We don't need the gifts at all, we have the bible. The only so called gift today that people claim to have and cling to as "proof" is tongues, which is a total joke.
Tongues ( 'sign' gifts ) did/did not cease?
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These still come through in my opinion;
Attributes of the Spirit - not pertaining to “gifts of”,
I know what your talking about and i believe those are done over.
“And manifest also are the works of the flesh, which are: Adultery, whoredom, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, strifes, emulations, wraths, rivalries, dissensions, sects, envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revellings, and such like, of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that those doing such things the reign of God shall not inherit. And the fruit of the Spirit is: Love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law; and those who are Christ's, the flesh did crucify with the affections, and the desires; if we may live in the Spirit, in the Spirit also we may walk; let us not become vain-glorious — one another provoking, one another envying!”
Galatians 5:19-26 YLT98
Galatians 5:19-26 And manifest also are the works of the flesh, which are: Adultery, whoredom, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, strifes, emulations, wraths, rivalries, dissensions, sects, envy | Young's Literal Translation 1
And manifest also are the works of the flesh, which are: Adultery, whoredom, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, strifes, emulations, wraths, rivalries, dissensions, sects, envy
bible.com
Why do we even have a written Bible? Is it really so that we can pick and choose the verses or incidents or teachings which fit into what we already believe and leave out anything that does not?
| Mr 16:17 | And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; |
| Mr 16:18 | They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. |
Some or even perhaps many people are putting on a show, but is your knowledge so complete about all people that you may be sure there are not some who really are on the Lord's side in spite of their disagreements with you?
| Mt 12:36 | But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. |
| Mt 12:37 | For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. |
| Pr 21:2 | Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts. |
That some children are indeed brainwashed by their own parents is certain, but why do you speak as if all with beliefs or opinions different than yours must be in error. There is too much of that on this forum, but what does God say? Was Jeremiah inspired by God to write the following words?
| Jer 10:23 | O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. |
If a man cannot direct his own steps before God, what must he then do?
| Mt 7:7 | Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: |
Who is the teacher that always teaches God's truth?
| Joh 14:26 | But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. |
The only way you can "see" the truth, the reality, is if and when you have been given the "eyes to see", which the natural or carnal man does not have even if his natural vision is 20-20.
| Re 3:18 | I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. |
What is this eyesalve, if not the Holy Spirit in a man? Don't be deceived by those who say they see unless you also see as they do and you are certain that it is of God. Everyone says they are right, with few exceptions, but the only ones who are, are those who agree with God. How can one know? Faith is the Way we are to go to encounter God and His truth. People who use man's logic alone will miss God's Way.
BarneyFife
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This is very interesting, my Friend. If not read carefully, it almost sounds heretical. But then, I'm used to your cutting-edge (for lack of a better term) insights. Couldn't make it to church today. Not feeling like myself.
You have never heard me say that!
You have never heard me say that!
I am glad you remember that much about me. I too believe I am right at times, but I recognize that at times I have not been led by the Spirit of God and have therefore been very wrong. Remember what apostle Paul wrote here:
| 1co 11:1 | Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. |
How much like Christ was Paul? How much like Christ am I? How much like Christ is anyone on this forum? How much like Christ are all of the human preachers and teachers you have encountered?
| Mt 4:19 | And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men |
What is wrong with you today? Not feeling like yourself?
I respect you and your family and everything @amadeus; however though you bring up a lot of questions and everything like that it is fine.
I dont believe like I said ... healings happen today other than the healing of the soul by the renewed rebirthed spirit which is given to those who believe in God, by faith and the resurrected Christ.
However, I dont have to believe everything in the bible is for today.... sorry if you do beleieve they are for today, there is tons of spiritual principles to learn from.
I already know about following JEsus Christ and everything like that, and sometimes you tend to go sideways, I rather not communciate for the time being.
Take care, and God bless you and your family.
If we are truly being led by the Spirit of God, we will know when to pray for a person's healing if know God's will for that person, including whether he is to be healed at the moment or not.
Jesus healed many, but not all of the sick or disabled people he met during his 3½ years he walked on this planet as a man, but he never failed to heal someone he tried to heal.
Thank you for your encouragement. You have a good day.
Prayer is for all people, even presidents and people in governing authorities and supervisors, and pedophiles, and murderers, and enemies, and prosititues, and family members, and those who are in jail.
Amen.
If people follow the Spirit of God, and have agape love, they willl
be patient, be kind, be not envious, not boastful, not proud, not dishonor others, not be self-seeking, not be easily angered, and also keep no record of wrongs, will not delight in evil but rejoice with the truth, always protect, always have hope and always persevres.
If people follow the Spirit of God, they also will show these attributes,
They will have love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control.
They will do tehre best to not be conceiteed and provoke others, by the power of the SPirit given to them. Which they can Ask GOD to help them, as Luke 11:13.
@amadeus - while I believe if people believe 'gifts of the spirit; happen today I still love them, I wouldn't disfellowship with them over it but I would say I dont believe the 'gifts of the spirit' to heal and cast out demons and everything like that is applicaible to us anymore, or people lay hands on people and the blindness of phsycal eyes are healed or people with legs that are broken are repaired.
So I hope you get that much atleast, down my friend . . . and can remember it, when it pertains to anything that may come from me.
have a good day.
be patient, be kind, be not envious, not boastful, not proud, not dishonor others, not be self-seeking, not be easily angered, and also keep no record of wrongs, will not delight in evil but rejoice with the truth, always protect, always have hope and always persevres.
If people follow the Spirit of God, they also will show these attributes,
They will have love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control.
They will do tehre best to not be conceiteed and provoke others, by the power of the SPirit given to them. Which they can Ask GOD to help them, as Luke 11:13.
@amadeus - while I believe if people believe 'gifts of the spirit; happen today I still love them, I wouldn't disfellowship with them over it but I would say I dont believe the 'gifts of the spirit' to heal and cast out demons and everything like that is applicaible to us anymore, or people lay hands on people and the blindness of phsycal eyes are healed or people with legs that are broken are repaired.
So I hope you get that much atleast, down my friend . . . and can remember it, when it pertains to anything that may come from me.
have a good day.
I have only attended a physical service once since completing my chemotherapy in March. That was to one on a Sunday where I was sure and old acquaintance still attended. I was right but he was not a real friend so I may not go back there soon. Perhaps I will look for a Saturday service. As you may recall I attended a couple of them before I moved in my daughter, but that place is nearly 50 miles away. I won't drive that far alone and no one is interested in attending with me. There is an SDA church locally, but I've never visited that one. As my strength builds and the Spirit moves I may get there.
Sorry you are not feeling up to par. I will keep you in prayer.
@MatthewG I hear what you are saying. I remember that you are striving to attain. I will not condemn easily simply of because disagreements. I have too many errors in own history to presume I have it all right now. Jesus did it all right, but I am still not even with him.
amigo de christo
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amigo de christo
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We need and have BOTH . the sooner you learn this the better off you will be .
WE DO have the bible . A BIG FAT AMEN TO THAT . now read it . THE GIFTS are for us too .
But all must be tested against the BIBLICAL TRUTH . THE BIBLE IS OUR BOOK , GOD IS OUR GOD
HIS CHRIST HE SENT IS OUR CHRIST and HIS SPIRIT IS OUR GUIDE and into the BIBLE LET US DIG .
David in NJ
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Did you notice in 1 Cor 1:1-9 the statement "so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ"
is BACKED-UP with this GUARANTEE = verse 9 "GOD is FAITHFUL"
amigo de christo
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JESUS DID HAVE IT RIGHT MY FRIEND . YES INDEED . i suggest folks start learning What HE said , what HE taught
I never once seen JESUS preach universalism etiher . He preached BELIEVE YE IN HIM and HE said
exactly what it was gonna be like for those who heard and rejected . WORSE than SODOM .
BEING JESUS SAID That , YEAH I BELIEVE IT . HE also said IF YE COME TO HIM YOU WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
YE WILL NOT perish . HE also said , HE who continues to the end .
THERE are many THINGS JESUS SAID . I suggest we simply BELIEVE THEM and RECIEVE THEM .
HE also spoke of how the church , the believers would be given power from heaven , GIFTS and etc .
IF JESUS said it , we believe it . Its really quite a simple walk . ITS MAN that complicates it
cause man has agendas . BUT JESUS HAS TRUTH , HE IS THE TRUTH , thus HIS WORDS ARE TRUTH and words
by which if a lamb does eat , IT will grow wise indeed through faith IN HIM .
SO here is my simple summation . And you wont have to need to know greek
or sit under some wise scholar . HERE IS my simple advice . IT JESUS SAID IT , JUST BELIEVE IT
if the aposteles under the SPIRIT left us letters , SIMPLY BELIEVE IT . Its not so difficult . but men and man MAKES IT DIFFICULT .
Many would be amazed at how simple and plain the walk in CHRIST TRULY IS . SIMPLY BELIEVE . JUST BELIEVE .
IF JESUS said it , BELIEVE IT . No need to try and twist it to fit what WE THINK might be truth . NOPE .
JUST READ AND BELIEVE . its really quite simple .
| Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I will say, rejoice! Phil 4:4 |
Alot of the misconception simply is that people believe the bible was written tiday for them and all of it pertains to them, which in my opinion is a mistake.
Even so; i must love and respect my neighbor; although they could condemn me for saying no i dont believe the gifts of the spirit is for ya today; though we still obtain the spirit - but it functions in the healings of our souls spiritually.
If the gifts and if jesus is still coming back today Ama.
Then the churches out there need to get there act together and literally do everything the first century church bride had done; if they realize they will end failing in that endeavour perhaps another view is needed.
The spirit of Christ resides in you just as much as me, and everyone else who believes in resurrection but its not about flaunting gifts or look at me i can speak in tongues that is all the flesh. Or i swear that preacher healed my cancer when laid his hands on me (sometimes things simply heal on their own terms which is a miracle and some need to go the hospital).
Its about humbling oneself before God and loving Him for takening care of your sins through christ and to love your neighbor as yourself.
amigo de christo
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LET the KING be praised . david i wanted to respond with joy to this . AND I DO .
but at the same time a good unction hit me to remind us all of this as well .
WE ABOUT to find persecutions and tribulations TO ONLY INCREASE AGAINST US .
And i keep getting so worried for so many who expect an easy ride out of what is COMING against the lambs .
David , HARD core betrayals and persecutions are at the door . EVEN NOW betryals are beginning
and laws to support our persectuions are increasing . ITS at the door my friend .
And worse so many are headed right into the trogan horse lie that will not save them but will DECEIVE THEM .
ITS all running as one together now . As the DELUSIONS have increased , so now too will the hate
agaisnt those not conforming . THIS HATE WILL LEAD TO MURDER . Folks have no idea
how bad it can get and how fast either . THE DIGITAL KING COMETH and once that IRON DOOR IS SLAMMED DOWN
IT ALL BEGINS WITH BREAK NECK SPEED . THEY have the system , they have the support of the peoples
BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE WHO or what WE HAVE . THE LAMBS HAVE ETERNAL LIFE , the lambs HAVE GOD , THE LAMBS
have CHRIST and our end WILL BE SO GOOD . THis world grows darker by the day and by the hour .
EVIL hasrisen up to fill the void my friend . And though it hollers love , BELIEVE IT NOT
its not love , its meant for one thing . TO DECIEVE ALL INTO A LIE
and to bring all AGAINST GOD < AGAINST CHRIST , AGAINST THE LAMBS . GET the peoples ready .
For many will betray many , many will be offended , afraid , sell out ,
lambs will be persecuted , and even killed . But he who endures to the end shall be saved . ITS INCREASING DAVID
the last hour is upon us and the msytery of inquity HAS NOT BEEN AT REST , IT HAS PREPARED the world
unto the day of aremgeddon .
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