Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

[Douggg]

Show me one place below where 2 thess 2:3 is mentioned by douggg, it isnt

2 Thessalonians 2: 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

I had noted 2Thessalonians2:3, the falling, away, on my chart in red....

 

[Douggg]

Scripture teaches that armies surrounding a future Jerusalem will be a sign that Daniel's AOD is near Luke 21:20, this AOD will start the future 3.5 year great tribulation in the Antichrist proclaiming to be God-Messiah in Jerusalem 2 Thess 2:3-4

(The Beast) and (The Two Witnesses) will be on this earth in Jerusalem during the same time frame of 3.5 years, the two prophets returned will bring all plagues upon the wicked world so often as they will as the Holy Spirit sealed Church is protected Rev 9:4, Eph 1:13, 4:30 a good description of these plagues can be seen in Rev 16:1-11, its going to be a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

When the prophets returned have finished their work on earth (The Beast) will kill them, their dead bodies will lay in a literal Jerusalem street for 3.5 days as a wicked world watches in celebration because the plagues brought by them tormented the world, after this 3.5 days they will be raised from the dead when God raises them to heaven

After the two prophets are raised to heaven (The Same Hour) the great earthquake takes place as the 2nd woe is fulfilled, the 3rd woe comes even quicker in the 7th Angel/Trump Rev 11:15 in the second coming of the Lord in fire and final judgement Rev 11:18 (The End)

Conclusion: From the time (The Beast) kills the (Two Witnesses) until the time the 7th trump is blown will be a matter of about 4 days

The Beast & The Two Witnesses will be on the earth for the same time frame of 3.5 years as clearly shown, simple, clear, easy to understand, 3.5 days + 1 hour + quickly = Roughly 4 days = (The Last Day) The End

Jesus Is The Lord

So in your Amil view, you fit the 42 months and 1260 days of Revelation into a 3.5 year period - that begins with the AoD set up and end with Jesus's return.

Where do you place the 1290 days of Daniel 12:11 and the 1335th day of Daniel 12:12 ?

Where do you place the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 ?

 

[Douggg]

Not one word in the scripture you provided even hints at a pre-trib rapture

The resurrection/rapture may or may not happen pre-70th week. Which pre-70th week is before God's wrath begins.

Since you don't believe that the full 70th week of Daniel 9:27 is still unfulfilled, where do you place the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39 - relative to your Amil 3.5 year period view?

 

[Truth7t7]

2 Thessalonians 2: 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

I had noted 2Thessalonians2:3, the falling, away, on my chart in red....

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Your claim is false, you gave no note of your chart in post #37 as claimed, Pinocchio's nose is growing

Nothing in 2 Thess 2:3 shows a pre-trib rapture "Falling Away" Apostasia is the apostasy of the church leaving a once held truth

(Quote Douggg post #37)
"1Thessalonians5:9-11 indicates that the resurrection/rapture event will take place before God's wrath begins.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do."

 

[Truth7t7]

where do you place the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39

The battle seen in Ezekiel Chapter 39 was fought "Long Ago" with wooden weapons of warfare, bows, arrows, spears, shields, these wooden weapons were burned in the cities of Israel "Long Ago" Fulfilled

Ezekiel 399-10KJV
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.

 

[Truth7t7]

The resurrection/rapture may or may not happen pre-70th week. Which pre-70th week is before God's wrath begins.

Since you don't believe that the full 70th week of Daniel 9:27 is still unfulfilled, where do you place the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39 - relative to your Amil 3.5 year period view?

The 6th vial presently has Satan bound, when it's poured out towards the end of the 3.5 year tribulation, satan will be released to perform God's will in gathering the world's nation's to the final battle, as unclean spirits go forth to the kings of the world as seen below

The 7th vial poured is a parallel event of the 7th Angel/Trump sounding Rev 11:15 in the end of this world as Rev 16:17 shows (It Is Done) The End

Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Revelation 11:15KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[Douggg]

The battle seen in Ezekiel Chapter 39 was fought "Long Ago" with wooden weapons of warfare, bows, arrows, spears, shields, these wooden weapons were burned in the cities of Israel "Long Ago" Fulfilled

In Ezekiel 38, the Gog/Magog event will take place in the latter years, latter days. So again, where do you place the Gog/Magog event relative to your Amil 3.5 year period ?

Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

 

[Douggg]

Your claim is false, you gave no note of your chart in post #37 as claimed, Pinocchio's nose is growing

You cited the wrong post. Not post #37, but my Post #32, that I posted two charts. The 2Thessalonians2:3 falling away notation in red is on the second one.

 

[Douggg]

 

[CrowCross]

Show me one place below where 2 thess 2:3 is mentioned by douggg, it isnt

The word apostacy can be translated as departed. In fact early translation used that word.

You can see those translations HERE. (bible hub)
Scroll down to the Geneva Bible of 1587...Coverdale Bible of 1535...and the Tyndale Bible of 1526.

 

[Truth7t7]

In Ezekiel 38, the Gog/Magog event will take place in the latter years, latter days. So again, where do you place the Gog/Magog event relative to your Amil 3.5 year period ?

I Disagree, it was a war fought long ago in antiquity with wooden weapons of warfare, no need to beat the dead horse

 

[Truth7t7]

The word apostacy can be translated as departed. In fact early translation used that word.

(Depart/Fall Away) from the truth once held, it doesn't mean a pre-trib rapture, it's the false teaching of dispensationalist (Thomas Ice) some 15-20 years ago

Strong’s Definitions
ἀποστασία apostasía, ap-os-tas-ee'-ah; feminine of the same; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):—falling away, forsake.

 

[Truth7t7]

Where do you place the 1290 days of Daniel 12:11 and the 1335th day of Daniel 12:12 ?

Where do you place the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 ?

Where do you place them?

 

[Truth7t7]

You cited the wrong post. Not post #37, but my Post #32, that I posted two charts. The 2Thessalonians2:3 falling away notation in red is on the second one.

The conversation with crow surrounded around post #37, the horse is dead

 

[Douggg]

I Disagree, it was a war fought long ago in antiquity with wooden weapons of warfare, no need to beat the dead horse

You are ignoring that the text says latter years, latter days.

And if you say that the Gog/Magog event to place long ago - then when ?

 

[Douggg]

Where do you place them?

 

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[Truth7t7]

You are ignoring that the text says latter years, latter days.

And if you say that the Gog/Magog event to place long ago - then when ?

As scripture clearly teaches below, the war was fought at the time surrounding the 70 years of captivity in Babylon "Long Ago"!

Israel went into the 70 year captivity, the Lord's brought them out of the 70 year captivity, the war was fought with wooden weapons of warfare "Long Ago" the horse is really dead now "Next"!

Ezekiel 39:23-25KJV
23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
25 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;