Tradition Versus Scripture

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, just as you said. I'm not talking about the Colonnades, but you know that already right? You are just evading the obvious. View attachment 35243

It's absolute nonsense.

There are only so many shapes. The colonnades are what create the circular shape.
If it had been designed as a triangle or a rectangle or a pentangle or ANY other shape - some anti-Catholic idiot would find some other “evil” or “sinister” comparison.

Just another asinine anti-Catholic misfire on YOUE part . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh the ducking and weaving of justification…..but that’s OK,
Einstein was a genius but he couldn’t spell because he was dyslexic. I’m not a genius but I can read and God’s word tells me that the Catholic church is a monumentally bad imitation of original Christianity.
Even if the words fall on deaf ears, the visual proof is right there for all to see….

In John’s Revelation he describes a harlot sitting on a wild beast….
Rev 17:3-6…..
“And he carried me away in the power of the spirit into a wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet-colored wild beast that was full of blasphemous names and that had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and she was adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, and she had in her hand a golden cup that was full of disgusting things and the unclean things of her sexual immorality. 5 On her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth.” 6 And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.”

This entity is of the devil’s making and encompasses all religions that have the same basic teachings…..multiplicities of gods, belief in an immortal soul, and places for these souls to go immediately after death to either heavenly bliss, or a fiery hell of eternal torment….none of those teachings however, are from the Bible because they all have their origins in ancient Babylon. The “greater Babylon” is just a larger global imitation of the original. Original Babylon was the springboard for all false religious ideas to spread abroad in the earth when God confused the language of the tower builders.

It’s interesting the mention of the “mother of the disgusting things of the earth” is “clothed in purple and scarlet”….

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The “golden cup“ is also significant….as are the trappings of the gold inlaid Vatican ‘temple’ of false worship.

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The wealth of the church is in stark contrast to the poverty of its many subjects. Jesus warned about the dangers of wealth and its material expressions. He instituted none of this.….but advocated a simple life and faith, free of the love of money.

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But I guess there are none so blind……?

With such a warped and woefully-ignorant understanding of Scripture – it’s NOT surprising that you would have such an equally-warped world view. The ONLY thing that you got right is the fact that you ate NOT a genius . . .

The Catholic Church isn’t am “imitation” of original Christianity.

It IS original Christianity. It is your tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant factions that are the imitators. Actually - inventors is more like it.

As to your perversion of Revelation – the Whore of Babylon isn’t the Catholic Church – or even one of YOR splintered Protestant factions.

The Bible states the following about the Whore:
1. She "sits on 7 HILLS" (Rev. 17:9)
- Vatican Hill is NOT one of the 7 hills of Rome: Aventine Hill, Caelian Hill, Capitoline Hill, Esquiline Hill, Palatine Hill, Quirinal Hill, Viminal Hill

- Jerusalem DOES sit on 7 hills: Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet, Mount of Corruption, Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built

2. She is called "The Great City" (Rev. 17:18)
- Jerusalem is called the "Great City" – the place “where also their Lord was crucified” (Rev. 11:8).

3. She is "Drunk on the blood of God's Holy people" (Rev 17:6)
- Not ONLY did Jerusalem kill the prophets (Matt. 23:37, Luke 13:34) - she persecuted the Early Church (Gal. 4:9, 2 Cor 11:23-26) along with pagan Rome.

4. "Jerusalem is the "Faithful City" that became a “Whore”
- Isaiah 1:21 laments, "How the FAITHFUL CITY HAS BECOME A WHORE, she who was full of justice! Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers."

5. Apostate Jerusalem has the blood of God’s holy people on her hands (prophets and martyrs) – NOT the Catholic Church (Rev 17:6, Matt. 23:37, Luke 13:34, Gal. 4:9, 2 Cor 11:23-26).
And to say that ONLY the Catholic Church killed Christians is false because many Catholics were killed by Protestants as well.

We read that the “ten horns” and the beast will hate the prostitute. “They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire” (Rev. 17:16).

What happened in 70 AD? The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by pagan Rome.

Nothing about the Catholic Church even comes CLOSE to the comparison between the Whore of Babylon and apostate Jerusalem.

 

[Aunty Jane]

With such a warped and woefully-ignorant understanding of Scripture – it’s NOT surprising that you would have such an equally-warped world view. The ONLY thing that you got right is the fact that you ate NOT a genius . . .

The Catholic Church isn’t am “imitation” of original Christianity.

It IS original Christianity. It is your tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant factions that are the imitators. Actually - inventors is more like it.

As to your perversion of Revelation – the Whore of Babylon isn’t the Catholic Church – or even one of YOR splintered Protestant factions.

The Bible states the following about the Whore:
1. She "sits on 7 HILLS" (Rev. 17:9)
- Vatican Hill is NOT one of the 7 hills of Rome: Aventine Hill, Caelian Hill, Capitoline Hill, Esquiline Hill, Palatine Hill, Quirinal Hill, Viminal Hill

- Jerusalem DOES sit on 7 hills: Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet, Mount of Corruption, Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built

2. She is called "The Great City" (Rev. 17:18)
- Jerusalem is called the "Great City" – the place “where also their Lord was crucified” (Rev. 11:8).

3. She is "Drunk on the blood of God's Holy people" (Rev 17:6)
- Not ONLY did Jerusalem kill the prophets (Matt. 23:37, Luke 13:34) - she persecuted the Early Church (Gal. 4:9, 2 Cor 11:23-26) along with pagan Rome.

4. "Jerusalem is the "Faithful City" that became a “Whore”
- Isaiah 1:21 laments, "How the FAITHFUL CITY HAS BECOME A WHORE, she who was full of justice! Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers."

5. Apostate Jerusalem has the blood of God’s holy people on her hands (prophets and martyrs) – NOT the Catholic Church (Rev 17:6, Matt. 23:37, Luke 13:34, Gal. 4:9, 2 Cor 11:23-26).
And to say that ONLY the Catholic Church killed Christians is false because many Catholics were killed by Protestants as well.

We read that the “ten horns” and the beast will hate the prostitute. “They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire” (Rev. 17:16).

What happened in 70 AD? The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by pagan Rome.

Nothing about the Catholic Church even comes CLOSE to the comparison between the Whore of Babylon and apostate Jerusalem.

If you say so.....Jesus will tell us all soon enough who is Babylon the great and why those who cling to her will go down with her.....you can give your excuses to him....(Matt 7:21-23)

 

[Brakelite]

Nothing about the Catholic Church even comes CLOSE to the comparison between the Whore of Babylon and apostate Jerusalem.

Good thing we don't have to rely on observation, emotion, and misplaced loyalties in order to recognise the Antichrist, because he specialises in deception, hiding in plain sight for over 1500 years, and even self professing protestants no longer recognise him. Mainly because they, like yourself, have abandoned scripture in favour of observation and are deceived.

Scripture tells us one very important characteristic regarding the whore... She is a global union of church and state with global ambitions, both politically and religiously. Only one power on earth qualifies in that regard. The Catholic church. One just needs to read some highlighted excerpts from recent encyclicals such as Laudato Si, to clearly see where the papacy is leading the world into.

Of course, there are at least 10 other criteria that clearly identify the Antichrist. The reformers for the most part had it right. It was in fact one of the few things they agreed on. And it wasn't Israel.

 

[Marymog]

Yes…and did you know that the origin of those halos have nothing to do with the Bible?
Since God’s express command was not to “MAKE” IMAGES of ANYTHING”, (Exodus 20:4-5) we can understand the reason why false worship is depicted in those icons and statuary (images) with the trappings of false sun worship.

Hi Jane,

Yup...I "know that the origin of those halos have nothing to do with the Bible"!! That was implied when I said, "ancient Christian art used 'halos' (what appears to be the sun behind the head) to depict important Christians, not just Christ, in their painting!!!

What about these "express command(s)":

“[The Lord said] make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end. . .” (Ex. 25:18-19).

“You shall make the tabernacle with . . . cherubim skillfully worked” (Ex. 26:1).

“The Lord said to Moses, `Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.’ So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole” (Num. 21:8-9).

“He made two cherubim of olivewood, each ten cubits high. . . . He put the cherubim in the innermost part of the Temple . . . And he overlaid the cherubim with gold. He carved all the walls of the Temple round about with carved figures of cherubim and palm trees and open flowers” (1 Kgs. 6:23, 27-29).

“[The brazen sea] stood upon [statues of] twelve oxen, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south, and three facing east” (1 Kgs. 7:25).

“And on the surfaces of its stays and on its panels, he carved cherubim, lions, and palm trees, according to the space of each, with wreaths round about” (1 Kgs. 7:36).

Furthermore, just because artwork depicting God, Christ, the Apostles, the Mother of God, etc are created does not mean that those works of art are worshiped. Anyone who does worship them would be in violation of Scripture. Making them, looking at them, placing them in your home or church is NOT a violation of Scripture.

If you knew your Christian history you would know WHY those works of art (statues, paintings, stain glassed windows, etc) were made!

 

[Marymog]

Bingo! You will find these halos in false worship, but not in true Christianity, since the worship of images was forbidden to the Jews and also to the Christians, it is obvious from early Christian practice that images of God or Christ or his mother were not found until later times, when false ideas were spreading like the weeds that Jesus spoke about.

Hello Jane,

The first known halo used in Christian art is from the late 3rd early 4th century. It is believed to be Christ depicted with a halo. This artwork is in a Christian tomb.

Tomb of the Julii - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So let me see if I have your opinion correct: The intent of that artwork was for it to be worshiped AND this was during this time when false ideas were spreading like weeds? What is your historical source for that opinion?

 

[Marymog]

You first have to know what Jesus and his apostles taught in order to identify what was added all those centuries ago to take “Christianity” off the path to life. It is the many who will lose salvation because they cannot accept the truth…they love the lies and will not part with them.

Hello Jane,

You have made it clear that The Catholic Church is "off the path to life" with its teachings/doctrines which means that the men of The Catholic Church do NOT "know what Jesus and his apostles taught" and are teaching "lies".

What current denominational church or man do you trust not to lie to you and to teach you correctly so that you "know what Jesus and his apostles taught"?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

There is no scripture that refers to Sunday worship. The scriptures that you may refer to were not gatherings for worship, but meals shared together in loving fellowship.

What man taught you that?

 

[Marymog]

Sabbath is first mentioned in Scripture in Genesis as the 7th day.. Why was it made a part of the 10 commandments if it were not meant to continue to be kept? It was not a ceremonial law--there were no other laws written by the finger of God. God said "Remember" knowing we would forget. Your church keeps almost all of the others.

Saturday in different languages:
Arabic: Sabet
Armenian: Shabat
Bosnian: Subota
Bulgarian: Sabota
Corsican: Sàbatu
Croatian: Subota
Czech: Sobota
Georgian: Sabati
Greek: Savvato
Hebrew: Shabbat
Indonesian: Sabtu
Italian: Sabato
Latin: Sabbatum
Maltese: is-Sibt
Polish: Sobota
Portuguese: Sábado
Romanian: Sambata
Russian: Subbota
Serbian: Subota
Slovak: Sobota
Slovene: Sobota
Somali: Sabti
Spanish: Sabado
Sudanese: Saptu
Ukranian: Subota

Weren't some of these languages begun at Babel? Yet look what they call Saturday, even back then.

Hey Cassandra,

Would you agree that the 1st century Christians, who were living during the time Scriptures were written, would have gotten it right when it comes to Saturday or Sunday worship?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Can you tell me something...?
Why is there a Babylonian sun wheel in St Peter's Square? And why was an obelisk that represented the sun god Ra imported from Egypt and given pride of place in the middle of the "Square"?

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Hey Jane,

I would love to teach you your Christian history!

The obelisk was brought to Rome by Gaius Caligula in 37 AD. At the time it was the largest non-inscribed obelisk to leave Egypt. It was moved from it's original spot, about 4 miles, to the Vatican in 1586.

The east and west sides of the obelisk have exorcist formulas on it, a cross was mounted on its top and religious text were engraved on both sides to ensure that it wouldn’t be worshiped by pagans or other idolators. It was preserved as a sign of Christianity's win over paganism.

In 1817 several disks of marble were placed in the ground surrounding it to form the compass rose as well as the meridian line which made the obelisk a sundial.

Soooooo what man taught you that there is a Babylonian sun wheel in St Peter's Square? Can you provide your source that the obelisk represented the sun god Ra when it was NON-INSCRIBED when it was brought from Egypt?

Curious mary

 

[Marymog]

It was always there? That is not what my research revealed....."It was erected to its present position by Pope Sixtus V in 1586."
The obelisk was the Egyptian symbol of their chief deity, and there it is in plain sight....holding pride of place where the pope gives his addresses to the people. Where will I find a "pope" in the Bible as the head of the church? The "Pontiff", as he is referred to, carries the pagan Roman religious title of "Pontifex Maximus"......there is nothing "Christian" about that.

Hey Jane,

You should do better research.

It was built in Egypt and moved from there to Rome in 37 AD. It was moved from its original spot, the gardens of Gaius Caligula, about 4 miles to the Vatican in 1586. It had no inscriptions on it when brought from Egypt.

 

[Marymog]

This sounds suspiciously like propaganda.....seriously, what was to praise?
Though a handful of priests and nuns protested Hitler’s atrocities—and suffered for it—the Vatican as well as the Catholic Church and its army of clergy gave either active or tacit support to the Nazi tyranny, which they regarded as a bulwark against the advance of world Communism.
The Catholic clergy were up to their necks in politics, currying favor with the world, (James 4:4) when Christ taught that we should be “NO PART of the world”. What the world is does or is doing, is what God permits them to do. It has nothing to do with us.

Sitting pretty in the Vatican, Pope Pius XII let the Holocaust on the Jews and the cruel persecutions of Gypsies, Jehovah’s Witnesses and others to proceed uncriticized. It is ironical that Pope John Paul II, on visiting Germany in May of 1987, should have glorified the anti-Nazi stand of one sincere priest. What were the other thousands of the German clergy doing during Hitler’s reign of terror? A pastoral letter issued by the German Catholic bishops in September 1939 at the outbreak of World War II provides enlightenment on this point. It reads in part: “In this decisive hour we admonish our Catholic soldiers to do their duty in obedience to the Fuehrer and to be ready to sacrifice their whole individuality. We appeal to the Faithful to join in ardent prayers that Divine Providence may lead this war to blessed success.”

Hey Jane,

Your men have lied to you:

Pinchas E. Lapide, in his book, Three Popes and the Jews (New York: Hawthorn Books, Inc., 1967) critically examines Pope Pius XII. According to his research, the Catholic Church under Pius XII was instrumental in saving 860,000 Jews from Nazi death camps (p. 214). Could Pius have saved more lives by speaking out more forcefully? According to Lapide, the concentration camp prisoners did not want Pius to speak out openly (p. 247). As one jurist from the Nuremberg Trials said on WNBC in New York (Feb. 28, 1964), "Any words of Pius XII, directed against a madman like Hitler, would have brought on an even worse catastrophe... [and] accelerated the massacre of Jews and priests." (Ibid.) Yet Pius was not totally silent either. Lapide notes a book by the Jewish historian, Jenoe Levai, entitled, The Church Did Not Keep Silent (p. 256). He admits that everyone, including himself, could have done more. If we condemn Pius, then justice would demand condemning everyone else. He concludes by quoting from the Talmud that "whosoever preserves one life, it is accounted to him by Scripture as if he had preserved a whole world." Over 6,000 Jews were hidden in Rome and on Vatican property.

 

[Illuminator]

“In this decisive hour we admonish our Catholic soldiers to do their duty in obedience to the Fuehrer and to be ready to sacrifice their whole individuality. We appeal to the Faithful to join in ardent prayers that Divine Providence may lead this war to blessed success.”
This quote can only be found on Watchtower sources, it does not exist anywhere else.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I "know that the origin of those halos have nothing to do with the Bible"!! That was implied when I said, "ancient Christian art used 'halos' (what appears to be the sun behind the head) to depict important Christians, not just Christ, in their painting!!!

OK....let’s start here...
How “ancient” are we talking here? It is apparent from the words of the apostle Paul that the foretold apostasy from the Christian Faith was “already at work” in the first century.....so anything after the death of the apostles is suspect....including the writings of the so called “church fathers”. The apostles were the restraining influence in that apostasy whilst the final parts of what would become Christian scripture were completed with the last remaining apostle John’s Revelation. (2 Thessalonians 2:3-12)
After that window was closed, satan was again permitted to do his thing.....and he did to Christianity exactly what he did to Judaism. He used men to replace God’s word with man-made traditions. (Matt 15:7-9) Their teachings invalidated the word of God....their worship was therefore “in vain”....not acceptable to God or his Christ.

The words of our judge at the time he passes sentence on the “goats” is “I NEVER KNEW YOU”....”never” means “not ever”.....so from its inception, corrupted “Christianity” was never recognised by God or his son.

What about these "express command(s)":

What about them? The one thing that seems to escape your notice in your attempts at justification is that these were the “commands of God” not the ideas of men to created idols, to venerate them. It appears that Mary is venerated more than the son of God. Where will I find devotion to Mary anywhere in scripture?
They are clearly objects of religious devotion….in clear violation of the scriptures. This is bowing before images.


By what stretch of whose imagination are these works of art?
Do you bow before your artwork at home?

Furthermore, just because artwork depicting God, Christ, the Apostles, the Mother of God, etc are created does not mean that those works of art are worshiped. Anyone who does worship them would be in violation of Scripture. Making them, looking at them, placing them in your home or church is NOT a violation of Scripture.

Nowhere in all of scripture is Mary called ”the mother of God”…she is the mother of Jesus, chosen to bear God’s Messiah in order to fulfill prophesy. Mary holds no importance compared to the apostles. She is not ever called a mediator, and all prayer was to be directed to God through his Christ, not through any other mediator. (1 Tim 2:5-6)

If you knew your Christian history you would know WHY those works of art (statues, paintings, stain glassed windows, etc) were made!

If you knew genuine Christian history rather than “church history” according to the RCC, you too would understand where all those things came from…..none of which were part of original Christianity. The Bible is clear…we are to “walk by faith and not by sight”…..(2 Cor 5:7) The need to “see“ requires no faith…..it’s the reason why miracles were no longer to be “seen” by true Christians….maturity demanded that Christ’s followers grow up and exhibit faith in what they could not see. (1 Cor 13:11-13) That required “faith, hope and love” not the use of images.

Do any of those who created those images actually know what Jesus and Mary looked like?
If I showed you a picture of Marilyn Monroe and told you it was a picture of my mother, would that make her my mother?

Nothing about Roman Catholicism is scriptural…..not a thing. It’s the reason why sola scriptura is rejected.
The justification is empty…sorry.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Hello Jane,

The first known halo used in Christian art is from the late 3rd early 4th century. It is believed to be Christ depicted with a halo. This artwork is in a Christian tomb.

Tomb of the Julii - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

LOL, did you read what this article actually said?
I quote……
“The popularly named "Tomb of the Julii" (Mausoleum "M") survives in the Vatican Necropolis beneath St. Peter's Basilica. The serendipitous discovery near the crypt has a vaulted ceiling bearing a mosaic depicting Helios (Roman Sol Invictus) with an aureole riding in his chariot, within a framing of rinceaux of vine leaves. The mosaic is dated to the late 3rd century to early 4th century. Other mosaics in this tomb depicting Jonah and the whale, the good shepherd carrying a lamb (the kriophorosmotif), and fishermen have encouraged its interpretation as a Christian tomb.

Seriously….Helios the sun god (sun halo and all) riding in his chariot?..! And because there are depictions of Jonah and the whale, and a shepherd carrying a lamb, you accept this “interpretation” as Christian?!

So let me see if I have your opinion correct: The intent of that artwork was for it to be worshiped AND this was during this time when false ideas were spreading like weeds? What is your historical source for that opinion?

The source is scripture. Helios was the Roman sun god and it was Jesus himself as well as his apostles who foretold that apostasy would overtake Christianity……the weeds were sown so long ago that no one can really tell the difference anymore…..the church pretends it never happened.
As far as the church is concerned, the “weeds” are the Protestants. But according to Paul, the apostasy began while the apostles were still alive….that is how far back it goes. What you have from the end of the first century is a gradual decline in the teaching of Christian truth, so by the time Roman Catholicism was declared the state religion of the Roman Empire, it was well and truly corrupted and a fusion was created with pagan Roman beliefs infused with a suggestion of Christianity.….pagan ideas were covered with a “Christian” label……any who protested were called heretics and the grand inquisitor sentenced them to death, but only after torture provided a forced confession.

History is not kind to the Catholic Church no matter how many excuses they make, there is no way that what they practice is based on the original. God does not change….remember? What Christ taught cannot be altered to suit men who want to wear fancy garments and funny hats.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I "know that the origin of those halos have nothing to do with the Bible"!! That was implied when I said, "ancient Christian art used 'halos' (what appears to be the sun behind the head) to depict important Christians, not just Christ, in their painting!!!

OK....let’s start here...
How “ancient” are we talking here? It is apparent from the words of the apostle Paul that the foretold apostasy from the Christian Faith was “already at work” in the first century.....so anything after the death of the apostles is suspect....including the writings of the so called “church fathers”. The apostles were the restraining influence in that apostasy whilst the final parts of what would become Christian scripture were completed with the last remaining apostle John’s Revelation and 3 letters. After that window was closed, satan was again permitted to do his thing.....and “while men were sleeping” he did to Christianity exactly what he had done to Judaism. He used corrupt men to replace God’s word with man-made traditions. (Matt 15:7-9) Their teachings invalided the word of God....their worship was therefore “in vain”....not acceptable to God or his Christ.
The words of our judge at the time he passes sentence on the “goats” is “I NEVER KNEW YOU”....”never” means “not ever”.....so from its inception, corrupted “Christianity” was never recognised by God or his son.

What about these "express command(s)":

What about them? The one thing that seems to escape your notice in your attempts at justification is that these were the “commands of God” not the ideas of men to create icons and lifeless statures, to venerate them. The one thing that Israel repeatedly did, was fall to idol worship and God punished them for it.

Furthermore, just because artwork depicting God, Christ, the Apostles, the Mother of God, etc are created does not mean that those works of art are worshiped. Anyone who does worship them would be in violation of Scripture. Making them, looking at them, placing them in your home or church is NOT a violation of Scripture.

Any image when used in worship is a violation of scripture. Bowing before them is specifically condemned. The pictures I have shared prove that these are not works of art.

You have made it clear that The Catholic Church is "off the path to life" with its teachings/doctrines which means that the men of The Catholic Church do NOT "know what Jesus and his apostles taught" and are teaching "lies".

Would you like a list of the things accepted by the Catholic Church that is not found anywhere in scripture?

* Adoration of Mary as “the mother of God”. Nowhere is Mary given the significance that the church assigns to her. All her titles can be traced back to ancient mother goddess worship. Who can argue that Mary has taken on mother goddess status?….but only in Catholicism.
* Adopting a triune god when no such deity exists in scripture. The Jews were monotheists in a world full of false multiple gods. Fusing three gods into one head is not monotheism….but the church pretends that it is.
* There is no teaching of an immortal soul in the Bible. Therefore there is no place like heaven, hell or purgatory for souls to go immediately after death.
*There is no infant baptism as this is full immersion and would put an infants life at risk.
* Prayer was not to be said by rote or with prayer beads.
*There was no earthly priesthood in original Christianity.…no identifying garments or headgear and no titles given in a hierarchy. No one person exercised power over others.
* Confession was to be made to God, and no human was given authority to forgive sins on earth.
*There was no liturgy or ritual in first century Christian gatherings. They met for prayer and worship, but imparting scriptural knowledge and peaching the message about God’s Kingdom was their primary mission.
Anyone who thinks God is happy to hear the same mindless phrases repeated endlessly, has no idea what Jesus taught.

What current denominational church or man do you trust not to lie to you and to teach you correctly so that you "know what Jesus and his apostles taught"?

The ones who teach what Christ taught…..it’s really as simple as that. Nothing added or subtracted, just the plain and simple truth. Who God is, who Jesus Christ is, and why he came to redeem mankind.
Christ’s disciples were assigned an important role…..read Matthew 28:19-20. This is the work Jesus said he would support.…and he has.

It was Daniel who prophesied about “the time of the end” and he said that it would be a time when God would ‘cleanse, refine and purify’ his true worshippers. (Daniel 12:4; 9-10)
Jesus also spoke of a “faithful and discreet slave” whom he appointed to care for his entire household of fellow slaves (Matt 5:43-44)….he was to feed them their “food at the proper time”…..that slave is in the world and we have to find him and eat at his table…according to Paul, there are only two tables at which to be fed spiritually…..if we are eating at the wrong table, it is not Christ who is directing us….it is God’s adversary. (1 Cor 10:21)

 

[Aunty Jane]

Hey Jane,

You should do better research.

It was built in Egypt and moved from there to Rome in 37 AD. It was moved from its original spot, the gardens of Gaius Caligula, about 4 miles to the Vatican in 1586. It had no inscriptions on it when brought from Egypt.

The very thought of importing an object of false worship to be set up in a “holy place” is what God punished the Israelites for doing. Have you no knowledge of history?
Read Ezekiel 25:15-25. Israel too fell to sun worship.

 

[BreadOfLife]

If you say so.....Jesus will tell us all soon enough who is Babylon the great and why those who cling to her will go down with her.....

He already did – but YOU missed it,

you can give your excuses to him....(Matt 7:21-23)

And YOU can vomit out your lies to Him.
Good luck with that. . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Good thing we don't have to rely on observation, emotion, and misplaced loyalties in order to recognise the Antichrist, because he specialises in deception, hiding in plain sight for over 1500 years, and even self professing protestants no longer recognise him. Mainly because they, like yourself, have abandoned scripture in favour of observation and are deceived.

Scripture tells us one very important characteristic regarding the whore... She is a global union of church and state with global ambitions, both politically and religiously. Only one power on earth qualifies in that regard. The Catholic church. One just needs to read some highlighted excerpts from recent encyclicals such as Laudato Si, to clearly see where the papacy is leading the world into.

That’s because YOU don’t understand the symbolism involving the 1st century Church.

NOR do you understand the fact that much of Revelation has already taken place because you follow the teachings of the false prophet, Ellen White.

Of course, there are at least 10 other criteria that clearly identify the Antichrist. The reformers for the most part had it right. It was in fact one of the few things they agreed on. And it wasn't Israel.

If the Reformers had id “”mostly right” – then WHY did they all invent different doctrines?

WHY did their ecclesial descendants splinter into literally tens of thousands of factions that continue to splinter every day, inventing different doctrines??

 

[Aunty Jane]

NOR do you understand the fact that much of Revelation has already taken place because you follow the teachings of the false prophet, Ellen White.

The Revelation is about our day….it has not all taken place yet but it’s in the process….”just like the days of Noah” Jesus said (Matt 24:37-39)…and here we are in a world where violence and immorality are again rampant in the earth…..the greatest tribulation in the history of mankind is immanent….but you aren’t prepared because you think its all happened already?
God’s kingdom will crush all corrupt politics, greedy commercialism and false religion, out of existence when the kingdom “comes” so that Gods will is “done on earth as it is in heaven.” (Daniel 2:44) This is “the time of the end”….the time Daniel foresaw some 500 years before Christ walked the earth.

You people repeat the Lord’s Prayer mindlessly without ever understanding what Jesus taught us to pray for, or how he taught us to pray. (Matt 6:7-10)

WHY did their ecclesial descendants splinter into literally tens of thousands of factions that continue to splinter every day, inventing different doctrines??

Why? Because the devil sowed weeds…lots of them. All adhere to the same core of teachings….three gods in one head….immortality of the soul….and hellfire…..you all assume that you are going to heaven when that was never in God’s original purpose. He created humankind to live on earth forever in their mortal flesh.
You seem to have no concept as to why God put us here on this planet in the first place.
It wasn’t to bow down before lifeless statues.