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Featured Virgin Mary Had Other Children After Jesus

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Enow, Mar 3, 2020.

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  1. Dcopymope

    Dcopymope Well-Known Member

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    Maybe its just me, but that doesn't sound like a virgin birth.
     
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    They don't believe that Jesus was born of a virgin. They also believe that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers from the same father. Spooky!
     
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    Dcopymope Well-Known Member

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    Woah, talk about blasphemy. I don't even know what to say to that foolishness.
     
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    Paul Christensen Well-Known Member

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    The doctrine is that Lucifer became jealous of Jesus being the favoured son of the Father, so he decided to become the devil and oppose God. The concerning thing about this is that there is an animated story about all this that are shown and taught to their Sunday School children!
     
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    Yes. All those who do the will of God. That INCLUDES Mary, unless you want to deny she did the will of God in Luke 1. Revelation 12:17 also describes those who "do the will of God":
    Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her children, those who keep the commandments of God and hold the testimony of Jesus. Who is the woman?
     
  6. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    ALL that insane ranting - yet you never got passed the Biblical fact that . . .

    Mary gave birth to Jesus - and Jesus is GOD, according to the Bible:
    Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Matt. 4:7, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 15:9, John 20:28, Acts 5:3-4, 2 Cor. 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Titus 2:13
     
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    is one saying here that all mighty God is incarnate, if so then please explain this, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men".

    now if God G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. HIMSELF, meaning,
    1. to make empty.
    2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
    [from G2756]
    KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
    Root(s): G2756

    so if God "MADE" HIMSELF, empty, who was running, or upholding the universe?.

    if he neutralize HIMSELF, of all his powers, as said who is running or upholding the universe?

    PICJAG.
     
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  8. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    I see that in your desperation, your responses are getting more asinine . . .

    Ummmm, I said that Jesus s FULLY God and FULLY Man and that Mary gave birth to Him
    I DIDN'T say that she gave birth to "A" man, Einstein.

    The answer to your question is that Jesus wasn't speaking literally.
    He had a literal mother and was speaking metaphorically when He stated that ANYONE who does the Father's will is His mother and brother and sister.
     
  9. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    No - it's called Biblical CONTEXT.
    The context of Scripture illustrates that Mary is the fulfullment of the Ark of the Covenant.

    ALL
    of the verses I showed you are either:
    a) Types and fulfillments
    b) Mere "coincidences"


    If you knew anything about the Word of God - you would know that He doesn't deal in "coincidences" . . .
     
  10. BreadOfLife

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    This is ONLY a problem for those who ascribe to the heresy that God is NOT a Trinity.
    This verse is speaking about God the SON - NOT God the Father or Holy Spirit.

    You see - THIS is the kind of confusion that happens when you go into heresy . . .
     
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    so we can take this as you cannot answer the question.

    ERROR, for he was in the Nature/form of GOD, G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n. who is Spirit. (see John 4:24a). and that same Spirit, according to Philippians 2:7 that same Spirit did this, "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men”.

    now if the TRINITY doctrine say, or claim three “person”, but one Spirit, well it was the Spirit that G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. HIMSELF, if you say only the Spirit that is the Son, then you have two Spirit. and that's anti bible. the bible is clear that is only one Spirit, Ephesians 4:4 "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling”. so the Nature of God is Spirit and that Spirit, “made himself of no reputation” and took on the likeness of men.

    so the question still stand "HOW DID GOD", G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. HIMSELF and still run the universe, will be looking for your answer.

    PICJAG.
     
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    Then you simply don't understand the Trinity - hence, your heretical confusion.

    Jesus is FULLY HUMAN as well as Fully Divine.
    Humans have a body - AND a spirit. Jesus is no different in that respect. However, He is ALSO God.
     
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    Nope you missed the point if Jesus is fully human, and is God as you said, "HOW DID GOD MAKE HIMSELF EMPTY AND STILL WAS RUNNING OR UPHOLDING THE UNIVERSE, WHILE NEUTRALIZE OF HIS POWERS?". remember your trinity states three "PERSON" one Spirit. and God is a Spirit, and that Spirit, whoever you want it to be made HIMSELF empty. now as you claim, if it was the person the Son then you have a bigger problem, because now you're saying that the Son is a seperate Spirit. but what did the scripture states, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, (meaning being in the Form of the Spirit, the same self Spirit). thought it not robbery to be equal with God". so now you have two seperate Spirit, meaning you have two GODS, if not then my Question still stand, "How did God make himself empty and yet uphold the universe?

    do you have an answer to that question?.

    looking to hear your answer.

    PICJAG.
     
  14. BreadOfLife

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    So, the bottom line here is that YOU don't have faith in God's omnipotence.
    God can ONLY do what YOU can comprehend - but nothing else - is that it??

    According to Phil. 2:7, God emptied Himself anc became Human AS THE SON - NOT as the Trinity.
    MY omnipotent God is capable of that. Not sure if YOUR little god is . . .
     
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    this has nothing to do with my Faith nor your, but the TRUTH. the srciptures are TRUTH. then you said this,
    yes, God can do anything he want, but that's not changing the TRUTH, nor his written word which is the TRUTH. because he tell us how he did it, RIGHT IN HIS OWN WORD, THE BIBLE. and you don't KNOW IT, that's the problem here, "U" Don't know it, or understand how he did it. we have told you over and over, you refuse to listen, but the scriptures are true, men love darkness more than light.

    now bread of life. putting all of this aside, we said that the bible tells us how he did it, can you tell us? or give us your best answer you have, as to how he run the universe and at the same time manifest in flesh as a man?

    we'll be waiting for your answer if you can answer it.

    PICJAG.
     
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  16. BreadOfLife

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    That's your lack of faith talking again.
    YOU don't have tun know HOW God does anything.

    HOW did God create the universe by simply speaking it into existence??
    You don't know and don't need to know.

    HOW did God create man, who has a cardiovascular system and, a brain and a complex nervous system from clay?
    You don't know and don't need to know.

    HOW did God become Man yet REMAIN God?
    Have faith, for a change . . .
     
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    Not remotely true.
     
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    The Virginity of Miriam....one of the oldest and most frequent debates among scholars.
    But there is some humor to it.
    Most of us would like to think that Yeshua is the Son of God.
    But for the sake of everyone's beliefs, let's go with Yahweh did not cast His seed in Miriam's womb.
    Her egg was not fertilized with God's seed.
    So just for the fun of it, is there anyone that would like to explain the sequence in such a manner that Christ comes out
    still being the true Son of God? Not created? Not Zapped? I have been debating this for years so I know the answers will be interesting. AND to spice things up a bit....keep in mind that according to the Mosaic Law, impregnating a woman betrothed to another is adultery. And then also will you a find the prophecy that foretold that?
     
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    so we can take this as you have no answer to our question. we already knew, you had no answer. this is not about a lack of faith, that's an excuse to not knowing the truth. then you said,
    when you ask a question like that, then we know you have no answer.
    but unlike you we will give you the answer in full...... "Diversity". :D it's all there in that one word. so the CHANGE as you speak of is this you need to do, "RENEW YOUR MIND, or CHANGE IT".

    untill you can answer how God became a man and still ran the universe while in a G2758 κενόω kenoo state in flesh, then your words are mute nothing but vain babbling.

    PICJAG.

    PS, if you want to know the truth, just ask......
     
  20. BreadOfLife

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    "We"?? "Our"??
    Do you have a mouse in your pocket or is somebody else tying for you?

    I answered your question.
    YOU just don't like the answer . . .

    And, as I said - I already answered it.
    The verse is referring to the SON - not the Father or Holy Spirit.

    NOT that difficult - for people of faith, that is . . .
     
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