Tongues ( 'sign' gifts ) did/did not cease?

[1stCenturyLady]

Seriously?
If I'm right your "lost" friends and relatives will be in heaven.
Wouldn't that be a goo prize? - LOL

And I'll be mad at you forever and ever when I see they're not there!

 

[St. SteVen]

Where do you get this from? You rebel against the Infinite Creator, and you define the terms of the crime? Do you see what I'm getting at with these posts? "Oh, it's not that bad . . .", said the perp.

Who is judge over whom???

Aren't you making God out to be a cosmic tyrant? Feel the love.

Finite means that we are human.
We are incapable of committing an infinite crime.
A human lifetime would be plenty too much.

Would it really be heaven knowing your loved ones are
down in the dungeon suffering unspeakable torture?

 

[St. SteVen]

And I'll be mad at you forever and ever when I see they're not there!

Fair enough. - LOL

Better hope I'm right. - (tee hee)

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Aren't you making God out to be a cosmic tyrant? Feel the love.

Finite means that we are human.
We are incapable of committing an infinite crime.
A human lifetime would be plenty too much.

Would it really be heaven knowing your loved ones are
down in the dungeon suffering unspeakable torture?

Don't you know we won't remember them? No more tears.

 

[ElieG12]

You underlined speaking in tongues.

That was the first manifestation of the anointing of the apostles and first followers of Jesus (120 in total, all of them reunited in the same place).

After they move from that place, Peter gave his discourse and the rest of them start talking with people of diferent territories, so it was not that all of them spoke the same languages, so there were people form many diferent native tongues.

This occurred with the purpose that these good news would be carried to different parts of the world in different languages of those lands, like the Ethiopian eunuch who would speak of the things seen and heard in languages of his land to others back in his country. Others who listened to Christians speak in their languages learned truths in words that they could pass on to others in their own countries.

Acts 2:4 and they all became filled with holy spirit and started to speak in different languages, just as the spirit enabled them to speak.
5 At that time devout Jews from every nation under heaven were staying in Jerusalem. 6 So when this sound occurred, a crowd gathered and was bewildered, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7 Indeed, they were utterly amazed and said: “See here, all these who are speaking are Gal·i·leʹans, are they not? 8 How is it, then, that each one of us is hearing his own native language? 9 Parʹthi·ans, Medes, and Eʹlam·ites, the inhabitants of Mes·o·po·taʹmi·a, Ju·deʹa and Cap·pa·doʹci·a, Ponʹtus and the province of Asia, 10 Phrygʹi·a and Pam·phylʹi·a, Egypt and the regions of Libʹy·a near Cy·reʹne, sojourners from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Creʹtans, and Arabians—we hear them speaking in our languages about the magnificent things of God.” 12 Yes, they were all astonished and perplexed, saying to one another: “What does this mean?”

We can all speak in tongues ...

No idea who you call WE.

I can, as I said before, because I studied some diferent languages other than my own native tongue ... but I don't see anyone in modern days speaking languages he/she didn't learn before ... UNLESS they are in delirium and repeating something they heard and is in their passive or long-term memory ... or they are possesed by evil spirits ... This can be recognized with the behaviour of the person who is doing these things, like when they are shouting with facial expressions that instead of transmitting peace they scare and instead of looking like orderly people, they seem to have lost their sanity.

 

[marks]

Aren't you making God out to be a cosmic tyrant? Feel the love.

One of His titles best translates to "despot". Do you have a problem with that? Not that it has any relevance to this discussion, but I do feel His love, which is why I always end my posts with "much love", primarily as a reminder to me that this is my intent, to share His love with others, by giving the best gift I can give.

The point being, I'm not here to serve my interests, I'm here to serve His interests, such as the edification of others. God is THE cosmic Tyrant, there is none higher than He. God created all that is, and all that is, is His to do with in whatever manner is good in His eyes. And it was Jesus who liken some men to dead branches that are gathered and burned.

Finite means that we are human.
We are incapable of committing an infinite crime.
A human lifetime would be plenty too much.

Sophistry.

Who here is capable of understanding the infinite? You look at the finite that you can see, or rather, you have certain opinions of some of your perceptions, and you, from those opinions, have reached certain conclusions about relative values in the infinite, as if in the perspective of God Himself.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic to say, "Wow!!" That seems overreach to me.

Would it really be heaven knowing your loved ones are
down in the dungeon suffering unspeakable torture?

Torture is your word. Are you remembering that all in Adam are dead? You have an opinion about life that is based on your perceptions, and you surmise that you will think the same way when you are removed from earthly considerations. The soul without a "flesh life" to "save" may see things differently. A soul who can no longer deny the supremacy of God likewise may reach different ideas.

"What if" (LOL), but what if, evil unrepented forever becomes more evil? What if the soul of man does in fact endure forever? What if becoming ever more and ever more evil were the worst thing that could happen to you? What if the suffering of the flames ceased you from your evil, and arrested your degeneracy? Now it's my turn to speak like a fool!

What if God knows something you don't, and what if you are denying truth because you don't have His understanding?

Much love!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That was the first manifestation of the anointing of the apostles and first followers of Jesus (120 in total, all of them reunited in the same place).

After they move from that place, Peter gave his discourse and the rest of them start talking with people of diferent territories, so it was not that all of them spoke the same languages, so there were people form many diferent native tongues.

This occurred with the purpose that these good news would be carried to different parts of the world in different languages of those lands, like the Ethiopian eunuch who would speak of the things seen and heard in languages of his land to others back in his country. Others who listened to Christians speak in their languages learned truths in words that they could pass on to others in their own countries.

Acts 2:4 and they all became filled with holy spirit and started to speak in different languages, just as the spirit enabled them to speak.
5 At that time devout Jews from every nation under heaven were staying in Jerusalem. 6 So when this sound occurred, a crowd gathered and was bewildered, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7 Indeed, they were utterly amazed and said: “See here, all these who are speaking are Gal·i·leʹans, are they not? 8 How is it, then, that each one of us is hearing his own native language? 9 Parʹthi·ans, Medes, and Eʹlam·ites, the inhabitants of Mes·o·po·taʹmi·a, Ju·deʹa and Cap·pa·doʹci·a, Ponʹtus and the province of Asia, 10 Phrygʹi·a and Pam·phylʹi·a, Egypt and the regions of Libʹy·a near Cy·reʹne, sojourners from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Creʹtans, and Arabians—we hear them speaking in our languages about the magnificent things of God.” 12 Yes, they were all astonished and perplexed, saying to one another: “What does this mean?”

No idea who you call WE.

I can, as I said before, because I studied some diferent languages other than my own native tongue ... but I don't see anyone in modern days speaking languages he/she didn't learn before ... UNLESS they are in delirium and repeating something they heard and is in their passive or long-term memory ... or they are possesed by evil spirits ... This can be recognized with the behaviour of the person who is doing these things, like when they are shouting with facial expressions that instead of transmitting peace they scare and instead of looking like orderly people, they seem to have lost their sanity.

I've already discussed against your first part. But Mark 16:16-18 shows that all who believe is given the sign of speaking in tongues. But not all of us can speak in the gift of diverse kinds of tongues that requires interpretation. Those are both "offices."

Did you know there are two different types of speaking in tongues? The difference is the direction - TO or FROM

 

[ElieG12]

I've already discussed against your first part. But Mark 16:16-18 shows that all who believe is given the sign of speaking in tongues. But not all of us can speak in the gift of diverse kinds of tongues that requires interpretation. Those are both "offices."

Did you know there are two different types of speaking in tongues? The difference is the direction - TO or FROM

That is a very sad mistake many believers make today: thinking that every single thing said to first century Christians apply to themselves.

Have you read what the evil spirit said to those Jews (sons of a Jewish high riest) when they try to cast out demons using the name of the Lord Jesus?

Acts 19:15 But in answer the wicked spirit said to them: “I know Jesus and I am acquainted with Paul; but who are you?”

Now they don't even mind ... so many people doing the same thing and bringing dishonor to the name of Christ. They love that ...

BUT Jesus ... what is he going to do about it?

Matt. 7:21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’

 

[amigo de christo]

That is a prayer language.

That is not the "gift of Tongues"

The "Gift" is described in Acts 2, when the Jews say..>>"we hear Peter speaking in OUR Language" and there were many different dialect there, that day.

There is your "gift of TONGUES"... = foreign language.

Its a heavenly langauge all right .
Its not as simple as some try and say as if they are just speaking in some foreign language .
I mean even paul writes and said the one speaking in the tongues Needs to pray HE can interpret it .
If i were simply speaking in spanish , why would i need to pray to GOD to interpret what i was speaking .
I would know it . exactly my friend . OH its a heavenly , spiritual langauge
WHICH can be heard in whatever tongue .
Example . Lets say a german , a jew , a russian , a japense man
were all at that place . And one man was speaking in tongues . Each one could hear it in his own langauge
at the same time . ITS HEAVENLY ALL RIGHT and its real too .
OH , its real and its not something we can be taught either .
Its not like i can into some school and learn how to speak tongues . It aint like many are trying to make it out to be .
Be encouraged behold . The gifts are still real . cessationism did not occur .
And , and this is a huge thing , IF ANYTHING contradicts THAT HOLY GOD INSPIRED BIBLE . well my advice is
FLEE IT and ner er look back either . I dont care if a billy goat is speaking spanish
IF the message contradicts the biblilcal truth , IT AINT COMING FROM THE SPIRIT , IT AINT COMING FROM GOD .
Stay GLUED IN THE BIBLE .

 

[Bob Estey]

Of course I am. I don't lie! And I can understand what is being said, by how they wrote it. How do you explain that each man heard all of them speaking his own language. You are just not reading it correctly. You are coming at it with a preconceived belief and can't see that each person heard all of them speaking in only his language. And the next man of a different language heard all of them speaking in only his language, etc.

Bob, IT WAS SUPERNATURAL HEARING!!!

"everyone heard THEM speak in his own language."

2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. 3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

How can you deny the Pentecost? It's in the Bible.

 

[amigo de christo]

As long as you can love me that is great.
If you hate me thats a different story.
Grateful for the Spirit that God provides, that is the increase needed; love, knowledge, understanding, compassion, freedom, @amadeus.

If one has not charity , nothing gonna profit them one bit .
So my advice is we better learn what TRUE and REAL CHARITY IS .
See if i even gave my goods , my goods to the poor , ALL of them to the poor ,
yet had not charity it would profit me nothing .
So take note on this . take a good long note .
For many constantly talk of doing good to the poor , but they seem to lack charity at the same time .
Meaning this . CHARITY REJOICES IN THE TRUTH , NOT IN INQUITY .
so lets remember that the next time someone comes along and starts talking about love
and doing good to the poor , and yet embraces lies , denies JESUS CHRIST , embraces certain sins .
Cause i am telling us all this person who does such a thing , DOES NOT have CHARITY .
SO if a man comes along and trys to DENY we must believe in JESUS
and says the muslims , buddists or whaterverist worship the same GOD we do
and are fine as long as they hug and do good , JUST KNOW THAT AINT CHARITY . charity dont deny CHRIST
and give out false hope . Charity rejoices in one thing and one thing alone TRUTH .
Charity dont try an make void the scriptures . IT REJIOCES IN TRUTH .
Many are gonna find out the HARD way on the day OF JESUS
that the love they thought they had , the god they thought they knew , WASNT GOD OR HIS LOVE .
It was the devil lying and twisting and perverting love , teaching a sensual love that the flesh embraced .
I say this out of great concern . Cause i see this false love , WHICH aint CHARITY
rejoicing in this BROAD path that sure seems to be big on UNIVERSALISM and has fast forgotten
what JESUS said HE will do to those who DENY HIM , to those who heard the gospel and yet BELIEVED NOT .
SO MUCH FOR TODAYS LOVEY DO cause it wont be saving them on the DAY OF THE LORD .
TIME we get back in our bibles and start learning us SOME BIBLE TRUTH .

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That is a very sad mistake many believers make today: thinking that every single thing said to first century Christians apply to themselves.

Have you read what the evil spirit said to those Jews (sons of a Jewish high riest) when they try to cast out demons using the name of the Lord Jesus?

Acts 19:15 But in answer the wicked spirit said to them: “I know Jesus and I am acquainted with Paul; but who are you?”

Now they don't even mind ... so many people doing the same thing and bringing dishonor to the name of Christ. They love that ...

BUT Jesus ... what is he going to do about it?

Matt. 7:21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’

So what exactly are you ranting about? You sound hostile, but not pointing to anything in particular.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

How can you deny the Pentecost? It's in the Bible.

I'm not denying Pentecost, Bob. I'm telling you what actually happened. It was more supernatural than you have grasped. There was a miracle that you are not even acknowledging, so I'm not the one denying the power of God. You are.

 

[amigo de christo]

How can you deny the Pentecost? It's in the Bible.

Folks need to actually read the bible . Oh yes lets open it up to corinthians .
Now if tongues was what many try and say it is , OH JUST a foreign langauge .
Like i can go and learn french and that is tongues . WRONG .
I mean if that was all it was
HOW COME paul wrote the church and said
For the one who does speak in tongues to pray That he might be able to INTREPET IT so the CHURCH
can be edified . I MEAN man . If i am simply speaking in a langauge i learned
WHY ON EARTH would i need to pray to interpret the very langauge i was speaking that i had LEARNED to speak .
Exactly bob . Cessationist and others are lying to us .

 

[David in NJ]

Where does 1 Cor 1:1-9 lead the CORINTHIANS to whom it was written? What WAS the desired intent for THEM? To what conclusion for THEM based on their issues and in their time? These are the questions that should be asked. A then, after you've CORRECTLY digested the Corinthian letter, what can be gleaned from it that applies go us today???

Your error is believing the that 1 Corinthians was only written to them for back then.

But that is not what the Holy Spirit said thru the Apostle Paul.

To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere
who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ

 

[amigo de christo]

Your error is believing the that 1 Corinthians was only written to them for back then.

But that is not what the Holy Spirit said thru the Apostle Paul.

To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere
who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ

Yep . the gifts dont cease TILL THAT DAY . exactly my friend . Cessationism IS A LIE .
Though i must keep reminding us of this as well .
I dont care if even an angel or a talkin donkey was speaking in tongues
or prophesying , or had some revelation . IF ANYTHING THEY SAY CONTRADICTS THE TRUTH in that thar bible
IT AINT COMING FROM GOD , FROM CHRIST , FROM THE SPIRIT . Rather its coming from darkness .
Raise those hands david . The lambs are gonna point to CHRIST and remind all continually
of all biblcal sound and holy , lovely and pure DOCTRINE .

 

[amigo de christo]

Your error is believing the that 1 Corinthians was only written to them for back then.

But that is not what the Holy Spirit said thru the Apostle Paul.

To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere
who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ

GOD IS OUR GOD , THE SON IS OUR CHRIST and the ONLY CHRIST , the SPIRIT IS OUR GUIDE
and the BIBLE IS OUR BOOK . ALL things will be tested against the pure and holy
the GOD INSPIRED T RUTH in that bible . Now its gonna make folks angry that we wont conform
to their teachings . But then that is on them . CHARITY REJOICES IN TRUTH . AND TRUTH IS ALL OVER THAT BIBLE .
Lambs would love and embrace TRUTH . FOR GOD has given charity into their hearts .
And their FAITH IS IN HE , IN HIS CHRIST , and in that HOLY BOOK they gonna stay and stay well planted .
KNOW what i mean . And they will test anyone , anything , any voice , any thought
any doctrine , AGAINST the biblical truth . AND IF IT contradicts , THEY WONT BE EATING OF IT , they reject it .

 

[amigo de christo]

Your error is believing the that 1 Corinthians was only written to them for back then.

But that is not what the Holy Spirit said thru the Apostle Paul.

To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere
who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ

Many say many things like that . OH JESUS was speaking to jews that is not for the church
or james was writing to jews it dont apply to the gentiles .
They pit paul against james . They often say WELL the times were DIFFERENT back then
as they make void some teaching of CHRIST .
BUT , and this is a big ol butt too my friend . BUT THE LAMBS WONT HEED THEM .
ER WORD IS the meat of a lamb . and though times do change and seasons change
GOD DONT , HIS WORD DONT , THE SPIRIT DONT . and lambs SUP ON ALL GOD INSPIRED TRUTH in that bible .
But dont expect to be loved for doing so .

 

[DJT_47]

Your error is believing the that 1 Corinthians was only written to them for back then.

But that is not what the Holy Spirit said thru the Apostle Paul.

To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere
who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ

It's not an error it's fact. Read the salutation in 1 Cor 1:2. "To the church of God which is at Corinth". Is that you? Is that any of us today? No, it's your error and lack of understanding scripture.

 

[ElieG12]

So what exactly are you ranting about? You sound hostile, but not pointing to anything in particular.

Not my intention.

Pointing out exactly what I said:

nobody can apply to himself everything that Jesus said to the apostles ... it is not only being naive but also daring.

No person today performs the miracles of the prophets, nor those of the apostles, much less those of Jesus.

It is obvious that those things that the early Christians did were done because they were in Jerusalem when the holy spirit was poured out from heaven upon them, or received the power after a laying on of hands by some of them. Obviously, those who were not there do not have to imagine that they are going to do the same things that they could do only as a result of that investment.

There is no document from the second century onwards where we are shown a Catholic repeating the same kind of powerful works that the apostles did. Actually, if the holy spirit was going to bestow modern-day Christians with the same gifts, there would be no need to tell other believers what criteria they should use to identify the true ones:

Matt. 7:15 “Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men.

There is a subtle difference between FRUITS and POWERFUL WORKS.

Gal. 5:22 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.

John 13:35 By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.”

... an other works like the preaching (Matt. 28:19,20).