poppy-cock
The OP's question "Was Adam imparted free will from the beginning of Creation", so the answer of "poppy-cock" means "no".
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poppy-cock
God would not have warned Adam to not eat of the tree unless Adam could have chosen to eat of it!! Think!!
Genesis 2:16-17 16And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, 17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.” === to obey or not to obey God=Adam's choice
No one forced Adam to not obey God ===Adam made the choice to not obey God. God is outside time =the Alpha and Omega = the Beginning and the End!!God sees Adam today in the garden and also the last man to ever live on earth.!
Kermos, what would you say if I could show you, from the Bible, a place where God Himself "forknew two things that NEVER HAPPENED? Would that be enough to cause you to reconsider your conclusion about what predestination is?
Not by way of my thoughts but by way of how God stated Adam's options.
If you told someone standing on a ledge planning to commit suicide "Do not jump, or you will die" is there a choice implied? Of course there is. But some people simply cannot let go of their false beliefs.
Now if you hate logic and love nonsense, you will continue to try and deceive others by suggesting that there was no freewill in either case.
@Kermos
Are you married? Did you give your wife a choice to marry you? Did you give her the choice to refuse? Giving others the choice to reject you is love. God is love. He doesn't impose His will on anyone
Angels were created, and the devil is a fallen angel (Isaiah 14:11-15, Revelation 12:7-9), and the devil is the serpent of old (Revelation 20:2) mentioned in the creation account (Genesis 3:1).
This means that an evil angel existed prior to the time that Adam ate of the fruit (Genesis 3:6).
Then you have created your own definition of free will, one that nobody else uses. Why?
If Free Will does not exist, as you claim, I choose nothing, ever. So I do only what God determined for me to do.You are off topic by being glued to yourself and purportedly your purchase of salvation by choosing Jesus.
The creation was subjected, yes, after sin entered the world. Not to loss of Free Will, but to decay.Adam did not exercise willpower to disobey God's command not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:16-17) for Paul wrote "the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly"
Free will isn't only about choosing Jesus.Oh, then all of a sudden you do not think free will means a person chooses Jesus. Man, your free will definition is all over the place!
"Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them;"
If you can not see a choice here, it's because you are being willfully blind.
Adam called the beasts the name in his mind. No choosing required.
Adam given the privilege of naming all the creatures, but because the scripture doesn't say the word choice, it therefore means he wasn't given the choice, but only did what he was told? Who's adding to scripture here?? Your entire thesis is built on presumption. Frankly, it's ridiculous.
Imagine yourself as a parent...
"Son, mum and I are going out. Don't eat that chocolate cake because that's for your sister's birthday tomorrow. Because when you eat it, I'm going to kill you."
That is no different than what you are claiming God is saying to Adam. "Don't eat the fruit of that tree because when you do, I'm going to kill you." You are saying God hasn't left Adam with a choice, therefore God has determined this will happen, and Adams death therefore a predetermined event... And not Adams fault, but God's, because it's His will not leaving Adam with any choice. It's a nonsense theory.
I agree. There was no offer. For salvation is not something that God offers to fallen man, but which comes out from His love. Salvation is grace and is by grace.Yeshua means "God saves". Yeshua is Jesus' Name.
There's no "offer" therein.
There is no doubt, Adam was not imparted with free will just as the Word of God reveals from the original post.
you do not have to be in opposition to God's will in order for your will to be free
((unless you think in the resurrection we will rebel against God? why will we not? because God will strip us of our will in the completion of our redemption, or because we will be free, and being free, share His will?))
that's essentially the lie that Satan told Woman -
just because there is no record of Adam rebelling against God's
placing him in the garden doesn't mean Adam had no will of his own.
how much time do you think passes between the creation of Adam's wife and the fall? you think it's day 1? how much time passes between Adam beginning work in the garden and the creation of his wife? you think he named every single individual animal in 6 hours? do you figure this is all in one day; immediately on entering the garden he chooses sin?
I agree. There was no offer. For salvation is not something that God offers to fallen man...
Tong
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It is mankind that has fallen in Adam whom God saves. And that is because He loves mankind.Disagree.Tong2020 said: ↑
I agree. There was no offer. For salvation is not something that God offers to fallen man...
Fallen man is precisely who God Offers Salvation.
Fallen man is precisely WHO God Saves.
Glory to God,
Taken
When people start spouting such nonsense you can be sure that they are simply pushing an agenda. That "not" and "but" do not belong in this sentence. And that is clear from John 3:16.For salvation is not something that God offers to fallen man, but which comes out from His love.