Tradition Versus Scripture

[GRACE ambassador]

Jesus told us that he was here to fulfill the law and the law was the commandments, so since I follow Jesus I also try to follow the commandments.

Amen, my brother. Many try to say they no longer apply, but Christ made it clear that they do.

Yes, they do apply, but, Many are Confused - What Saith The Scriptures?:

to: UNbelievers (UNrighteous)?:

1Ti_1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the​

lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane,​

for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,​

to: believers (righteous)?:

Christ Living In us, To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In ONE Word: ►► love ◄◄ thy neighbor
as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)​

Amen.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus told us that he was here to fulfill the law and the law was the commandments, so since I follow Jesus I also try to follow the commandments.

Right - He FULFILLED the Law.

Some aspects f the Law were SHADOWS of what was coming and HE is the reality (Col. 2:16-17).

The very FIRST mention of the Sabbath in ALL of Scripture is when the Israelues are in the desert Ex 16:23-30. God commands them to take a day of rest and eat what they gathered.

WHAT dud they gather? Jesus tells us about that in John 6:
John 6:31-34
“Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’” Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” They said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.”

Read CAREFULLY what Jesus says next . . .
John 6:35
Jesus said to them, “I AM THE BREAD OF LIFE; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.

HE is the entire reason for the Sabbath – and He FULFILLED it with His death and resurrection.
- It was INSTITUTED for the eating of the Bread from Heaven (Manna).
- It was FULFILLED by the eating of the Br4ad of Life (Jesus).

This is why the NT Church gathered on the LORD’S Day – the FIRST day of the week (Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:2, Rev. 1:10) - and NOT on the Sabbath which has been fulfilled.

And this is ALSO why the Apostles did NOT impost the Law on Gentile Christians as we read in their letter in Acts 15:23-29.

 

[Cassandra]

Sabbath is first mentioned in Scripture in Genesis as the 7th day.. Why was it made a part of the 10 commandments if it were not meant to continue to be kept? It was not a ceremonial law--there were no other laws written by the finger of God. God said "Remember" knowing we would forget. Your church keeps almost all of the others.

Saturday in different languages:
Arabic: Sabet
Armenian: Shabat
Bosnian: Subota
Bulgarian: Sabota
Corsican: Sàbatu
Croatian: Subota
Czech: Sobota
Georgian: Sabati
Greek: Savvato
Hebrew: Shabbat
Indonesian: Sabtu
Italian: Sabato
Latin: Sabbatum
Maltese: is-Sibt
Polish: Sobota
Portuguese: Sábado
Romanian: Sambata
Russian: Subbota
Serbian: Subota
Slovak: Sobota
Slovene: Sobota
Somali: Sabti
Spanish: Sabado
Sudanese: Saptu
Ukranian: Subota

Weren't some of these languages begun at Babel? Yet look what they call Saturday, even back then.

 

[Illuminator]

A Saturday Sabbath is a valid day to worship, so the whole Sunday/Saturday controversy is silly. If worship on Saturday only is more important than the Resurrection, then Jesus should apologize to such Sabbatarians for rising from death a day late.
The NT Church gathered on the LORD’S Day – the FIRST day of the week (Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:2, Rev. 1:10) on SUNDAY, the day of the Resurrection, not Saturday.

 

[Brakelite]

"Lizzie" was just sitting in her castle, minding her own business, knitting a sweater for herself and then all of a sudden Spain sent an armada to attack her country.....for no reason? Nothing happened BEFORE the invading force was sent? And that invading force had a "horde of Catholic priests"????????????? You you presented wasn't a "musing". It was a flat out lie..........

So. You admit it was an Catholic invading force bent on dethroning a non Catholic Queen from her rightful position, with the Pope having assumed authority to back and support such a venture. My point is made.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sabbath is first mentioned in Scripture in Genesis as the 7th day.. Why was it made a part of the 10 commandments if it were not meant to continue to be kept? It was not a ceremonial law--there were no other laws written by the finger of God. God said "Remember" knowing we would forget. Your church keeps almost all of the others.

Saturday in different languages:
Arabic: Sabet
Armenian: Shabat
Bosnian: Subota
Bulgarian: Sabota
Corsican: Sàbatu
Croatian: Subota
Czech: Sobota
Georgian: Sabati
Greek: Savvato
Hebrew: Shabbat
Indonesian: Sabtu
Italian: Sabato
Latin: Sabbatum
Maltese: is-Sibt
Polish: Sobota
Portuguese: Sábado
Romanian: Sambata
Russian: Subbota
Serbian: Subota
Slovak: Sobota
Slovene: Sobota
Somali: Sabti
Spanish: Sabado
Sudanese: Saptu
Ukranian: Subota

Weren't some of these languages begun at Babel? Yet look what they call Saturday, even back then.

Who said it was to be "discontinued"?
It is fulfilled - not forgotten.

As Illuminator stated - the earlu Church hathered on Sunday, the Lord's Day (Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:2, Rev. 1:10).

The Apostles did NOT requiew the Genties to observe any of the other ceremonial or dietary aspects of the Law (Acts 15:23-29) because they were fulfilled in Christ (Col. 2:16-17).

 

[Aunty Jane]

Sabbath is first mentioned in Scripture in Genesis as the 7th day.. Why was it made a part of the 10 commandments if it were not meant to continue to be kept? It was not a ceremonial law--there were no other laws written by the finger of God. God said "Remember" knowing we would forget. Your church keeps almost all of the others.

The keeping of a weekly Sabbath is an interesting topic as it seems to divide people of various Christian denominations. I think we have to start by understanding that The Law, including the 10 Commandments, was given to Israel at Mt Sinai by God, to Moses (his mediator) and then to the people whom he had just delivered from slavery in Egypt.

The history of the Sabbath is interesting….

“From a Hebrew word meaning “to rest; to cease.” It is the seventh day of the Jewish week (sunset Friday to sunset Saturday). Some other festive days in the year, as well as the 7th and 50th years, were also called sabbaths. On the Sabbath day, no work except priestly service in the sanctuary was to be done. In Sabbath years, the land was to lie uncultivated and fellow Hebrews were not pressed for repayment of debts. In the Mosaic Law, the restrictions for the Sabbath were reasonable, but religious leaders gradually added to them, so that by Jesus’ day they were hard for people to observe.— Exodus 20:8; Leviticus 13:14-16; Colossians 2:16.”
Source

Exodus 31:16-17…..
“The Israelites must keep the Sabbath; they must observe the Sabbath during all their generations. It is a lasting covenant. 17 It is an enduring sign between me and the people of Israel, for in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth and on the seventh day he rested and refreshed himself.’”

We understand that the Sabbath law was given only to the Israelites who were under law from birth. The seventh day was a rest day, to keep spiritual things to the forefront at least one day in the week. Even in the wilderness God made provision through the manna to provide enough on the 6th day to cover the 7th….and unlike the other days of the week, the manna did not spoil.

Because this was between God and his own nation, no others were commanded to keep the Law except those who converted to the Jewish faith. Since Gentiles were accepted into the Christian arrangement, there was no law imposed on them except the “necessary things” that the apostles listed that applied to the Gentiles because the Jews already knew and observed God’s law.

Reading Acts 15:28-29, we see what those necessary things were….
“For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”

So, no Sabbath observance was mentioned, as it was also with circumcision….these laws only applied to Jews….
Having said that, there is no law forbidding it either, so any who wish to circumcise their boys or to observe the 7th day as a holy day for spiritual pursuits, are free to do so, but not free to impose that law on others…..because for Gentiles there is no written law….they are governed by their God given conscience, having taken into account all the things Jesus taught about morality and what makes our worship acceptable to God, not man.

The Catholic Church had one agenda….to promote sun worship in any way they could under the disguise of Christianity…..




It’s there in plain sight…all Catholic tradition……so, a day dedicated to the sun was almost a foregone conclusion. The Roman Emperor who declared Roman Catholicism to be the state religion of the Empire, was a worshipper of Zeus his whole life. Images of Jesus bear a strange resemblance.
(Google images)

 

[Brakelite]

The Law, including the 10 Commandments, was given to Israel at Mt Sinai by God, to Moses (his mediator) and then to the people whom he had just delivered from slavery in Egypt.

With the inference you spoke of later...

Because this was between God and his own nation, no others were commanded to keep the Law except those who converted to the Jewish faith.

So, what you are saying is that before Sinai, murder was okay, as was adultery, theft, fornication, idolatry, covetousness, lying, cursing, etc. Oh, and of course it was okay to desecrate holy things... Like the Sabbath... Before Sinai.

there was no law imposed on them (the Gentiles) except the “necessary things”

to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols,

from blood,

from what is strangled

and from sexual immorality.

But idolatry, murder, lying, covetousness and profaning holy things, such as the Sabbath, was okay. So long as they didn't drink blood, fornicate, strangle the cat, and eating prawns from the neighbours altar.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Catholic Church had one agenda….to promote sun worship in any way they could under the disguise of Christianity…..
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It’s there in plain sight…all Catholic tradition……so, a day dedicated to the sun was almost a foregone conclusion. The Roman Emperor who declared Roman Catholicism to be the state religion of the Empire, was a worshipper of Zeus his whole life. Images of Jesus bear a strange resemblance.
(Google images)

An idiotic accusation, to be sure . . .

Tell me something – if “sun-worship” is the agenda of the Catholic Church – the WHY is worship of anything or anyone other than God condemned as idolatry in the Catechism?
Why is there NO mention of sun-worship in the Catechism?

The fact is - that this kind of stupidity finds its origins largely in the 19th century book, The Two Babylons, by Alexander Hislop, who was a virulent anti-Catholic.

He had a huge fan in Ralph Woodrow, a 20th century minister who loved Hislop’s book so much that he also wrote a book based on Hislop’s work called, Babylon Mystery Religion.

HOWEVER, while doing research for a follow-up book, Woodrow discovered to his horror that Hislop simply made up most of the “facts” in his book. He wrote The Babylon Connection? to dispel the myths.

Woodrow now runs a website with his wife apologizing for having given false information based on Hislop’s book.

Unfortunately for YOU – your mind has bee polluted by Hislop’s lies. Anti-Catholics like Jack Chick took the message and ran with it in the 20th century, building an entire comic book publishing empire based on this manure.

 

[Marymog]

So. You admit it was an Catholic invading force bent on dethroning a non Catholic Queen from her rightful position, with the Pope having assumed authority to back and support such a venture. My point is made.

You make absolutely ZERO sense.......at no point at no time did I ever admit OR suggest anything like that. You twist history, the bible and my words. You crack me up and you always have.....

Maybe @amigo de christo can help you make sense out of your answer to me since they liked your non-sensical post. Get with them....talk it out Then get back with me!

 

[Marymog]

The keeping of a weekly Sabbath is an interesting topic as it seems to divide people of various Christian denominations.,,,,,,,

Lol...NOPE, it hasn't divided Christian denominations. Best estimate is that around 2% of Christians practice Saturday Sabbath with the biggest being 7th day Adventist who created, out of whole cloth, the practice of Saturday Sabath in the 19th century. Some fell for that false teaching.

With that said, 98% of Christians are not divided....the 2% fell away from the teachings of the Apostles in the 19th Century.

 

[Brakelite]

An idiotic accusation, to be sure . . .

Tell me something – if “sun-worship” is the agenda of the Catholic Church – the WHY is worship of anything or anyone other than God condemned as idolatry in the Catechism?
Why is there NO mention of sun-worship in the Catechism?

The fact is - that this kind of stupidity finds its origins largely in the 19th century book, The Two Babylons, by Alexander Hislop, who was a virulent anti-Catholic.

He had a huge fan in Ralph Woodrow, a 20th century minister who loved Hislop’s book so much that he also wrote a book based on Hislop’s work called, Babylon Mystery Religion.

HOWEVER, while doing research for a follow-up book, Woodrow discovered to his horror that Hislop simply made up most of the “facts” in his book. He wrote The Babylon Connection? to dispel the myths.

Woodrow now runs a website with his wife apologizing for having given false information based on Hislop’s book.

Unfortunately for YOU – your mind has bee polluted by Hislop’s lies. Anti-Catholics like Jack Chick took the message and ran with it in the 20th century, building an entire comic book publishing empire based on this manure.

The problem you have BoL is that one doesn't need Hislop or Woodrow to see sun worship being a prevalent theme throughout Catholicism. It is evident for all to see, the pictures Jane posting above but the tip of the iceberg.
You criticism of Hislop may or may not be justified, but in context with the subject matter, irrelevant. Casting Jane's post aside with a snide "an idiotic accusation" and a weak reference to the catechism (which is hardly going to brandish an open boast regarding sun worship) is not in any way shape or form an answer to Jane's assertion. What are you going to do with the many evidences that proclaim otherwise when it comes to the symbolism and demonstration of your church's obsession with the sun?
One could argue this further when you see the angels in Catholic culture being represented as babies with little wings and harps. The sum of all this imagery is a reduction of the glory and power and majesty of God to make Him less than the imagined glory, power, and majesty of the Pope.

 

[Brakelite]

7th day Adventist who created, out of whole cloth, the practice of Saturday Sabath in the 19th century.

Don't embarrass yourself any further. Leave this discussion for those who know what they are talking about and who have at the very least some desire to speak the truth.

 

[Aunty Jane]

So, what you are saying is that before Sinai, murder was okay, as was adultery, theft, fornication, idolatry, covetousness, lying, cursing, etc. Oh, and of course it was okay to desecrate holy things... Like the Sabbath... Before Sinai.

Is that what I said...?

Since the Law was written after Sinai, the first Scriptural mention of a sabbath is in the book of Exodus. While the Israelites were in the desert, they received manna from Jehovah. Each sixth day of the week, they were to gather a double portion because the seventh day was to be “a sabbath to Jehovah,” during which all work was forbidden. (Exodus 16:4-5; 22-25)

The Israelites were given the Sabbath to remind them that they had been slaves in Egypt. This reminder would have been of little significance if they had previously held to that law. Therefore, the regulations governing the Sabbath were given to Israel alone.

"Jehovah our God made a covenant with us in Horʹeb. 3 It was not with our forefathers that Jehovah made this covenant, but with us, all of us alive here today." (Deut 5:2-3; 12-15)

idolatry, murder, lying, covetousness and profaning holy things, such as the Sabbath, was okay. So long as they didn't drink blood, fornicate, strangle the cat, and eating prawns from the neighbours altar.

Romans 4:13-15...
"For it was not through law that Abraham or his offspring had the promise that he should be heir of a world, but it was through righteousness by faith. 14 For if those who adhere to law are heirs, faith becomes useless and the promise has been abolished. 15 In reality the Law produces wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there any transgression."

You can't break a law that is not yet written.
God's righteous requirements would have been conveyed to his ancient servants before Moses recorded the Law.

At Deuteronomy 5:15, Moses said: “You must remember that you became a slave in the land of Egypt and Jehovah your God proceeded to bring you out from there with a strong hand and an outstretched arm. That is why Jehovah your God commanded you to carry on the sabbath day.” The sabbath was given to the Israelites to commemorate their deliverance and to act as a sign of their covenant relationship with God. (Exodus 31:16-1) That cannot be said of Christians.

Having said that, as I mentioned before, there is no prohibitioin against observing a spiritual day of rest if that is what you wish to do. But it is not a law that pertains to Gentile believers.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Tell me something – if “sun-worship” is the agenda of the Catholic Church – the WHY is worship of anything or anyone other than God condemned as idolatry in the Catechism?
Why is there NO mention of sun-worship in the Catechism?

Everything had to look "Christian" so sun worship was disguised.....the worship of the "sun" became the worship of the "son"

Can you tell me something...?
Why is there a Babylonian sun wheel in St Peter's Square? And why was an obelisk that represented the sun god Ra imported from Egypt and given pride of place in the middle of the "Square"?



Why is the wafer offered at Mass in the shape of the sun, when Jesus broke the bread, meaning that it had no particular shape?

Unfortunately for YOU – your mind has bee polluted by Hislop’s lies. Anti-Catholics like Jack Chick took the message and ran with it in the 20th century, building an entire comic book publishing empire based on this manure.

We don't need Hyslop or anyone else to point out the manure, because the Catholic church hides it all in plain sight....they just call it something else.....where will I find Jesus celebrating a Mass?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Lol...NOPE, it hasn't divided Christian denominations. Best estimate is that around 2% of Christians practice Saturday Sabbath with the biggest being 7th day Adventist who created, out of whole cloth, the practice of Saturday Sabath in the 19th century. Some fell for that false teaching.

The last time I looked at a calendar, the 7th day was Saturday.
Legislating Sunday as a day of religious observance, originated in the Roman Empire more than sixteen centuries ago. According to Clark’s Biblical Law, it began when “Constantine the Great passed an edict commanding all judges and inhabitants of cities to rest on the venerable day of the Sun.” Since this first day of the week was the day pagan Romans dedicated to sun worship, why do professed Christians observe it as a sabbath and a holy day?

With that said, 98% of Christians are not divided....the 2% fell away from the teachings of the Apostles in the 19th Century.

So, is there safety in numbers then?
If Jesus said that "many" are on the road to destruction...that leaves the "few" who find their way onto the road to life, through a very narrow gate. (Matt 7:13-14)
What if the 98% are kidding themselves?

 

[Marymog]

The last time I looked at a calendar, the 7th day was Saturday.
Legislating Sunday as a day of religious observance, originated in the Roman Empire more than sixteen centuries ago. According to Clark’s Biblical Law, it began when “Constantine the Great passed an edict commanding all judges and inhabitants of cities to rest on the venerable day of the Sun.” Since this first day of the week was the day pagan Romans dedicated to sun worship, why do professed Christians observe it as a sabbath and a holy day?

So, is there safety in numbers then?
If Jesus said that "many" are on the road to destruction...that leaves the "few" who find their way onto the road to life, through a very narrow gate. (Matt 7:13-14)
What if the 98% are kidding themselves?

Hi Aunt Jane,

I am not sure what your point is about Constantine passing an edict on ALL citizens has to do with Christians practicing Sunday worship for 300 years BEFORE he passed that edict.......... but as long as you think it has a connection then so be it.......thank you for your opinion.

No, there is not safety in numbers. The minority is in jeopardy of losing eternal salvation by preaching/practicing opposite of what the Apostles taught/practiced.

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in regard to....... a Sabbath day! Why do you think that is in Scripture Jane?

Sunday was the day Jesus was found to have been resurrected, and his first two appearance to the twelve disciples were on the following two Sundays (Jn. 20:19, 20:26). Again, five weeks later—on Sunday—the Holy Spirit descended on the apostles. Why do you think that is Jane?

Also, I could provide you Christian historical writings from the time that the Apostles were alive that show that Christians were practicing Sunday worship.....but you would reject those historical writings, wouldn't you Jane? However, you accept the writings (opinions) of men from the 18th century?

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Don't embarrass yourself any further. Leave this discussion for those who know what they are talking about and who have at the very least some desire to speak the truth.

You crack me up brokelite.

Hey brokelite: what was Lizzy doing BEFORE the Spanish Armada arrived? I mean did the Spanish just wake up one day and decide to invade? I know your scared to answer that question because it destroys your false narrative...but everything about you is false kiddo.

Also, can you provide any historical evidence that those ships in the armada were filled with priests and assassin's? Or is that just more of the deceitful lies you spew?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

The Catholic Church had one agenda….to promote sun worship in any way they could under the disguise of Christianity…..
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It’s there in plain sight…all Catholic tradition……so, a day dedicated to the sun was almost a foregone conclusion. The Roman Emperor who declared Roman Catholicism to be the state religion of the Empire, was a worshipper of Zeus his whole life. Images of Jesus bear a strange resemblance.
(Google images)

Hey Jane,

Did you know that ancient Christian art used 'halos' (what appears to be the sun behind the head) to depict important Christians, not just Christ, in their painting? It has been used in the iconography of many religions to indicate holy or sacred figures and has at various periods also been used in images of rulers and heroes. In the religious art of Ancient Greece, Rome, Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism among other religions, sacred persons may be depicted with a halo!!!

Those pesky little facts kind of destroy your opinion!!!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Hi Aunt Jane,

I am not sure what your point is about Constantine passing an edict on ALL citizens has to do with Christians practicing Sunday worship for 300 years BEFORE he passed that edict.......... but as long as you think it has a connection then so be it.......thank you for your opinion.

I guess we have to go back to the first century to ascertain when the “falling away” that Jesus and his apostles warned was coming, took root……it was stated by the apostle Paul that it was “already at work” in his day, towards the end of the first century. So the previous 300 years was only a lead up to what followed in the 4th century with the establishment of Roman Catholicism as the state religion of the Roman Empire.

The “connection” was not that “Christianity” was altered into something Christ would no longer recognize, but when it took place……and when it was cemented into an edict that fused pagan Roman sun worship with the true worship of Jehovah.

When Jesus comes to judge the world, he will say to those deceived “Christians”…”I never knew you”…..(Matt 7:21-23)
”NEVER” means “not ever”, so the “many” will receive his rejection, whereas the “few” will be granted everlasting life because they refused to accept what Christ never taught as doctrines. (Matt 15:7-9)

No, there is not safety in numbers. The minority is in jeopardy of losing eternal salvation by preaching/practicing opposite of what the Apostles taught/practiced.

You first have to know what Jesus and his apostles taught in order to identify what was added all those centuries ago to take “Christianity” off the path to life. It is the many who will lose salvation because they cannot accept the truth…they love the lies and will not part with them.

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in regard to....... a Sabbath day! Why do you think that is in Scripture Jane?

The apostle Paul was stating that Christians are no longer under the Law which mandated a Sabbath observance for Jews. “Christ is the end of the Law” having fulfilled his role as Messiah and redeemer.
So no Christian, especially Jewish Christians were to be judged for not observing the Sabbath. Gentile believers were not obliged to keep Jewish Law , but “the law of the Christ” now involved just two basic and important principles…..”love for God with our whole heart, mind and soul….and to love our neighbor as ourselves”. Keeping those two laws in our heart would prevent us from doing what God condemns.

Sunday was the day Jesus was found to have been resurrected, and his first two appearance to the twelve disciples were on the following two Sundays (Jn. 20:19, 20:26). Again, five weeks later—on Sunday—the Holy Spirit descended on the apostles. Why do you think that is Jane?

What do the scriptures say? That is more important than what any of us want to think…
Sunday holds NO religious significance in the scriptures. No special day was to be observed by Christ’s disciples because every day was to be lived by the two laws that Christ gave us.
The only observance to be held yearly, like the Jewish Passover was, was the memorial of Christ’s death….a reminder that the Passover Lamb has been sacrificed and that his blood is figuratively on the doorposts of every true believer’s heart.

Also, I could provide you Christian historical writings from the time that the Apostles were alive that show that Christians were practicing Sunday worship.....but you would reject those historical writings, wouldn't you Jane? However, you accept the writings (opinions) of men from the 18th century?

There is no scripture that refers to Sunday worship. The scriptures that you may refer to were not gatherings for worship, but meals shared together in loving fellowship.

It was the prophet Daniel who told us what to expect in this “time of the end”…a time when “knowledge“ would “become abundant” (Daniel 12:4, 9-10)….so I will most certainly accept what that knowledge imparts at this critical time in human history. The “cleansing and refining” that was foretold, happened when the “wheat” saw the need to be separated from the “weeds”. The call to “get out of Babylon the great” was heeded (Rev 18:4-5) and the true disciples of Jesus heard that call and acted on it….eliminating from their worship, things that had no right to be there.

I have never heard the Catholic Church say anything about the times Jesus spoke about concerning his return. Is the church warning it’s flocks about this immanent event? If not, why not? We are again in a situation “just like the days of Noah” (Matt 24:37-39) where violence and immorality are saturating every corner of the world.…a world where satan rules. (1 John 5:19)

Unless we are prepared and have eliminated from our lives all the things that invalidate our worship, we will not be saved. That is Jesus’ sobering message.