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  1. 101G

    101G Well-Known Member

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    to agree to disagree is a trick of the devil to keep christian apart. if one agree to disagree, do you not know that you're still in disagreement. you're agreeing, contracting to stay in disagreement. as Amos said, "how can two walk together unless they agree. the apostle Paul wrote, "let their be no division among you".
    yes, you can disagree with me, but not the scriptures.
    so it's your choice.

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    Yes, that is correct. I am not disagreeing with the scriptures but with you.

    So if you don't want to agree to disagree on this issue of the hypostatic union, come over to my side. Because I ain't budging.

    The hypostatic union is sound doctrine.
     
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    there is no thing as hypostatic union. did you not read the scriptures?. listen, Heb 2:14 KJV Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil

    you need to understand the difference between "took part" and "partake", they are not the same. do your home work, because I'm not budging either off the scriptures. now one more, Phi 2:7-8 KJV 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    hold it, "made in the likeness of men", if he was a man as a "partaker", why say in likeness?... or as said, "as, as, as, a man, why not just say is a "man". no because he is is is is a "Spirit", diversified in flesh. he has no mother or father, so he was not a partaker of humanity, but took part in humanity.
    so no, we will stay with the truth, the scriptures.
    now, if you think that the Lord Jesus is or was a man like you and I please post book chapter and verse of his Biological father, and Biological mother, if so that will put an end to any hypostatic union none sense.
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    His mother was Mary and his Father is the Holy Ghost. He is "the Son of the Father" 2 John 1:3...

    Even though His Father is the very Spirit that indwells Him; nevertheless it is true that His biological Father is a miraculous work in which the Holy Ghost became one with the egg in the womb of the virgin Mary.

    Luk 1:35, And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

    That He is the Son of God indicates that God is His Father; and the scripture above (in context) indicates that He would be born of Mary and that therefore she is His mother.
     
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    MARY WAS NOT HIS "BIOLOGICAL" MOTHER, she was only his surrogate mother. so that killed that ERROR.
    Glad you used that verse, it is the Holy Ghost who is the Father of us all, Spiritually. so if any title held for "Father" it's the Holy Ghost. which eliminates any other persons as the so-called first person Father. now the Holy Spirit is just that Spirit. scripture, John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit". well that just eliminated any hypostatic union.
    so all of your scriptures are reproved.

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  7. justbyfaith

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    Scripture that says that Mary was a surrogate mother?

    Sorry I just don't see it. You are going to have to explain it to me better, how you think what you just said eliminates the hypostatic union.

    The Holy Ghost it the title given to the Spirit of Jesus when He was released to the Father (He who stayed behind in eternity to answer the prayers of Jesus).

    Of course the Spirit of Jesus is the Father.

    And so the Holy Ghost is also the Father.

    However, the Holy Ghost is distinct from the Father also; as he ascended to be outside of time, dwelling next to the Father in eternity. The Holy Ghost also has a personality that is affected by the fact that he has lived a human life; and so He is slightly different in personality from the Father: He is the "future" of the Father, so to speak. He is the Father after He became Jesus and lived a human life.
     
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    Heb 10:5 "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me" bingo. and one more for good measure, Hebrews 7:14 "For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood”. see, he sprang out, NOT”FROM” Judah. but you want understand. but one more,
    Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing, (thing, here means flesh), which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God". notice shall be called, not named, but called Son of God, (flesh is born), Son of God means flesh on earth. go back to Isaiah. 9:6, "unto us a child is born". so Son of God means, flesh in nature, a nature that will suffer the cross.
    note also the word overshadow, it's the Greek word G1982 ἐπισκιάζω episkiazo (ep-ee-skee-ad'-zo) v.
    1. to cast a shade upon
    2. (by analogy) to envelop in a haze of brilliancy
    3. (figuratively) to invest with preternatural influence

    take note of the 3rd. reference. "to invest with preternatural influence", what do preternatural means. It means, "out of the ordinary course of nature; exceptional or abnormal". the meaning here, not in the natural way of conception between a man and a women. this body as I have said, God conceived or God made, and “formed” in Mary’s womb. Did he not formed Jeremiah body in his mothers womb before he was born, or was brought forth. for the scripture states, "prepare me a body"', Hebrews 10:5.
    if you get it fine, if no, still fine. as always, I leave you to Revelation 22:11.... see ya.
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    I would think that Genesis 3:15 would have a say in our understanding. "the seed of the woman"...the supernatural creation of the male reproductive animal that is of the woman rather than the man. This male reproductive animal being the Holy Ghost in flesh; which combined with the egg in the womb of Mary to produce a zygote that is 100% God and 100% Man.

    I also leave you to Revelation 22:11...for the hypostatic union is known to be sound doctrine...and departure from it is heresy.

    Tit 1:9, Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

    Tit 3:10, A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
    Tit 3:11, Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

    I believe that this counts as being your second admonition...but I think that you will wake up and smell the coffee before I would have to reject you as a heretick over your rejection of the hypostatic union as a doctrine.
     
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    GINOLJC, to all. first, Genesis 3:15 is not supernatural, it's spiritual, meaning your character, or your characteristics, or the way one acts. a seed spiritually, conveys character. you need to look up the term Son, as it is used in the Greek G5207, huios. it have nothing to do with sex. listen, 1Tim 1:2 "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord". now was Timothy Paul's own biological son? NO, and again we say NO. he was a son in the "FAITH".
    now as for "BEGOTTEN", scripture, 1Cor 4:15 "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel". ok, did Paul lay, or had sex with a lot of women to beget them there? No, and again we say no. he begot them throught the gospel. Justbyfaith, are you really understanding what you're reading? now this in reference to your Genesis 3:15 seed, listen, Matt 12:34 "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh". THERE IT IS "being evil" THESE ARE THE SON, OR THE SEED OF THE DEVIL, (straight outta of compton... sorry, straight outta of Adam and Eve, their son "Cain"). THEY ARE "EVIL", HENCE THERE CHARACTERISTIC.

    this is why you error, because your doctoral beliefs are misguided. you're not understanding spiritual things, no natural things.
    please understand me, this is not a put down, but might want to consider studying terms
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    It should be obvious that when anyone refers to a son, that this is not limited to spiritual children: that one may indeed be speaking of physical offspring when referring to someone as a son; while the son being spoken of may be merely spiritual, if I refer to someone as my son, you would have to know the specifics of the relationship to determine whether physical/biological sonship is excluded from the statement.

    And in Genesis 3:15, it does not refer to the seed as a son, but as the seed of the woman.

    I do believe that this can be compared to Isaiah 7:14 in which the virgin birth is prophesied.
     
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    you still don't understand, scripture,
    John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
    John 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
    John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
    John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
    John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
    John 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    now, justbyfaith, was these people slithering on the ground, or did they had fork tongues .... physically, or scally skin? no, but the devil was there "FATHER" ... how? just listen to what was written here, listen, John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it". bingo.
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    However, in all of this you did not address what was said to you in the post that you were responding to.

    And if, in this post, you are trying to tell me that my father is the devil, I'm sorry, but it has rolled off of me like water off of a duck's back.

    Because I definitely have love for you in my heart, because God is my Father; and I honour my Father and ye do dishonour me.
     
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    GINOLJC, to all.
    you missed the info again, you said,
    we did, the seed is spiritual. you just missed it.
    You say.
    You say.

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