WAKE UP!!! Church pastors we are living in the days of the very near rapture!

[The Light]

a.) No rapture is mentioned here.
b.) Not the slightest reference to rapture is mentioned here.
c.) When saints die they go to be with the Lord and thus we SEE them in heaven in Revelation

Some will be kept from the hour of temptation that will come upon all the world.

Revelation 3
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Here are 24 elders with crowns. You do not get crowns when you die. You get crowns when He comes..........so obviously he has come. He comes before the seals are open, which means he comes before the final week.

Revelation 4
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

If you have no understanding, you will not understand this. I cannot get the blind to see. You should get some lamp oil so you can see.

 

[David in NJ]

Some will be kept from the hour of temptation that will come upon all the world.

Revelation 3
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Here are 24 elders with crowns. You do not get crowns when you die. You get crowns when He comes..........so obviously he has come. He comes before the seals are open, which means he comes before the final week.

Revelation 4
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

If you have no understanding, you will not understand this. I cannot get the blind to see. You should get some lamp oil so you can see.

HALELUYAH

i fully understand Revelation3:10-11

This is what it means:

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.
Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You.
Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are

Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which you have, let no man take thy crown. = they already have their crown

The 24 Elders are not the Church = this is adding to God's words what it does not say

Peace

 

[David in NJ]

Some will be kept from the hour of temptation that will come upon all the world.

Revelation 3
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Here are 24 elders with crowns. You do not get crowns when you die. You get crowns when He comes..........so obviously he has come. He comes before the seals are open, which means he comes before the final week.

Revelation 4
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

If you have no understanding, you will not understand this. I cannot get the blind to see. You should get some lamp oil so you can see.

Oil in the Lamp means this:
"But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth."

It means knowing the Truth that God has spoken.
It means you can spot a lie a mile away (pre-trib rapture) = because it never came out of the Mouth of God.

Let's see if you have this 'anointing oil' = Post the Scripture from Matthew that confirms Romans 11:25-27

Peace

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

How does that change the fact that some of the church will be beheaded in the GT and resurrect in the first resurrection?

 

[ewq1938]

No I don't see the Church. Those verses are about the Jews, who experience the time of Jacobs trouble.

Here is the Church and they will be standing before the Son of man.
Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

And they will escape by enduring the things they will experience in the GT.

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to BEAR it.

One can escape something by being able to bear it. It is not a physical escape but a mental and spiritual escsape.

 

[The Light]

And they will escape by enduring the things they will experience in the GT.

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to BEAR it.

One can escape something by being able to bear it. It is not a physical escape but a mental and spiritual escsape.

No. We will stand before the Son of Man. That takes place at the throne in heaven.

So what you are saying is simply incorrect.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

[The Light]

How does that change the fact that some of the church will be beheaded in the GT and resurrect in the first resurrection?

The Church will be in heaven before the seals are opened. The GT happens during the 5th seal. There will be gleanings from that harvest during the great tribulation but most of the those killed during the GT will be of the 12 tribes, as it is the time of Jacobs trouble.

 

[ewq1938]

The Church will be in heaven before the seals are opened.

No, the church is here until the 7th trump. The church is here through the entire GT.

The GT happens during the 5th seal.

No, it doesn't.

There will be gleanings from that harvest during the great tribulation but most of the those killed during the GT will be of the 12 tribes, as it is the time of Jacobs trouble.

The bible doesn't give racial info on the people killed during the GT so you are speaking of your belief, not a scriptural statement.

 

[ewq1938]

No. We will stand before the Son of Man. That takes place at the throne in heaven.

So what you are saying is simply incorrect.

The bible says it.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

That happens when Christ returns at the second coming/7th trump.

 

[The Light]

No, the church is here until the 7th trump. The church is here through the entire GT.

Every single thing you are saying is unbiblical. Let's start with your comment that the Church is here until the 7th trumpet.

1 Thes 5
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

You have the Church going through the wrath of God. WE ARE NOT APPOINTED TO WRATH.

Go read the chapter. Then change what you are saying because it is incorrect.

No, it doesn't.

Yes. The great tribulation happens during the 5th seal. All these years and you still don't understand that what John tells you in Revelation 6 is the exact thing that Jesus is telling you in Matthew 24.

How do you not understand this after studying the Bible for so long? The 1st four seals, the four horsemen of the Apocalypse are the "beginning of sorrows" in Matthew 24. The 5th seal occurs during the great tribulation. The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. John and Jesus tell us the exact same story.

The bible doesn't give racial info on the people killed during the GT so you are speaking of your belief, not a scriptural statement.

The Word tells us that it is the time of Jacobs trouble. Romans 11 tells us that part of Israel cannot see that Jesus is the Messiah until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The word tells us that the dragon goes after the seed of the woman during the tribulation. The seed of the woman is the twelve tribes across the earth.

 

[The Light]

The bible says it.

You are taking the scripture you are using completely out of context.

That happens when Christ returns at the second coming/7th trump.

No. It happens before ALL THESE THINGS, which happen to be the seals.

 

[ewq1938]

Every single thing you are saying is unbiblical. Let's start with your comment that the Church is here until the 7th trumpet.

1 Thes 5
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

You have the Church going through the wrath of God. WE ARE NOT APPOINTED TO WRATH.

No, the church goes through the wrath of satan which is the GT. The wrath of God comes at the 7th trump. YOU are the one who is wrong.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Here it clearly states that God's wrath has come (arrives) after the 7th trump sounds. Clearly God's wrath hadn't been coming for a long time before this or else the statement would be meaningless.

Go read the chapter. Then change what you are saying because it is incorrect.


Yes. The great tribulation happens during the 5th seal. All these years and you still don't understand that what John tells you in Revelation 6 is the exact thing that Jesus is telling you in Matthew 24.

My understanding is far above what you think it is in fact the seals are more similar to Mathew 24 than you know. Both are prophesies, not things happening at that time.

How do you not understand this after studying the Bible for so long? The 1st four seals, the four horsemen of the Apocalypse are the "beginning of sorrows" in Matthew 24. The 5th seal occurs during the great tribulation. The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. John and Jesus tell us the exact same story.

They are prophesies of future events. Do you really think I was just lucky knowing the land beast was the AC when 99 percent of teachers don't know that?

The seed of the woman is the twelve tribes across the earth.

The word doesn't say that part. The 12 tribes for the most part aren't Christians but the seed of the woman are Christians.

 

[The Light]

Oil in the Lamp means this:
"But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth."

It means knowing the Truth that God has spoken.
It means you can spot a lie a mile away (pre-trib rapture) = because it never came out of the Mouth of God.

You have oil in your lamp so you can see. Those that cannot see because they have no lamp oil cannot see that the bridegroom is coming. When the call is made, they are not ready. (they probably think He comes only at the end of the trumpets)

Let's see if you have this 'anointing oil' = Post the Scripture from Matthew that confirms Romans 11:25-27

Peace

I don't feel like going though Matthew trying to figure out something that you are likely wrong about. And you never answered the couple of questions that I asked.

Sleep well brother.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

What does the Bible say? Better we are prepared and it does not come than it comes and we are not prepared.

There is no IF ANDS or BUTS........The Rapture is pre 70th week, we are the Time of the Gentiles, which means we were given the mantle to evangelize the whole world. Israel was given the mantle to birth the Messiah, they rejected him thus God could not put forth the Kingdom Age to come, but that will happen after the Church is Raptured, NOTICE in Rev. 20:4 ONLY those who are killed/martyred for not worshiping the Beast live and reign on this earth with Jesus for 1000 years, thus the Church is not here during that time. We go back to heaven.

Whenever I hear anyone who can not grasp the Raptures TRUE TIMING, I trust ZILCH that they have to say about End Time Eschatology, PERIOD. Its an utter shame they can't hear what the Spirit says to the Churches.

 

[David in NJ]

You have oil in your lamp so you can see. Those that cannot see because they have no lamp oil cannot see that the bridegroom is coming. When the call is made, they are not ready. (they probably think He comes only at the end of the trumpets)


I don't feel like going though Matthew trying to figure out something that you are likely wrong about. And you never answered the couple of questions that I asked.

Sleep well brother.

The Best part of waking Up is with the Holy Spirit filling your Cup

Let the LORD Jesus Christ know when you desire the Truth over the error of pre-trib.

HE will meet you in Matthew

Peace

 

[David in NJ]

There is no IF ANDS or BUTS........The Rapture is pre 70th week, we are the Time of the Gentiles, which means we were given the mantle to evangelize the whole world. Israel was given the mantle to birth the Messiah, they rejected him thus God could not put forth the Kingdom Age to come, but that will happen after the Church is Raptured, NOTICE in Rev. 20:4 ONLY those who are killed/martyred for not worshiping the Beast live and reign on this earth with Jesus for 1000 years, thus the Church is not here during that time. We go back to heaven.

Whenever I hear anyone who can not grasp the Raptures TRUE TIMING, I trust ZILCH that they have to say about End Time Eschatology, PERIOD. Its an utter shame they can't ear what the Spirit says to the Churches.

Christs Church is His Bride/Body.

Names given to denote the Body/Bride of Christ:

a.) His disciple(s) - Matt 24:3-4 , Matt 28:18-20
b.) Elect - Matt 24:31 , 1 Peter 1:2 , Titus 1:1 , and many more
c.) Chosen - John 15:16 , Ephesians 1:11-12 , 1 Peter 2:4
d.) Living Stones - 1 Peter 2:5
e.) Saints - Ephesians 1:1 , 1 Cor 1:2 , Daniel 7:27 , Revelation 11:18 and 14:12

Truth speaks louder then men's touting of pre-trib rapture falsehood

 

[The Light]

HALELUYAH

i fully understand Revelation3:10-11

This is what it means:

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.
Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You.
Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are

A common theme of those that are unable to see that the Jesus will come for His Church before the final week is they have to constantly take scripture out of context to prove their point.

The verse is Jesus praying to His father to keep the disciples from the evil one. He makes a point and says that He is not asking that they be removed from the world. Well of course He was not asking that they be removed from the world. How would the Gospel be spread if the disciples are removed. Harvest time is a completely different matter. We will be taken out of the world at harvest time. The Church will be taken out before the seals are opened. Simple.

Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which you have, let no man take thy crown. = they already have their crown

Sorry. Jesus is saying hold fast to what you have earned. Let no man take what you have earned. They have earned a crown, but it is not received until He comes.

Rev 22
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

The 24 Elders are not the Church = this is adding to God's words what it does not say

Peace

Here is the Church in heaven.

Rev 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

I was told that these are just souls that are there when people die.

I showed you the 24 elders in heaven with crowns. That means Jesus has returned as those 24 elders have their crowns. When Jesus returns He brings His rewards. And of course we see that He has returned BEFORE the final week as the seals are not opened yet. Hence, pretribulation rapture, that you can't seem to see.

 

[WPM]

A common theme of those that are unable to see that the Jesus will come for His Church before the final week is they have to constantly take scripture out of context to prove their point.

The verse is Jesus praying to His father to keep the disciples from the evil one. He makes a point and says that He is not asking that they be removed from the world. Well of course He was not asking that they be removed from the world. How would the Gospel be spread if the disciples are removed. Harvest time is a completely different matter. We will be taken out of the world at harvest time. The Church will be taken out before the seals are opened. Simple.


Sorry. Jesus is saying hold fast to what you have earned. Let no man take what you have earned. They have earned a crown, but it is not received until He comes.

Rev 22
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


Here is the Church in heaven.

Rev 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

I was told that these are just souls that are there when people die.

I showed you the 24 elders in heaven with crowns. That means Jesus has returned as those 24 elders have their crowns. When Jesus returns He brings His rewards. And of course we see that He has returned BEFORE the final week as the seals are not opened yet. Hence, pretribulation rapture, that you can't seem to see.

What are you talking about? You are not proving what you are claiming. You are presenting what you have been taught, again. Where is the word "Church" mentioned in Rev 5? The Elders are in heaven now. Where is your so-called secret rapture in Revelation?

 

[David in NJ]

A common theme of those that are unable to see that the Jesus will come for His Church before the final week is they have to constantly take scripture out of context to prove their point.

The verse is Jesus praying to His father to keep the disciples from the evil one. He makes a point and says that He is not asking that they be removed from the world. Well of course He was not asking that they be removed from the world. How would the Gospel be spread if the disciples are removed. Harvest time is a completely different matter. We will be taken out of the world at harvest time. The Church will be taken out before the seals are opened. Simple.


Sorry. Jesus is saying hold fast to what you have earned. Let no man take what you have earned. They have earned a crown, but it is not received until He comes.

Rev 22
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


Here is the Church in heaven.

Rev 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

I was told that these are just souls that are there when people die.

I showed you the 24 elders in heaven with crowns. That means Jesus has returned as those 24 elders have their crowns. When Jesus returns He brings His rewards. And of course we see that He has returned BEFORE the final week as the seals are not opened yet. Hence, pretribulation rapture, that you can't seem to see.

Truly some Good Humor here Brother - TY

 

[David in NJ]

A common theme of those that are unable to see that the Jesus will come for His Church before the final week is they have to constantly take scripture out of context to prove their point.

The verse is Jesus praying to His father to keep the disciples from the evil one. He makes a point and says that He is not asking that they be removed from the world. Well of course He was not asking that they be removed from the world. How would the Gospel be spread if the disciples are removed. Harvest time is a completely different matter. We will be taken out of the world at harvest time. The Church will be taken out before the seals are opened. Simple.


Sorry. Jesus is saying hold fast to what you have earned. Let no man take what you have earned. They have earned a crown, but it is not received until He comes.

Rev 22
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


Here is the Church in heaven.

Rev 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

I was told that these are just souls that are there when people die.

I showed you the 24 elders in heaven with crowns. That means Jesus has returned as those 24 elders have their crowns. When Jesus returns He brings His rewards. And of course we see that He has returned BEFORE the final week as the seals are not opened yet. Hence, pretribulation rapture, that you can't seem to see.

Another humorous pre-trib attempt = 'crown attachment'

OK - let's run with it.

Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing. = Past Tense = His Appearing/Second Coming 1st, crowns afterward
2 Timothy 2:4

So the pre-trib myth is that since we see 24 Elders with crowns they must be the raptured church!
Yet there is not a single mention of a pre-trib rapture taking place in the OT Prophets, the Gospels, Acts, Apostles or even now in Revelation.

Furthermore, the error of pre-trib rapture, will once again be debunked/destroyed/dissolved by God Himself.

The 24 Elders rejoice that the LION of Judah is able to open the Seals:
So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look at it. 5But one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals.

Now God Himself = DIRECTLY to us, right now, is going to tell you that no pre-trib rapture has taken place on earth with His Saints.

the Opening of the 5th Seal - Revelation 6:9-11

When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

No crowns given to the Saints who are before the LORD.
What was given to them???
Only White Robes!!!
WHY???

God tells us why = v11 - Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer,
until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Once again, the Word of God exposes man-made false doctrine such as 'pre-trib rapture.