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Pearl

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But god just sits there and watches as horrendous things happen to children. Can he not stop it? You would if you could I bet.
It is an eternal question Vince, something that even most Christians don't understand. But we accept that he is Sovereign and also that he is Love.
 
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The rabbit hole huh? I'll show you the rabbit hole.

Everything people believe is a lie, beliefs, any type of belief is a lie.

Believing itself is a lie.
I think belief is all we have. We cannot be 100% certain of anything but we can be highly confident of a lot of things based on evidence.
 

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It is an eternal question Vince, something that even most Christians don't understand. But we accept that he is Sovereign and also that he is Love.
Why? In the face of this evidence to the contrary.
 

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The rabbit hole huh? I'll show you the rabbit hole.

Everything people believe is a lie, beliefs, any type of belief is a lie.

Believing itself is a lie.
Did you watch the video?
 

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The rabbit hole huh? I'll show you the rabbit hole.

Everything people believe is a lie, beliefs, any type of belief is a lie.

Believing itself is a lie.
You have problems.
 

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Why believe thing's you don't know Vince?

Just accept you just don't know, until you do.
That is what belief is. Belief is not 100% certainty. We cannot be 100% certain of anything in my opinion so what we believe is true is based on evidence and a confidence level from that evidence. I am almost 100% sure that the sun will still be here tomorrow when I wake up based on a lot of evidence but I cannot be 100% certain, I cannot know the future.
 
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Pearl

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A Muslim can also say the same thing to me. Why should I believe you over them?

I am not looking for 100% certainty because that is not attainable for anything. I am looking for sufficient evidence.
Our God rose from the grave. Muhammed did not.
 

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It is an eternal question Vince, something that even most Christians don't understand. But we accept that he is Sovereign and also that he is Love.
The preacher Spurgeon was asked how to reconcile the sovereignty of God with human responsibility; he replied, I would not want to try to reconcile two friends. (!)

In other words, both are Scriptural.
 

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That has not been substantiated.
Maybe not to your satisfaction. Well why should a non-believer believe that Jesus rose from the dead? But there is a tomb where Mohammed is buried but there is no tomb for Jesus as the tomb they laid him in was empty.

ps I don't understand why non-believers would want to come and argue about what they don't believe unless it is to cause disruption. What is your reason?
 

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Which is pretty convenient I guess.
Told you that you wouldn't understand. That's because you have rejected Jesus and his work on the cross.