He knocks and still they ignore Him.

Mar_7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

 

[Waiting on him]

Why are people so down on the Bible? Several here don't seem to share my high view of Scripture. I believe the Bible is the very written Word of God which shows us the way of life.

I don't get it!

Don’t take anything personally Mark, this is personally delivered for me.. I’d be too ashamed of myself to disclose why.

 

[bbyrd009]

OK, crino is to judge or discern, katacrino is to judge downward, or condemn, and here, what is translated judgment seat is the bema seat.

I think the idea for the justified is that our works will be returned back on our own heads in some fashion, if we've done good we will receive it back, and if we've done bad we'll receive that back. Again, in exactly what fashion, I don't know.

Much love!

i dont either, but i see parallels with the court of our peer's opinion, how we are judged right now iow
whether that is true or not, it makes a good example of how the naive dialectic functions imo; the way we assume it must be future, but does not have to be?

Why are people so down on the Bible? Several here don't seem to share my high view of Scripture. I believe the Bible is the very written Word of God which shows us the way of life.

I don't get it!

scribes? Easter? Reading the Bible strictly in English is almost pointless now imo, virtually every instance of "have faith" has been changed to "belief" to accomodate the Mithraist perspective, and etc.

 

[FollowHim]

Why are people so down on the Bible? Several here don't seem to share my high view of Scripture. I believe the Bible is the very written Word of God which shows us the way of life.

I don't get it!

Unfortunately Gods Kingdom and reality is spread among many verses and experiences of Gods people.
There is no one killer perspective, but rather things that are clearly not right.

For instance we are called to obey through our love of Jesus, but not to obey while our hearts are far from Him.
Or though our lips and ceremonies declare our faith, our sins do not.
We are cleansed and purified as long as we sow to the Spirit and not the flesh.
But sadly the flesh, our physical needs, are not things to be ignored but to be met in His grace.

And there we have the tension between what is needed and what is appropriate. If we get too strong on abstinance
our hearts destroy us when we fail, but if we emphasis indulgence too much, our spiritual lives fail and we lose faith.

Scripture holds so many balances, almost all sides are right, but not in their emphasis, and probably some emphasis
is personal, ie the Lord is happy with either position, while we fight as if everything hangs on just one verse or one
concept.

And scripture itself can become an exercise in security, rather than living out the communion we have in Christ.
God bless you

 

[NayborBear]

I noticed amadeus, Willie T and Helen liked your comment, so I'm assuming they agree that the Bible was not inspired by God, but rather tainted by 'limited knowledge' of the Biblical authors.

You are pointing your "blame" in the wrong direction. The "limited knowledge", does not come from God's faithful servants the Biblical authors, nor from from God.
It does however, come from the "limited knowledge" of Biblical readers! Which taints the interpretation of what the Biblical authors wrote. Even to the point of their limiting how much, or how many of the Biblical authors, we people of today, even have access to! (can you say traditions of man?)

 

[Waiting on him]

You are pointing your "blame" in the wrong direction. The "limited knowledge", does not come from God's faithful servants the Biblical authors, nor from from God.
It does however, come from the "limited knowledge" of Biblical readers! Which taints the interpretation of what the Biblical authors wrote. Even to the point of their limiting how much, or how many of the Biblical authors, we people of today, even have access to! (can you say traditions of man?)

Welcome to the forum.

 

[NayborBear]

But it's through the Bible that you come to know Jesus. And through the Bible, having known Jesus, you can be assured whether your knowing of Him is accurate or not.

In this "upside down" world we live in these days?
Christendom, via the "precepts of men", have put the "cart in front of the horse", so to speak.
1 John 2
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

So, instead of going to the "canonized" Bible, and even further seekings then what is included in the canonized Bible, much like that which the Bereans did?
Well? Here. Look at that which 1 of the original 12 stated concerning Christ:
John 21
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that SHOULD be written. Amen.

What I am saying, is that too many people "limit" God, Christ, the Prophets, to being only those words included in the canonized Bible. As being the sole authority of that which is going on in their inwards.

So, when, not if, the believer comes to the point in their spiritual maturity, where things going on in their inward parts, do not line up precisely with that which is written in the canonized Bible?
Instead of "further seeking?"
It gets tossed!
And worse? They pursue in vanity and profaneness in using their canonized Bibles in striving in their falsely justifying themselves in their own eyes, that these "points of the furthering of one's spiritual maturity, is not necessary, required, or even expected!

And, in so doing? Have turned their Bibles, and religion, into idolatry! aka "God in a box!"

There is NO difference between idolatry, in the O.T., and delusion, in the N.T.

Romans 11
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

 

[marks]

And there we have the tension between what is needed and what is appropriate. If we get too strong on abstinance

Actually, I 'm not talking really about abstinence. More, If our eyes are so full of Jesus, we don't see anything else.

When the flesh intrudes, we weigh it's wants according to God's desires for us, and go from there.

Much love!