Vaccine... Again, sorry.

[BarneyFife]

Boy howdy does that look official and true....but it's completely transparent that those numbers are trash.

Those numbers are from strictly influenza alone...those who died from resulting complications from having influenza are completely ignored which if those numbers are included it's around 180,000 every year....and the just shy of 190,000 just before coronavirus was an exceptionally bad year.

See...when you pull numbers you can pull them to show whatever you want. That's one of my beefs with the coronavirus numbers...we got a mishmash of numbers being reported because so many don't know the difference between deaths from coronavirus and deaths from coronavirus complications. My state is reporting strict coronavirus deaths and no one from coronavirus complications....where California and NY are reporting coronavirus complications as coronavirus deaths.
A difference between the two, but important nonetheless for accurate statistics.

True science is more complicated than you think others can understand...but there's wiseacres like me that expose the man behind the curtain.

I wasn't using the chart to represent anything other than what it explicitly says. Try to remain calm.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Well you keep denying that you are a militant antivaxxer activist...I've proven beyond all shadow of doubt that you are.

Refresh my memory, where did I say I’m against vaccines...?

 

[BarneyFife]

"80,000 Americans Died From Flu Last Year"

"Sept. 27, 2018 -- Influenza was deadlier last season than it has been for at least four decades, killing 80,000 Americans. So said the head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention late Tuesday in an interview with the Associated Press."

80,000 Americans Died From Flu Last Year

I'll take the data from CDC rather than second-hand from WebMD. Believe what you want.

And how is 2017/2018 more recent than 2019/2020?

 

[BarneyFife]

Conspiracy and fact don't belong in the same sentence.

I don't remember doing that.

 

[kcnalp]

I'll take the data from CDC rather than second-hand from WebMD. Believe what you want.

And how is 2017/2018 more recent than 2019/2020?

Don't vaccines work great? We've had the flu vaccine about 80 years.

"80,000 Americans Died From Flu Last Year"

"Sept. 27, 2018 -- Influenza was deadlier last season than it has been for at least four decades, killing 80,000 Americans. So said the head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention late Tuesday in an interview with the Associated Press."

80,000 Americans Died From Flu Last Year

 

[BarneyFife]

Does CDC know the exact number of people who die from seasonal flu each year?
CDC does not know exactly how many people die from seasonal flu each year. There are several reasons for this. First, states are not required to report individual flu illnesses or deaths among people older than 18 years of age to CDC. Second, influenza is infrequently listed on death certificates of people who die from flu-related complications. Third, many flu-related deaths occur one or two weeks after a person’s initial infection, either because the person may develop a secondary bacterial co-infection (such as bacterial pneumonia) or because influenza can aggravate an existing chronic illness (such as congestive heart failure or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease). Also, most people who die from flu-related complications are not tested for flu, or they seek medical care later in their illness when influenza can no longer be detected from respiratory samples. Sensitive influenza tests are only likely to detect influenza if performed within a week after onset of illness. In addition, some commonly used tests to diagnose influenza in clinical settings are not highly sensitive and can provide false negative results (i.e. they misdiagnose flu illness as not being flu.) For these reasons, many flu-related deaths may not be recorded on death certificates. These are some of the reasons that CDC and other public health agencies in the United States and other countries use statistical and mathematical models to estimate the annual number of flu-related deaths.

From:

Frequently Asked Questions about Estimated Flu Burden | CDC

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Prove it.

lol

 

[BarneyFife]

You trust the stats? I don't.

Unless they come from WebMD and they say what you want them to say, right?

 

[BarneyFife]

Don't vaccines work great? We've had the flu vaccine about 80 years.

"80,000 Americans Died From Flu Last Year"

"Sept. 27, 2018 -- Influenza was deadlier last season than it has been for at least four decades, killing 80,000 Americans. So said the head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention late Tuesday in an interview with the Associated Press."

80,000 Americans Died From Flu Last Year

This isn't even a response. It's just a copy-and-paste of what you posted before.

Do you trust stats or not?

Or do you only trust your favorite flavor of stats?

 

[kcnalp]

Unless they come from WebMD and they say what you want them to say, right?

This isn't even a response. It's just a copy-and-paste of what you posted before.

Do you trust stats or not?

Or do you only trust your favorite flavor of stats?

"CDC early estimates indicate that more than 900,000 people were hospitalized and more than 80,000 people died from flu last season."

National Press Conference Kicks Off 2018-2019 Flu Vaccination Campaign | CDC

New York Times:

Over 80,000 Americans Died of Flu Last Winter, Highest Toll in Years (Published 2018)

"Flu killed 80,000 people this past season and put 900,000 into the hospital, making it the worst influenza season in decades, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Thursday."


NBCNEWS
Flu killed 80,000 people this past season. Someone infected all of them

Want more?

 

[JohnDB]

What does that mean? (Was that a don't mess with my daughter thing?)

He keeps claiming that he isn't a duck...
But he quacks like a duck
Smells like a duck
Quacks like a duck
Talks like a duck...
But then says he's a rabbit.

 

[BarneyFife]

"CDC early estimates indicate that more than 900,000 people were hospitalized and more than 80,000 people died from flu last season."

National Press Conference Kicks Off 2018-2019 Flu Vaccination Campaign | CDC

New York Times:

Over 80,000 Americans Died of Flu Last Winter, Highest Toll in Years (Published 2018)

"Flu killed 80,000 people this past season and put 900,000 into the hospital, making it the worst influenza season in decades, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Thursday."


NBCNEWS
Flu killed 80,000 people this past season. Someone infected all of them

Want more?

Ok, now that together we've amassed sufficient documentation to establish that the CDC crudely estimates 80,000 deaths for the 2017/18 season, how exactly does that relate to the OP?

And I still don't understand how you determine which stats are legit and which ones are phony. Because it's clear that you trust some and not others.

 

[JohnDB]

Refresh my memory, where did I say I’m against vaccines...?

Give it up already... you expect us to believe you now?

Again... cognitive dissonance... surely you know what that means.

 

[April_Rose]

He keeps claiming that he isn't a duck...
But he quacks like a duck
Smells like a duck
Quacks like a duck
Talks like a duck...
But then says he's a rabbit.

It's a she,.. but you still quack me up sometimes.

 

[Taodeching]

We can't be messing with the first amendment, AR. It guarantees religious liberty, which we can never afford to surrender.

Well not on a forum. The first amendment is what the Government can't do not a forum.

 

[BarneyFife]

Give it up already... you expect us to believe you now?

Again... cognitive dissonance... surely you know what that means.

Yeah, it's an insult when it's not coming from a mental health professional.

 

[kcnalp]

Ok, now that together we've amassed sufficient documentation to establish that the CDC crudely estimates 80,000 deaths for the 2017/18 season, how exactly does that relate to the OP?

And I still don't understand how you determine which stats are legit and which ones are phony. Because it's clear that you trust some and not others.

I asked you if you want more links. Years ago I started reading medical literature. I came across a Dr. Robert Mendelsohn. He was quite a rebel. He stated that MD should stand for Medical Death.

 

[BarneyFife]

Well not on a forum. The first amendment is what the Government can't do not a forum.

Again, I couldn't agree more.

 

[BarneyFife]

I asked you if you want more links. Years ago I started reading medical literature. I came across a Dr. Robert Mendelsohn. He was quite a rebel. He stated that MD should stand for Medical Death.

Lovely

 

[BarneyFife]

Nothing more dangerous than expertise in the hands of a novice.