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Though do be on guard , i have seen many who claim it , but get up and bark like dogs and walk around on leashes
and play the clown . YEAH that AINT THE SPIRIT at work at all . That is something entirely different . ANOTHER SPIRIT AT WORK .
And not a good one either .
Blind men describing the elephant
Your first post on this forum.
Very short and no further inside why you posted this?
yes i replied on #16, did i miss something?Jaybird, did you read post 15?
It certainly sound like a real language but I don't which one.if its a real language then thats not the one i am talking about.
Well that and also it means they are not being orderly in the church . Paul had this problem with the church of the corinthiansWhenever I've been around people who supposedly spoke in tongues, there was never an interpreter, even among those present. I believe tongues is still possible today, but I think most of the time it's inauthentic.
I found an interesting sentence in my reading of John Calvin's commentary on John's Gospel. Note that he wrote this in the 17th Century. He was commenting on when Jesus breathed on the disciples and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit." He says that the Holy Spirit comes from Jesus and only Jesus. He said that a bishop breathing the Holy Spirit on priests during their ordination is pure nonsense. He said that the smelly breath of a bishop is not evidence that a person is called to ministry. It is the observation of the gifts of the Spirit manifest in his ministry.I believe that all those who lead a church fellowship should be baptized in the Holy Spirit. If they aren't how will they get the gifting, guidance and vision they need to lead the flocks.
I guess the quote is just another way for modernist religious people to say that no one speaks in tongues at all.1Corinthians 12:29-30 (KJV):
29) Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30) Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Or as the TLV translates it:
29) All are not emissaries, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All do not work miracles, do they?
30) All do not have gifts of healing, do they? All do not speak in tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?
yes i replied on #16, did i miss something?
Believing the Gospel and receiving Christ gets the person saved. No doubt about that. But in order to become sanctified and grow in grace, one needs the baptism with the Spirit, because it is the Holy Spirit alone who can achieve it, and one must have the indwelling and be filled with the Spirit in order to receive the ability to ditch the works of the flesh and walk in the Spirit.I believe that all those who lead a church fellowship should be baptized in the Holy Spirit. If they aren't how will they get the gifting, guidance and vision they need to lead the flocks.
He acknowledged that it is the manifestation of the gifts of the Spirit that qualifies a pastor for ministry. If these gifts are absent, how can a person prove that he is actually called to Christian ministry?
Try reading the Bible properly instead of basing nonsense opinions on random out-of-context verses. Give a close reading and study of all the verses in 1 Corinthians 14 and see what Paul actually says about tongues in his personal prayer life and in church. "I thank God I speak in tongues more than you all, but rather in the church...etc." Even a 10 year old in elementary school can comprehend that Paul speaks in tongues away from church services, but when he is in church he speaks that all can understand and be built up.if someone spoke in a language i never heard before, it might sound like babbling. the acts passage doesnt say they were babbling in an unknown language, it says they were speaking in the language of the nations. the ones that did not believe that mocked them, it doesnt say they mocked them because they were babbling in unknown languages.
now if you think tongues is some prayer language, please explain why anyone would need a spirit language to speak to the Most High?
and the bible never calls it a spirit prayer language, it says angel language. Paul was IMO being metaphoric here, but lets say he really meant a literal angel language. why would we need that. were the apostles being sent to preach the gospel to angels? do the angels not understand our common language, do angels not know how to speak in our languages? that would make them pretty bad messengers. not to mention we have a multitude of examples of angels interacting with other people throughout the bible, they never spoke in an unknown language where an angel language interpreter was needed.
I have a close friend who was "babbling" in tongues in a prayer meeting at the church I went to in the 1970s. A Ghanaian visitor stopped the prayer meeting and told my friends what he was saying in his own village dialect! My friend had never been Ghana, let alone to that particular village. He was just "babbling" away in tongues like most Pentecostals do. I had the same experience when I was quietly interceding in tongues for people being ministered at the front of the church. A NZ Maori lady said to me that I was speaking encouraging things to her in her native language. I had no idea that I was speaking the Maori language. I was just praying in tongues, "babbling" as you call it.if its a real language then thats not the one i am talking about.
one thing Paul does not say in 1 Cor 14 is that he is speaking a spirit language. your inserting your own wishful thinking into the text.Try reading the Bible properly instead of basing nonsense opinions on random out-of-context verses. Give a close reading and study of all the verses in 1 Corinthians 14 and see what Paul actually says about tongues in his personal prayer life and in church. "I thank God I speak in tongues more than you all, but rather in the church...etc." Even a 10 year old in elementary school can comprehend that Paul speaks in tongues away from church services, but when he is in church he speaks that all can understand and be built up.
Prejudice against modern tongues cancels out simple intelligent comprehension 101 and the rules of Biblical exegesis and hermeneutics.
same question to you, do you have an answer or just gonna call me names?now if you think tongues is some prayer language, please explain why anyone would need a spirit language to speak to the Most High?
So how do you continue to intercede for someone in need when you run out of natural language to express your burden for them? Then again, maybe you never receive a burden of intercession for anyone, and are pretty well content with a short prayer and leave it at that.if someone spoke in a language i never heard before, it might sound like babbling. the acts passage doesnt say they were babbling in an unknown language, it says they were speaking in the language of the nations. the ones that did not believe that mocked them, it doesnt say they mocked them because they were babbling in unknown languages.
now if you think tongues is some prayer language, please explain why anyone would need a spirit language to speak to the Most High?
and the bible never calls it a spirit prayer language, it says angel language. Paul was IMO being metaphoric here, but lets say he really meant a literal angel language. why would we need that. were the apostles being sent to preach the gospel to angels? do the angels not understand our common language, do angels not know how to speak in our languages? that would make them pretty bad messengers. not to mention we have a multitude of examples of angels interacting with other people throughout the bible, they never spoke in an unknown language where an angel language interpreter was needed.
I have a close friend who was "babbling" in tongues in a prayer meeting at the church I went to in the 1970s. A Ghanaian visitor stopped the prayer meeting and told my friends what he was saying in his own village dialect! My friend had never been Ghana, let alone to that particular village. He was just "babbling" away in tongues like most Pentecostals do. I had the same experience when I was quietly interceding in tongues for people being ministered at the front of the church. A NZ Maori lady said to me that I was speaking encouraging things to her in her native language. I had no idea that I was speaking the Maori language. I was just praying in tongues, "babbling" as you call it.
Those real-life experiences makes everything you are saying about tongues just pure nonsense from someone who is totally ignorant of that particular "tool" of the Holy Spirit and what it is used for.
I have a close friend who was "babbling" in tongues in a prayer meeting at the church I went to in the 1970s. A Ghanaian visitor stopped the prayer meeting and told my friends what he was saying in his own village dialect! My friend had never been Ghana, let alone to that particular village. He was just "babbling" away in tongues like most Pentecostals do. I had the same experience when I was quietly interceding in tongues for people being ministered at the front of the church. A NZ Maori lady said to me that I was speaking encouraging things to her in her native language. I had no idea that I was speaking the Maori language. I was just praying in tongues, "babbling" as you call it.
Those real-life experiences makes everything you are saying about tongues just pure nonsense from someone who is totally ignorant of that particular "tool" of the Holy Spirit and what it is used for.