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Davy

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Davy,
re: "That Matthew 12:40 verse is at the heart of discovering exactly what day of the week Jesus was crucified."

That's an issue for a different topic. Perhaps you might start one.

Nah, I already explained from Scripture how our Lord Jesus died on the cross on a Wednesday, and His body was buried just before sunset, which at sunset began the count of His three days and three nights prophecy of Matthew 12:40.
 
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Davy,
re: "Nah, I already explained from Scripture how our Lord Jesus died on the cross on a Wednesday, and His body was buried just before sunset, which at sunset began the count of His three days and three nights prophecy of Matthew 12:40."

And I'm telling you that that is not what this topic is about.
 

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Davy,
re: "Nah, I already explained from Scripture how our Lord Jesus died on the cross on a Wednesday, and His body was buried just before sunset, which at sunset began the count of His three days and three nights prophecy of Matthew 12:40."

And I'm telling you that that is not what this topic is about.

You're wanting to pick an argument. Go do it with someone who will listen to your rhetoric.
 

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Davy,
re: "You're wanting to pick an argument. Go do it with someone who will listen to your rhetoric."


No argument wanted. I'm merely asking anyone who thinks it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur to provide the examples they are using to say that it was common.
 

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Davy,
re: "You're wanting to pick an argument. Go do it with someone who will listen to your rhetoric."


No argument wanted. I'm merely asking anyone who thinks it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur to provide the examples they are using to say that it was common.

That question is moot, simply because in Matthew 12:40 our Lord Jesus gave a direct comparison to His 3 days and 3 nights to Jonah's experience in the Old Testament. The other thing that makes your questioning moot is the historical fact of how the Hebrews applied the reckoning of a day. It began in Genesis.


DAY
Reckoned from sunset to sunset by the Hebrews. Gen 1:5: "the evening and the morning were the first day." 2 Cor 11:25: "a night and a day." Dan 8:14 margin. So our fortnight = fourteen nights. "Evening, morning, and noon" (Ps 55:17) are the three general divisions. Fuller divisions are: dawn, of which the several stages appear in Christ's resurrection (Mark 16:2; John 20:1; Rev 22:16, "the bright and morning star" answering to Aijeleth Shahar, "gazelle of the morning," Ps 22 title; Matt 28:1; Luke 24:1); sunrise; heat of the day; the two noons (tsaharayim (OT:6672), Hebrew; Gen 43:16); the cool of the day (Gen 3:8); evening (divided into early evening and late evening after actual sunset). Between the two evenings the paschal lamb and the evening sacrifice used to be offered. "Hour" is first mentioned Dan 3:6,15; 5:5. The Jews learned from the Babylonians the division of the day into twelve parts (John 11:9). Ahaz introduced the sun dial from Babylon (Isa 38:8). The usual times of prayer were the third, sixth, and ninth hours (Dan 6:10; Acts 2:15; 3:1). "Give us day by day our daily bread" (Luke 11:3); i.e., bread for the day as it comes (epiousion (NT:1967) arton (NT:740)).
(from Fausset's Bible Dictionary, Electronic Database Copyright (c)1998 by Biblesoft)


DAY
(da) (yom; hemera): This common word has caused some trouble to plain readers, because they have not noticed that the word is used in several different senses in the English Bible. When the different uses of the word are understood the difficulty of interpretation vanishes. We note several different uses of the word:

(1) It sometimes means the time from daylight till dark. This popular meaning is easily discovered by the context, e.g. Gen 1:5; 8:22, etc. The marked periods of this daytime were morning, noon and night, as with us. See Ps 55:17. The early hours were sometimes called "the cool of the day" (Gen 3:8). After the exile the day. or daytime was divided into twelve hours and the night into twelve (see Matt 20:1-12; John 11:9; Acts 23:23); 6 a.m. would correspond to the first hour, 9 a.m. to the third; 12 noon to the sixth, etc. The hours were longer during the longer days and shorter during the shorter days, since they always counted 12 hours between sunrise and sunset.

(2) Day also means a period of 24 hours, or the time from sunset to sunset. In Bible usage the day begins with sunset (see Lev 23:32; Ex 12:15-20; 2 Cor 11:25, where night is put before day). See DAY AND NIGHT.

(3) The word "day" is also used of an indefinite period, e.g "the day" or "day that" means in general "that time" (see Gen 2:4; Lev 14:2); "day of trouble" (Ps 20:1); "day of his wrath" (Job 20:28); "day of Yahweh" (Isa 2:12); "day of the Lord" (1 Cor 5:5; 1 Thess 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10); "day of salvation" (2 Cor 6:2);. "day of Jesus Christ" (Phil 1:6).
(from International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Electronic Database Copyright (c)1996 by Biblesoft)
 

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Davy,
re: "That question is moot..."

It's not. If someone believes that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week/with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, and tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language, I'm simply asking that person to provide examples to support their assertion of commonality.

Your comments are actually the ones that are moot with regard to this topic.
 

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Davy,
re: "Nah, I already explained from Scripture how our Lord Jesus died on the cross on a Wednesday, and His body was buried just before sunset, which at sunset began the count of His three days and three nights prophecy of Matthew 12:40."

You - Davy - did NOT explain <<from Scripture how our Lord Jesus died on the cross on a Wednesday>>. NEVER did! Never will; never CAN!

One reason why not: You place Jesus' Burial on the day He was Crucified on. You IGNORE <<sunset, which at sunset began the count>> of the SECOND <<of His three days and three nights>> in Mark 15:42 and Matthew 27:57 and John 19:38 and Luke 23:50 as if YOU decide what or which is Scripture or not Scripture, BESIDES EVERY Scripture ELSE there is which <explains> the "three days" of the Passover of Yahweh.

Another reason is: You IGNORE <<sunset, which at sunset began the count>> of the FIRST <<of His three days and three nights>> in Mark 14:12,17 and Matthew 26:17,20 and Luke 22:7,14 and John 13:1,30.

And another reason is: You IGNORE <<sunset, which at sunset began the count>> of “THE THIRD DAY” <<of His three days and three nights>> in Luke 23:56b after 23:54,56a and in Mark after 16:46,47 and in Matthew after 27:60,61 and in John after 19:41,42.

…all three reasons YOUR OWN principle for the reckoning of days, VIOLATED BY YOURSELF!
 
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You - Davy - did NOT explain <<from Scripture how our Lord Jesus died on the cross on a Wednesday>>. NEVER did! Never will; never CAN!

One reason why not: You place Jesus' Burial on the day He was Crucified on. You IGNORE <<sunset, which at sunset began the count>> of the SECOND <<of His three days and three nights>> in Mark 15:42 and Matthew 27:57 and John 19:38 and Luke 23:50 as if YOU decide what or which is Scripture or not Scripture, BESIDES EVERY Scripture ELSE there is which <explains> the "three days" of the Passover of Yahweh.

Another reason is: You IGNORE <<sunset, which at sunset began the count>> of the FIRST <<of His three days and three nights>> in Mark 14:12,17 and Matthew 26:17,20 and Luke 22:7,14 and John 13:1,30.

And another reason is: You IGNORE <<sunset, which at sunset began the count>> of “THE THIRD DAY” <<of His three days and three nights>> in Luke 23:56b after 23:54,55 and in Mark after 16:46,47 and in Matthew after 27:60,61 and in John after 19:41,42.

…all three reasons YOUR OWN principle for the reckoning of days, VIOLATED BY YOURSELF!

I did show how Jesus had to have been crucified on a Wednesday evening, at the time of the evening sacrifice per the passover. The key was with Jesus declaring His body would be in the grave for 3 literal days and 3 literal nights, using the Hebrew calendar reckoning for a day, not the Gregorian reckoning. So all you're doing is bearing false witness.

1 Cor 5:7
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

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Apostle Paul, a Hebrew scholar of the OT, would not have said that if it were not literally... true. Jesus was sacrificed per the OT passover requirement. They rushed to bury His body as sunset was nearing, because at sunset would begin a 'high day' of the feast per Lev.23:7 (John 19).
 

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The key was with Jesus declaring His body would be in the grave for 3 literal days and 3 literal nights, ... They rushed to bury His body as sunset was nearing, because at sunset would begin a 'high day' of the feast per Lev.23:7 (John 19).

Jesus never <declared>, <<His body would be in the grave for 3 literal days and 3 literal nights>>.

Your <key> should be <using the Hebrew calendar reckoning for a day>, which the Gospel writers did, quoted verbatim in my post.

Just like your claim that <<His body would be in the grave for 3 literal days and 3 literal nights>>, your claim that <<They rushed to bury His body as sunset was nearing>> is not from the Gospels or <<per the OT passover requirement>>. On the contrary, the passover had to be slaughtered on the 14th, while "that which remained" of it had to be carried out of Egypt and the NEXT DAY had to be burned to 'return (it) to ashes', the likeness of the Burial of Jesus on the <<'high day' of the feast per Lev.23:7>> which according to John 19:31 "was THAT DAY of (passover-)sabbath" the 15th, NOT "the day before the Feast" as per John 13:1 on which Jesus was Crucified.
 

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And that someone needs to be someone who believes that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week/with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language.
 

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And that someone needs to be someone who believes that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week/with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language.
This point has been argued ad nauseam on this forum – and rears its head every Easter.

Virtually every Early Church Father who addresses when the Crucifixion occurred agrees with the traditional dating of a Thursday Last Supper, Friday Crucifixion, and Sunday resurrection. This includes the ante-Nicene Fathers. They understood that Jews reckoned ANY PART of a day or night as a “Day”.

This can be seen in the Book of Esther, when she was going to speak to the King on behalf of the people. She told them to fast for “Three Days and three nights” – THEN she would go see the King (Esther 4:15-16).
ON
the Third day, she went to see the King and petition him (Esther 5:1). Esther didn’t wait for the day and night to be over - but went ON the Third day.

This is a clear example that a part of a day was reckoned as a “Day”.
Jesus was crucified on a Friday.
- He was placed in the tome BEFORE sunset on Friday (1st day, Friday)
- At sunset on Friday (1st night)
- He was in the tomb all day Saturday (2nd Day)
- Sunset on Saturday (2nd night)
- Sunday morning (3rd Day/Night)

Case closed.
 
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BreadOfLife,

The Esther account is not an example because nothing in the account prohibits at least a portion of 3 daytimes and at least a portion of 3 night times.
 

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Nah, I already explained from Scripture how our Lord Jesus died on the cross on a Wednesday, and His body was buried just before sunset, which at sunset began the count of His three days and three nights prophecy of Matthew 12:40.

Yes, I believe YOU <<explained from Scripture>> -- <Matthew 12:40> ALL THIS! bs!
 

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They aren't examples because they don't show where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.

At last I see... RStrats is a physicist busy formulating the theory of relativism in theology. Well, that is for geniuses, not 'prollies' like me, with apologies to bird.
 

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ou quoted Matthew 12:40, which specifically was about Jesus' declaration that like Jonah, His body would be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights. So 3 days AND 3 nights, is very relevant to the subject you raised.

We CAN read, oukie. You definitely cannot. And we, oukie, are able to make justified conclusions, like that, If, you could read, you must be a common liar.