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Featured Virgin Mary Had Other Children After Jesus

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  1. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Once again - Jesus is GOD.
    Lrt m break it down for you again . . .

    Jesus s FULLY God and FULLY Man.
    Mary gave birth to Jesus, who is FULLY God and FULLY Man.
    Ergo, Mary gave birth to GOD when she gave birth to Jesus.

    This is how your Protestant Fathers understood it.
    When did the rest of you fall off the tracks and vegin to deny what your Protestant Fathers taught??

    The Reformers on Mary, the Mother of God:
    Martin Luther:

    "She is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God ... It is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God."
    "St. Paul says 'God sent his Son born of a woman, ' These words which I hold for true, really sustain quite firmly that
    Mary is the Mother of God."

    (Martin Luther, Martin Luther's Works, vol. 7, pg 592)
    "This article of faith- that Mary is the Mother of God- is present in the Church from the beginning and is not a new creation of the council but the presentation of the Gospel and the Scriptures."
    (Martin Luther, Martin Luther's Works, vol. 7, pg 572)
    "It is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God."
    (Martin Luther, Martin Luther's Works, vol. 24, pg107)

    John Calvin
    It cannot be denied that God in choosing and destining Mary to be the Mother of his Son, granted her the highest honor. ... Elizabeth called Mary Mother of the Lord, because the unity of the person in the two natures of Christ was such that she could have said that the mortal man engendered in the womb of Mary as at the same time the eternal God.
    (Calvini Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Braunschweig-Berlin, 1863-1900, v. 45, p. 348, 35)


    John Wycliffe
    "It seems to me impossible that we should obtain the reward of Heaven without the help of Mary. There is no sex or age, no rank or position, of anyone in the whole human race, which has no need to call for the help of the Holy Virgin." [Sermon on Mary]

    Ulrich Zwingli
    "I esteem immensely the Mother of God".
    "The more the honor and love of Christ increases among men, so much the esteem and honor given to Mary should grow". [The Works of Zwingli, Corpus Reformatorum, Berlin, 1905].

    Heinrich Bullinger, Ulrich Zwingli’s successor
    "Nestorius, the heretic, recognized two natures in Christ, and he understood them as being TWO PERSONS. Indeed he taught that the Word had not been united in ONE PERSON with the flesh, but had only been its habitation in the flesh: that is why he would not admit that the Blessed Virgin Mary was called “Theotokos” or “Mother of God.”

    Charles Drelincourt, the French Reformed pastor, 1633
    "On account of this close and unaccountable union (of the natures of Christ), what belonged to one of those natures can be attributed generally to the PERSON. Hence just as the Apostle, St. Paul, said that the Jews crucified the Lord of Glory (1 Cor 2)...we find no difficulty in saying with the Ancients, that the VIRGIN MARY IS THE MOTHER OF GOD; for he whom she bore is GOD above all else, eternally blest (Rom 9)."
     
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    That was not the question.

    The question said nothing about Mary giving birth.

    The question was:
    Mary was NOT the Mother to anyone else?

    Is that correct?
     
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    Mary gave Birth to Jesus, Gods Son, a holy thing....Not Jesus Christ.
    Jesus was NOT fully God when Mary Gave Birth to Jesus.
     
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    No.
    Mary gave birth to Gods Son, not God.

    Not once was God the Father ever said to be IN Mary's Womb, or Born out of Mary.

    Not once was it taught by the Apostles, that Mary was the "Mother of God".

    Do you have ONE Scripture that says Mary gave birth to God?
     
  5. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Gosh - you're FULL of heresies today . . .

    Heresy #1: "Jesus was NOT fully God when Mary Gave Birth to Jesus."
    Heresy #2: "Mary gave birth to Gods Son, not God."

    Jesus IS God incarnate.
    Isaiah 9:6
    For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

    Matt. 4:7
    Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

    Luke 1:43
    And how does this happen to me, that the
    mother of my LORD should come to me?

    John 1:1
    In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.


    And just for the record - NOBODY ever said that Mary gave birth to the Father, Einstein.
    In fact - I made it perfectly clear that she gave birth to the Son and NOT the Trinity.
     
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    God always was, Einstein. Nobody gave birth to God. Do you deny the pre existence of Christ? God created Mary. Can someone give birth to their Creator? Of course, there is a great mystery here as to whether Jesus was fully aware of his God hood as a baby and etc and so on, but the point is, Mary was just a human woman. Nobody special. She was chosen for a task, but so were lots of others. We don't pray to Abraham or Moses, even though they were chosen instruments of God and we should not pray to a human women, just because she bore Jesus in the flesh.
     
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    Catholicism has never taught that Mary is the mother of God the Father. That is a heresy. The title "Theotokos" was chosen over the title "Christotokos' because the Church Fathers were concerned about future confusion of Christ's identity as being 2 persons as opposed to ONE Person. This mess got straightened out at the Council of Ephesus convened in 431 AD to address the Nestorian heresy. The doctrine of the Trinity was under attack! Jesus is God! Mary is the mother of Jesus, Who is God! Yet Nestorian Protestants are offended by the title "Mother of God" out of complete ignorance of the origin of the term.
     
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    Once again - you are in heresy.
    This is what Nestorius had to be corrected of at the Council of Ephesus in 431.

    ONE more time . . .
    a) Jesus s FULLY God and FULLY Man.
    b) Mary gave birth to Jesus, who is FULLY God and FULLY Man.
    c) Ergo, Mary gave birth to GOD when she gave birth to Jesus.

    Which of these 3 statements do you disagree with??
     
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    As I asked your fellow heresy-adherent, @Rennicks:

    Which of these 3 statements do you disagree with??
    a) Jesus s FULLY God and FULLY Man.
    b) Mary gave birth to Jesus, who is FULLY God and FULLY Man.
    c) Ergo, Mary gave birth to GOD when she gave birth to Jesus.
     
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    Was not known fully God. Was ONLY the Son, in Mary's Womb...

    Fully God IS: Father, Son, Holy Spirit., Who's was Never IN Mary' Womb.

    The Fullness of God has No Mother, No Father, No Ancestors. He is Without Beginning.

    Why do you teach a contradiction of Scripture, calling Mary the Mother of God...?
    Nothing in Scripture makes that Claim...

    I've seen your list of men, making that claim...WHOM do you follow...men or the Truth of God?

    It's looking pretty obvious...but you can answer the question.
     
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    Sooooo, you DON'T believe that Jesus is FULLY divine??
    I guess we can add this heresy to your list . . .
     
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    Typical Catholic BOL!

    You dodge my Question.
    You make a claim For me, I never Made.
    Then based on what you say For me...You call me names.

    A real example of how Catholics are taught to lie, deceive and call names.

    Too bad you have more pride in Catholicism than spreading the TRUTH of God.
     
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    Philip James Well-Known Member

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    Hello Renniks,

    Nobody special?! Only the woman whom God chose to be His mother.

    Man, I'd get offended if you said my mother was nothing special... Happily Jesus is much more forgiving about that than I would be...

    Why not?


    "He is not God of the dead but of the living. You are greatly misled."



    Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful.

    This we call the communion of the saints. We are all in this together, and we help each other with our prayers!

    You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

    Peace be with you!
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Uhhhhhh, where did I call you a "name" in post #292??
    LIE
    much??

    As to your question - I didn't answer it because it's invalid:
    Mary gave birth to Jesus - and Jesus is GOD,according to the Bible . . .
    Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Matt. 4:7, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 15:9, John 20:28, Acts 5:3-4, 2 Cor. 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Titus 2:13

    Ergo, Mary is the Mother of GOD.
    Pretty simple, really . . .
     
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    Mary's Virgin Womb was chosen.
    Why Mary? (Her specialty)?
    A Virgin Female.
    A Jew.
    A Faithful believer IN God and the Jewish Messiah.
    Betrothed to a Jew, of the House of David.
    Once married, (Espoused), any legal offspring of Mary, would legally (according TO man's law) be, of the House of David.

    Why is the House of Davids, offspring, Important?
    Because David was given a kingship and an EVER- LASTING THRONE, and that THRONE has not been occupied, since king David, and will legally Be Occupied BY Jesus, (the legal (according to man's law) offspring, when He sets up His Kingdom on Earth.

    Because Jesus is the only Begotton, Son of God, Jesus is entitled to Receive,what is Gods.

    Because Jesus, was on Earth, as a Jew, And legal son, Of king David...and also a legal son of Abraham, Jesus is legally (By Gods Promise), entitled To Abraham's LAND, which is where Jesus' Earthly Kingdom shall be...and all the occupants...Saved, Quickened, Raised Immortal bodies.

    There is no such thing as a Mother of God, except in the Carnal minds of men, who carnally teach what is false.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    LOL...

    A human CREATED woman is the Mother of The UnCreated Everlasting God who has neither a Mother or Father...

    Nothing more than religious catholic doctrine brainwashing.

    You were "supposed" to learn "to submit" to Jesus' Spiritual Doctrine, Truth, Spiritual Church and Christ Jesus Himself...
    NOT men, NOT Doctrines of men, NOT mens Truths and NOT Churches built with men's hands.

    Ah but they got you from the Cradle...and have been THINKING for you and DICATING your Beliefs TO YOU for how many years now?

    Obviously a long time...since you MIMIC what you were taught...pretending you are Qualified to "Think and Speak" for others... and then pretending you are Qualified...to Dictate "your thoughts and speaking for others"...are Wrong....LOL...
    What a Twisted Lot you are Yoked with!

    And the most amusing part...
    Is the ONLY source of Verification you can present ... for your teaching of:


    "Mary, Mother of God"
    "Mary, perpetual Virgin"
    "Mary, sinless"
    "Mary, passing her Human DNA, to Jesus"
    "Mary, having NEVER, married Joseph."

    Is but from Doctrines of men.

    Which comically, has A Betrothed Jewish woman, Traveling and Living for Years with a man.

    LOL...ya sure, Jewish Custom for Betrothed women... to travel with and live with the man she is Betrothed to!
    LOL...NOT!

    Your manmade False Doctrine...is what Men IN Christ Jesus were warned About...

    UGH!
     
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    Does not compute. Mary gave birth to a baby, not a man, BTW. Jesus didn't claim Mary as his heavenly mother. He said he did the will of his Father in heaven. He even asked who his mother and brother were. Do you know the answer?
     
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    Did you know that Mormons believe that God the Father came down in person and impregnated Mary, resulting in the birth of Jesus?
     
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    Anyone can cobble a collection of verses together to make the Bible say what they want it to say. It is called handling the Word of God deceitfully (2 Corinthians 4:2).
     
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