Keiw
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The bible doesnt teach what you said. ONLY the little flock are promised heaven as spirit beings. The great crowd remain on Earth as mortals.
Ultimately, it's not a matter of who is right and who is wrong... (?)
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PS95
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I got nothing other than the usual banter. I have told to you that if John has used the definite article in John 1c it would have meant that the Son is His Father.
We all know that is incorrect!
If John wanted it to say only a divine being (a god) he would have used another word.
You are stuck on a "the". Satan is called "the god". This whole thing is baloney.
NO THING was created without the Word. NO THING = NOTHING.
PS95
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PS95
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You asked me why we die if Jesus actually paid for our sins!!! SO You think our bodies should not die if we belong to Christ & are forgiven our sins?
Keiw
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Prov 8:22-possessed( created) me as the beginning of your way=Gods master worker( Prov 8:30)=the one who was beside God during the creation process=Jesus=0 doubt in all creation. Gives 100% credit to Jehovah=HE= Prov 8:27-28--= all OTHER things created THROUGH his master worker.
PS95
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Possessed does not mean created. lol The wisdom of God YES, He sure is, and you want to tell us that God did not possess wisdom so, He had to create it? Are you for real, Keiw? In proverbs, Wisdom is running through the streets with PRUDENCE. Who is prudence? Gabriel? It's the personification of wisdom. Can you see the wisdom in God's creation? Good. me too. God always had wisdom! Please read verses below. OTHER things is NOT in the Greek and you know it.
THROUGH - "let their be light" Did God not speak ALL THINGS into creation by(through) His Word? Gen; "Let there be light".. ETC
2 Peter 3:5-- For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the WORD OF GOD.
PS 33:6-- By the WORD of the LORD the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host
Jer 10:12--The LORD made the earth by His power; He established the world by His wisdom and stretched out the heavens by His understanding.
Prov 3:9-- The LORD founded the earth by wisdom and established the heavens by understanding.
PS 148:5-6-- Let them praise the name of the LORD, for He gave the command and they were created.
PS 33:9-- For He spoke, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood firm.
Gen 1:3-- And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
Heb 11:3-- By faith we understand that the world has been created by the word of God so that what is seen has not been made out of things that are visible.
PS 148:5 --Let them praise the name of the LORD, for He gave the command and they were created.
Ro 4:17-- As it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations.” He is our father in the presence of God, in whom he believed, the God who gives life to the dead and calls into being what does not yet exist.
Isa 45:12 It is I who made the earth and created mankind on it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.
Job 9:8-- He alone stretches out the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.
Isa 44:24 --Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone,
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
amen.
"Ultimately, it's not a matter of who is right and who is wrong.
I need to follow my convictions. Especially as it concerns the character of God." - SteVen
(quoted from another topic) I thought it might be worth discussing as a topic.
My views on who is and isn't a Christian are pretty broad.
I can identify (and disagree with) nominal Christianity. But beyond that I am very inclusive.
I was raised Protestant, but I don't discount Catholics or Orthodox Christians.
Even if they discount me, which happens on occasion. (to be expected, I suppose)
If we put religious affiliations and doctrine aside:
- What is of most importance?
- What are your personal convictions?
- What about those who don't share your personal convictions?
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I need to follow my convictions. Especially as it concerns the character of God." - SteVen
(quoted from another topic) I thought it might be worth discussing as a topic.
My views on who is and isn't a Christian are pretty broad.
I can identify (and disagree with) nominal Christianity. But beyond that I am very inclusive.
I was raised Protestant, but I don't discount Catholics or Orthodox Christians.
Even if they discount me, which happens on occasion. (to be expected, I suppose)
If we put religious affiliations and doctrine aside:
- What is of most importance?
- What are your personal convictions?
- What about those who don't share your personal convictions?
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Who is your God stevie? God of the Bible Who drowned all but 8 on earth, "making them an example". Or your personal made up god? Do you have any clue at all?
The Bible tells us. You should read it some time.
Hebrews 10:31
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
When did God ever ask your permission?
Behold
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Hell is filled with people who said.....>>"does it matter who is right and who is wrong". ="After all, everyone has a theological opinion about how to go to Heaven, and my opinion is just as good as yours".......they said to PAUL's Gospel.
They don't feel that way now.
You can't be born again in Hell.
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Wick Stick
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A thought for your consideration...
What if God has been presented to you as fearful and vengeful, because the people presenting Him that way want to control you through fear?
Does that seem like an unkind thought? I think it's kinder than the alternative... that you just like punching down, in order to prop yourself up.
Behold
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What if people who are not really saved, teach you that Hell does not exist, because they are getting ready to move in...... what then?
Wick Stick
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The point of the verse is that we should NOT take vengeance. You seem to have left out the first half of the verse, though:
Romans 12:19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."
Imagine reading a verse for its meaning within context.
True indeed, but He certainly will.
My point exactly.
And the context is perfectly clear. BILLIONS of humans will burn in Hell "Forever and ever". Jesus said so.Imagine reading a verse for its meaning within context.
Keiw
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1) Jesus showed all in the Lords prayer what is most important= His Fathers name, and his Fathers kingdom and will.
2)Jehovah is the true living God.
3) Basically Gods written word has judged already on matters. I feel sad for the mislead who desire to serve God.
It does matter if one is right-John 4:22-24--The word- RIGHTeous shows it as well.
Nothing more important than escaping Hell Fire, NOTHING!
Mt 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Mt 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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