WAKE UP!!! Church pastors we are living in the days of the very near rapture!

[The Light]

Mathew ch24 overrides your limited understanding of Matthew ch10.

Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Acts overrides your limited understanding of Matthew ch10

And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria,
and to the end of the earth.”

Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. 13And after they had [c]become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:

16‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the [d]Lord who does all these things.’

Oh boy,

Timing. Yeah that all happens..........after.

Daniel 9
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

You need all the Word, not just pieces that you place out of order.

I'm still waiting for you answers as to where in Revelation can we find the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 and what is the order of Revelation. Why do you walk in fear. These are simple questions to answer.

 

[The Light]

According to the Truth, when does the fullness of the Gentiles come in and all earthbound Israel is saved?

Are you not watching, as instructed?

 

[David in NJ]

Oh boy,

Timing. Yeah that all happens..........after.

Daniel 9
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

You need all the Word, not just pieces that you place out of order.

I'm still waiting for you answers as to where in Revelation can we find the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 and what is the order of Revelation. Why do you walk in fear. These are simple questions to answer.

take your own medicine = "You need all the Word, not just pieces that you place out of order."

You have been unable to prove any evidence of you theories.

You have yet to answer simple questions that the LORD Jesus Christ has commanded us to know:

a.) According to Truth - What qualifies a person to be a saint?

b.) According to Truth - When does Romans 11:26-27 occur?

Gotta go now - please have these answers according the the Truth and not according to opinions.

 

[The Light]

take your own medicine = "You need all the Word, not just pieces that you place out of order."

You have been unable to prove any evidence of you theories.

Denial of facts does not equal lack of proof.

You have yet to answer simple questions that the LORD Jesus Christ has commanded us to know:

a.) According to Truth - What qualifies a person to be a saint?

Already answered in another thread. I'm not going to take the time to look it up.

b.) According to Truth - When does Romans 11:26-27 occur?

See post #98

Gotta go now - please have these answers according the the Truth and not according to opinions.

Yeah seem unwilling or unable to answer the two simple questions I have posed for you in this thread and in the other thread. Again, why do you walk in fear. Where is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 found in Revelation? What is the order of Revelation? I already know that you do not know the answer to either question, hence your reluctance.

 

[ewq1938]

Sorry, but that is the Lord talking to Israel.

The elect are Christians, of all and any nation. The last verse in Rev 12 speaks of the GT, a war against Christians seen in Rev 13 with Christian saints being killed.

 

[David in NJ]

Denial of facts does not equal lack of proof.


Already answered in another thread. I'm not going to take the time to look it up.

See post #98

Yeah seem unwilling or unable to answer the two simple questions I have posed for you in this thread and in the other thread. Again, why do you walk in fear. Where is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 found in Revelation? What is the order of Revelation? I already know that you do not know the answer to either question, hence your reluctance.

i see you are unable to answer simple Open Book questions.

you have failed to provide any facts that support your pre-trib theory
therefore you currently are prophesying/teaching falsely(pre-trib rapture) by proclaiming/teaching that which God never said

The answer to who is a 'saint' is simple = Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The answer to Romans 11:25-27 was given to us by the Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew.

See if you can find it.

 

[The Light]

The elect are Christians, of all and any nation. The last verse in Rev 12 speaks of the GT, a war against Christians seen in Rev 13 with Christian saints being killed.

No doubt. And yet that harvest is based on the 144,000 first fruits so it is mostly about the twelve tribes. There will be gleanings from the already past mostly Gentile rapture of the Church.

Additional proof is that the dragon goes after the seed of the woman, when those of the nation of Israel go to their place of protection. The seed of the woman is the twelve tribes that are across the earth. A Jew is considered a Jew if they are born of a Jewish mother, hence the seed of the woman.

Revelation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[The Light]

i see you are unable to answer simple Open Book questions.

I answered. And you were unable to see. A consistent pattern.

you have failed to provide any facts that support your pre-trib theory

Like I said, denial of the facts does not equal lack of proof.

therefore you currently are prophesying/teaching falsely(pre-trib rapture) by proclaiming/teaching that which God never said

I would highly advise that you ask for some oil for your lamp that you might see. The bride groom is coming soon. It appears you lack the understanding that you should be watching so that you can escape all these things that will come to pass.

Brother, do what we have been instructed to do. He tells us the he is coming in a an hour that we think not. Do you not believe Him?

The answer to who is a 'saint' is simple = Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The answer to Romans 11:25-27 was given to us by the Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew.

See if you can find it.

I have already answered this, back when you were talking the two Gospel nonsense.

 

[David in NJ]

I answered. And you were unable to see. A consistent pattern.


Like I said, denial of the facts does not equal lack of proof.

I would highly advise that you ask for some oil for your lamp that you might see. The bride groom is coming soon. It appears you lack the understanding that you should be watching so that you can escape all these things that will come to pass.

Brother, do what we have been instructed to do. He tells us the he is coming in a an hour that we think not. Do you not believe Him.


I have already answered this, back when you were talking the two Gospel nonsense.

You truly set forth a consistent pattern which is contrary to the words of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Apostles, Revelation and OT.

Your pattern of consistent error/falsehood
1.) Two NT Brides = Leah and Rachel
2.) Denying the words of Christ = Matthew ch24
3.) Adding to the words of Christ = pre-trib rapture of a Gentile Bride/Church
4.) Adding to the words of Revelation = after pre-trib rapture, Jews are the saints in Revelation and Two NT Brides
5.) Adding to the words of the Apostle Paul/Holy Spirit claiming Jews replace Gentiles in the Body of Christ
6.) Unable to provide a single pre-trib rapture scripture yet continuing to claim it as gospel truth
7.) Violating the commandments of the Lord Jesus Christ concerning His words - Proverbs 30:5-6 and Revelation 22:18

 

[ewq1938]

No doubt. And yet that harvest is based on the 144,000 first fruits so it is mostly about the twelve tribes. There will be gleanings from the already past mostly Gentile rapture of the Church.

Additional proof is that the dragon goes after the seed of the woman, when those of the nation of Israel go to their place of protection. The seed of the woman is the twelve tribes that are across the earth. A Jew is considered a Jew if they are born of a Jewish mother, hence the seed of the woman.

Revelation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Those who have the testimony of Christ are Christians proiving the church is right there for the GT and are the targets of satan. The church is not gone, else satan would not be able to pursue Christians like this.

 

[David in NJ]

WAKE UP!!! Church pastors we are living in the days of the very near rapture and many of you say nothing and many of your church members are not ready and will be left behind to try to live in the days of the great tribulation under anti-Christ rure and their blood will be on your hands!!!

Who gets left behind to live in the days of the GT?

Where in the Scripture does Jesus or the Apostles or Revelation say that the LORD will leave behind His saints?

 

[The Light]

Who gets left behind to live in the days of the GT?

Where in the Scripture does Jesus or the Apostles or Revelation say that teh LORD will leave behind His saints?

Heb 9
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

[ewq1938]

The Christian saints who are the Church are killed during Satan's wrathful Great Tribulation are resurrected:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years .

They were killed in the great tribulation. They weren't raptured to heaven before the great tribulation!

 

[ewq1938]

The Christian saints who are the Church are killed during Satan's wrathful Great Tribulation:

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

See? The church, the followers of Christ will NOT be raptured to heaven before all this happens. The church is right there and some will be killed for their faith in Christ. DON'T LET PRE-TRIBBERS TELL YOU THE OPPOSITE!

 

[ewq1938]

Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

See again? Those of the church that endure unto the end of the Great Tribulation shall be saved!

 

[ewq1938]

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Once again, the church that sees the AoD will physically flee to the mountains for those who live in that area. None of them are raptured before the AoD arrives! No Pre-trib rapture at all.

 

[David in NJ]

Heb 9
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

GREAT = I AGREE = AWESOME

Now who gets left behind ?
a.) saints
b.) unbelievers
c.) religious people
d.) all of the above
e.) other (explain)

peace

 

[The Light]

The Christian saints who are the Church are killed during Satan's wrathful Great Tribulation are resurrected:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years .

They were killed in the great tribulation. They weren't raptured to heaven before the great tribulation!

Revelation 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[The Light]

The Christian saints who are the Church are killed during Satan's wrathful Great Tribulation:

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

See? The church, the followers of Christ will NOT be raptured to heaven before all this happens. The church is right there and some will be killed for their faith in Christ. DON'T LET PRE-TRIBBERS TELL YOU THE OPPOSITE!

No I don't see the Church. Those verses are about the Jews, who experience the time of Jacobs trouble.

Here is the Church and they will be standing before the Son of man.
Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

[David in NJ]

Revelation 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

a.) No rapture is mentioned here.
b.) Not the slightest reference to rapture is mentioned here.
c.) When saints die they go to be with the Lord and thus we SEE them in heaven in Revelation