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  1. 101G

    101G Well-Known Member

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    no you didn't answer the question, we see where you avoid the answer., you went on some tangent about God creation of the universe, and creating man, which was NOT the question.... but you never addressed the real question, "How God ran or upheld the universe while in a G2758 κενόω kenoo state in flesh". if you answered that, then I must have missed it.

    but I never saw your answer to that question.

    so instead of rambling off about other things, just answer the question clearly. "HOW DID GOD RUN THE UNIVERSE WHILE IN A G2758 STATE IN FLESH". no off the wall remarks, see how easy the question is, just a smple answer is required.

    Looking to hear from you with an answer to the question, I hope,

    PICJAG.
     
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    101G Well-Known Member

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    See bread of life,you never answered Post #313 which was directed at the one whom you call the "son". mind addressing it?

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    *****
    Correct!

    Prophecy foretold:
    word out of Gods mouth...has come to pass.
    Isa 55:
    [11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shallaccomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

    Prophecy foretold:
    Child born, has come to pass.
    Shall be called, still prophecy..shall come to pass.
    Isa 9:
    [6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    Prophecy comes to pass:
    Luke 1:
    [35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

    Heb 1:
    [5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him A Father, and he shall be to me A Son?

    Matt 1:
    [20] But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

    Must take Mary his Betrothed as wedded Wife, BEFORE, the Child IS born; to Fulfill prophecy.
    The child MUST be A LEGAL (man's LAW) HEIR of the House of David, and lawful access, to king Davids Throne; which JESUS obtains, By Joseph's genealogy, Jesus (man's Law) IS entitled to Sit on king Davids everlasting Throne.

    Delivery of the child:
    Mary, the Legal mother, (man's Law), Joseph, the Legal wedded husband (man's Law).
    Matt 1:
    [18] Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
    *)No longer Betrothed...
    *)Now ESPOUSED-ED...already Wedded, child not yet born.
    Luke 2:
    [5] To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
    *) child about to be born
    *) Mary & Joseph accounted together in the census of the same household and pay the tax.
    (A betrothed, unmarried godly Jewish woman would not travel or live with a man).

    The "holy thing";
    Revealed ON EARTH WITHOUT: REPUTATION: WITHOUT: SIN.

    Without SIN:
    Heb 4:
    [15] For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

    WITHOUT REPUTATION:
    *) Heb 10:
    [5] Where- fore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

    *) Phil 2:
    [7] But made himself of no reputation, and [/B] took upon him the FORM of a servant, [/B] and was made in the LIKENESS of men:
    [8] And being found in fashion AS a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    *) (a baby) WITHOUT: wisdom, strength, power.

    Luke 2:
    [40] And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

    The CHILD: Grew: strong in spirit: filled with wisdom: Gods Grace upon THE CHILD.

    Powerful Words.
    Powerful Miracles, Healings, Raising the Dead.

    Can't STOP earthly men from KILLING....
    His BODY.

    Why NOT?
    Because HE Came TO ACCOMPLISH:
    *) Giving men the Powerful WORD of God.
    *) Showing stiffecknecked men, the POWER of God by Miracles.
    *)
    AND:
    *) John 6:
    [51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give FOR the life of the world.

    *)Jesus Gives His FLESH....Because:
    John 19:
    [28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
    John 19:
    [30] When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

    *) John 17:
    [4] I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

    WHAT REPUTATION is still Missing???
    John 17:
    [5] And NOW, O Father, "GLORIFY ME" with thine own self with the GLORY Which "I HAD" with thee "BEFORE" the world was.

    Mary DID NOT reveal to the World, by birthing a son, the FULLNESS of God, nor was she Ever the Mother of the FULLNESS of God.

    God has No Mother or Father.

    (And BTW, more things revealed to also be Accomplished, then it's DONE. Rev 21: 6)


    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    I absolutely answered it in post #310.
    I answered it again in post #314.

    That's your problem - you ignore responses, then you falsely accuse.
    That's why I usually don't take your posts seriously.

    Pay attention . . .
     
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    if not as a Trinity, then what?

    PICJAG.
     
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    Are you really this dense??

    Here it is again - for the FOURTH time:
    According to Phil. 2:7, God emptied Himself anc became Human AS THE SON - NOT as the Trinity.

    Is that clear enough?
     
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    Of course Mary was a believer and did the will of God by obeying. The point is, Jesus never reverences Mary as some sort of half deity, like the Catholic church does. In fact, he's downright disobedient and dismissive to her, when it comes to obeying his father in heaven. I mean, the Catholic go as far as thinking she didn't physically die, but floated up into heaven. Come on, that's not in the Bible and quoting some figurative language in revelations doesn't come close to saying that.
     
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    oh how dense are you, if the Spirit emptied Himself and became Human do you know what that means? you have two Gods for you said that Jesus is GOD, and if not as a trinity, then plain and simple you are into polytheism for the scriptures, states, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;".

    now think bol, if he JESUS the "Son" neutralize" or "empty" himself of his powers, and he is God, then you have two separate God. plain and simple, since you said God emptied Himself, but not as a trinity. so if you have one God in Flesh and two more without flesh that more than one God. or do you want to retrack you're statement, "Jesus is God", in flesh... :cool:


    so which one you want to go with? .... (smile).

    PICJAG.
     
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    Like I said before - because you embrace heresy - you cannot understand that the Trinity is THREE DISTINCT PERSONS.
    Each has a distinct ROLE. God "emptied" (humbled) Himself as the SON - NOT the Trinity.
     
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    And there you go LYING again.
    When will you STOP lying??

    The Catholic Church does NOT teach that Mary is ANY sort of "deity".
    AND - for YOU to say that Jesus was "dismissive and disobedient" to His mother is blasphemy.

    Jesus NEVER sinned - and being dismissive or disobedient would be a direct violation against the Commandment about "HONORING your Father and Mother".
     
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    Each has a distinct "ROLE?", that's modalism playing roles... LOL. ERROR, and destruction #1. now,

    let's hold it right there, they each have ROLES? please explain ... I cain't wait to hear this .

    PICJAG

    ps as I been saying that the trinity is nothing but modalism in reverse.
     
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    LOL ... never had to GET PASSED...
    Mary gave birth ON Earth, to Gods WORD, that was BORN of God, Came Forth OUT From God and SENT To Mary's VIRGIN Womb, To BE Manifested ON Earth in the LIKENESS AS a man OF the Earth and HE is the One who Spread The Word of God to men Out of the Earth!

    John 1
    [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of thhe will of man but (of the WILL) of God.

    NOT of your asinine teaching, Jesus is human because he had Mary's DNA.

    Jesus was Never A Human, out of the Dust of the Earth, Sinful, in Corrupted dis-Harmony with the Father and Holy Spirt, or OF the World.

    Jesus IS the Word of God, born (begotten) of God, and came Forth Out from God...Before entering Mary's Virgin Womb.

    John 16:
    [27] ...I came out from God.

    Mary's Virgin Womb SERVED, Its Purpose.
    Joseph (of the house of David), Served his Purpose...

    Their Service WAS "Accomplished"...and "Finished"!

    The (Mans Law) Record "Established" and Recorded...Jesus IS Entitled to Lawfully Sit on king Davids everlasting Throne.

    Joseph does not Continually Remain Jesus' daddy or Mary Continually Remain Jesus' Virgin mommy.
    AFTER Jesus' Birth...their Service Was: Accomplished, Recorded.

    They (Joseph AND Mary)...lived, ate, slept, worked, housed themselves, were faithful to God, Sinned, were forgiven per Jewish Law, raised their children, Mary expressly received forgiveness and the Holy Spirit (After Jesus returned to Heaven) and died and were buried, returning to dust from whence they came, like other humans.

    Mary is NOT sinless, Bodily IN Heaven, a perpetual Virgin, an introcessory to God, as you teach.

    Mary was chosen for a particular Service and Accomplished and Finished her Service...like many humans Before her.

    "Mother of God, Perpetual Virgin, Bodily in Heaven, SINLESS, Intercessory"...and on and on...<--- All man-made up gobbledygook... Devils Work...(masquerading AS LIGHT, (using the Lords NAME)...
    to Fool men out of the world.

    And that's WHY you can QUOTE Scripture "AS IF" you think it satisfactory to support your Outrageous Claims....but NOT ONCE, Can you land ON The Point ... of your Ousrageous Claim...Ever being said IN Scripture.

    Jesus; the Word of God, is Knowledge revealed; He IS God...but NOT ONCE was Jesus Manifested ON Earth ..."As the Fullness of God"...

    ^ That would have Caused "instant" Death to Every living human Who Looked Upon HIS Glory. <---- The Knowledge was GIVEN for Good Use of human men....

    But we Full well know, men take what IS intended for Good, and With Satan's Influence...Use it for Evil...(as you were taught and embrace, and do).

    The Fullness of God, will Never be seen by human men, and they continue ALIVE. The SEEING of the Fullness of God, is Reserved; for Saved, Quickened.....AND Raised bodies of men, Raised in glory, in the LIKENESS of God...
    That has not Yet occurED.

    You teaching Mary was the Mother of God...if that were true, she would have instantly died, the moment she laid her eyes on Him.

    Put away your nonsense...no one is buying it.
    Be as a child, read His True Doctrine. Learn it, Trust it, Believe it.

    Glory to God,
    Taken



     
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    this is the classice example of deception, when confronted with the truth, gone wrong. when the devil tell a lie, and it's confronted with the truth, then he has to tell another lie to cover the first lie, and another lie to cover the second ...., ect. this is what called the bottomless pit, "OUR MINDS WHICH IS CORRUPT", there is no foundation to stand on, hence bottomless.

    PICJAG.
     
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    Your Catholic Church does not straight out teach BY WORD Mary is Deity...

    Yet their Behavior, Motions, Actions TEACH...are the SAME as ARE "supposed" TO BE RESERVED for "deity".

    Those same "behaviors, motions, acts"...reserved for a "deity"... ARE given toward Mary AND Your Pope.....

    And any half wit Knows: Catholics employ their members to involve their children from the cradle ...And any half wit Knows Little Children are sponge learners BY OBSERVING...not by what they are TOLD, but BY what they SEE.

    And not a big Secret what a childe SEES in a Catholic Church...they mimic...

    Glory to God,
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    Then you don't understand the heresy of Modalism because you are blinded by one of the many other "Oneness" heresies.

    The he Trinity IS about roles:
    The Father sends the Son.
    The Son submits to the Father.
    The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.

    Modalism, on the other hand, is about MODES:
    The Father is sometimes the Son or the Holy Spirit.
    The Son is sometimes the Father or the Holy Spirit.
    The Holy Spirit is sometimes the Father or the Son.

    Do your homework . . .
     
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    It's not "my nonsense".

    MOST
    of the people on this forum agree with my position that:
    Jesus is FULLY God and FULLY Human because that's what the BIBLE says (Heb. 2:16-17).

    The truth is ALWAYS a stumbling block to people like YOU who lack the faith to trust in God . . .
     
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    LOL, "shaking head". ... LOL, oh man oh man, now it's about "MODES. wich you strictly said, "ROLES", ............ never mind.
    ok, lets catch this "sometimes" sending mode. you said, "The Father sends the Son". dose your trinity say that the Father is not the Son and the Son not the Holy Spirit, and vice versa? now this,

    scripture, Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me".

    ok bol, who was sent here? now think hard and long before you give your answer.

    was it the,
    A. son who was sent, or
    B. the Holy Spirit that was sent, or
    C. the father sent?

    Which one was sent?

    your answer please.

    PICJAG.
     
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    If you're going to continue to LIE about what I said - then don't ask me to answer your questions.
    If you want to have an honest conversation - then stop lying and I will answer them.

    I never stated that the Trinity was about "modes". That is what YOU claimed - NOT me.
    I said that the Trinity was about ROLES.

    Now - are you going to retract your idiocy about my allegedly claiming it was about "modes"?
     
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    a mode is a role play, lets see, Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me".

    was it the,
    A. the son who was sent, or
    B. the Holy Spirit that was sent, or
    C. the father sent?

    Which one was sent? now if it's not a role play and or a mode of operation then you can clear up mode and "ROLES" quickly, your choice.

    your answer please.
     
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    now if you cannot see the error on your part, a MO is the same, but if it changing up then it's role play.

    PICJAG.
     
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