Was Jesus Orthodox? (or Baptist?)

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Was Jesus orthodox?
Or did he operate outside the realm of the orthodoxy of his day?
Was he a heretic by their standards?

Perhaps being heterodox is WAY underrated. Do we worship the status quo?

  • Acts 24:5
    For we have found this man to be a troublemaker,
    one who stirs up riots among all the Jews throughout the world,
    and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes.

  • Acts 24:14
    But I confess this to you, that I worship the God of our ancestors
    according to the Way (which they call a sect), believing everything
    that is according to the law and that is written in the prophets.

  • Acts 28:22
    But we would like to hear from you what you think,
    for regarding this sect we know that people everywhere speak against it.”

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Was Jesus orthodox?
Or did he operate outside the realm of the orthodoxy of his day?
Was he a heretic by their standards?

Perhaps being heterodox is WAY underrated. Do we worship the status quo?

  • Acts 24:5
    For we have found this man to be a troublemaker,
    one who stirs up riots among all the Jews throughout the world,
    and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes.

  • Acts 24:14
    But I confess this to you, that I worship the God of our ancestors
    according to the Way (which they call a sect), believing everything
    that is according to the law and that is written in the prophets.

  • Acts 28:22
    But we would like to hear from you what you think,
    for regarding this sect we know that people everywhere speak against it.”

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You are asking about Jesus, but referencing Paul?
 

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Doesn't it seem? Or? Mebbe tis my own Unorthodoxic mind that these days are quite similar to the "Tower of Babel" incident. Eh?
So many people are speaking the same language (english), yet? All the words MEAN different things to different people!

I suspect that this is what happens when people feel/believe/WANT "LOVE" to cover more sin then that for which it was intended to cover?

Far as Jesus of Nazareth being unorthodox? Well? In the eyes of His Father and God? He wasn't!
In the eyes of what Judaism and tribal elders had digressed to? A very definite YES!!!
 

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That was before you had a working definition of orthodox.

So, was Jesus orthodox?
Was giving this direction an orthodox position? and the other...

23 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not

Matthew 8:4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

Were these directing of things orthodox to you?
 

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Follow-up to the "Is Universalism Orthodox."[?] topic.

What is this thing with accusations of unorthodox, heretic, heterodox, pagan, etc.
Seems like blatant tribalism to me. Us versus them. When will we ever learn?

So, was Jesus orthodox?
Or did he operate outside the realm of the orthodoxy of his day?
Was he a heretic by their standards?

Perhaps being heterodox is WAY underrated. Do we worship the status quo?

What is obvious to many but baffling to some is how Jesus FULFILLED THE LAW.
It was not about living an unorthodox lifestyle. Jesus kept to many societal conventions. He broke a few...but it was not many. (Handwashing and water walking)

The Old Testament Law was given so that man would know how to live a life pleasing to God. It was added to stop the sinning people did in supposed loopholes in the Law.

But Jesus demonstrated how to live a sacrificial life and lifestyle that is pleasing to God and fulfilling all of the Law. Jesus was sinless and became the perfect sacrifice for our sins.

Basically we killed him for being perfect.

We didn't kill him because he was popular
We didn't kill him because he said things we enjoyed hearing.
We didn't kill him for being subversive to the government.
We didn't kill him because of his healing miracles.
We didn't kill him because he told people to not follow the Law of Moses.

We killed him because he lived a sacrificial life and lifestyle...fulfilling the Law of Moses and perfectly pleasing to God.
 

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An Orthodox Jew ! do you all know what that means ? It does not resemble Othodox at all !

An Orthodox Christian ? is totaly different thing. it means true !

If one is not Orthodox you are a simplton wayward or a fool ! Heretical.

Orthodox means the true or good standards are set !

Buying a new car, should have set standards to abide by, so as not to play any cunning games when dealing, so you look at the papper work before signing anything ? yes i can see all is worthy of such and if not i ask, why have you put such that in such a way, it does not look right !

I have bought many new cars and i have had to say, hey what the hell is this rubbish, in the contract, some of it it's jibberish ? that's not orthodox ! why ! or i am out of here period !

Standards are set in contracts that are orthodox.

I was working for the owner of a Ford dealer at his place and he said come see my man and he will fix you up with a new Ford, well we got on real well but not with his man at all ! it came down to a LSD that say is mandatory with V8 and the dealer says no it's an option ! I say how can it be an option if it's manatory on a V8 ! No ! period ! i am not swallowing that at all, you are being deceptive ! GM does not play games like that in their workings. no deal !
I have had plenty of heated arguments with Ford dealers, i totaly dispised them, bar only two that were worthy people to deal with. never a problem with any other dealer ships at all ever.

But as to Jesus he was the Son of God ! and sent here to deal with the bastards who is set down in the Vineyard story, who were not worthy of God in fact, for they were killing all of Gods Prophets in fact and then killed Gods only begotten Son ! So God Vomited them out of the Land.
Jesus was seen as the Christ Jesus when he went to Heaven by the worthy Jews, who became born again = for they were the first Christians !

Jesus only did the will of the father, so that act would be Orthodox ! in regards to God in fact.
Christ Jesus on the other hand is God the Alpha and the Omega ! as no one comes to the Father but throught his only begotten Son ! You can not bypass Christ Jesus to the Father in fact !
So Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour ? is the begining and the end, as far as Man.

So is God Orthodox ? he has to be Orthodox it's self ! because that's were it comes from. it's set solid in fact, such will not change.
 

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An Orthodox Jew ! do you all know what that means ? It does not resemble Othodox at all !

Orthodox Judaism

Orthodox Judaism is the collective term for the traditionalist branches of contemporary Judaism. Theologically, it is chiefly defined by regarding the Torah, both Written and Oral, as revealed by God to Moses on Mount Sinai and faithfully transmitted ever since. Wikipedia

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Orthodox Judaism

Orthodox Judaism is the collective term for the traditionalist branches of contemporary Judaism. Theologically, it is chiefly defined by regarding the Torah, both Written and Oral, as revealed by God to Moses on Mount Sinai and faithfully transmitted ever since. Wikipedia

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Not really.
One would think that it was, but it's not in fact.
Satanic so called Jews play with words is just like Anti-Semitic comes across to most people, because people are conditioned to such things because they are that shallow that they do not know what a Semite truly is in fact !
Say 90% of Semitic people are Islamic people in fact !
So who came up with the idiot claim that Anti-Semitic was Anti-Jewish ? truly how pathetic ! but a masterful outright deception in fact, a total lie that most do not have a clue about ! but such fools will bark up the wrong tree with such like a total fool, if only they truly knew how stupid they are in fact.

Anti-Jewish is what one should say ? but then, as to why are they Anti-Jewish ? Is it about race ? or is their another issue or points of an issue in such regards ! As in Islamic peoples points of view on the Jews and all of that ?
But does one bother to not give a rats in regards Islamic peoples views on the Jews ?
But are the people in the West truly well informed on Islamic issues in this regard ? i think not at all in gereral, Why ! well most of the West could not give a rats, for they are so shallow that, it's not funny.
They are stupid pathetic morons who do not have a clue, people over 60 are more likely to know something of the Islamic peoples intents and what they do ! but our Media and Governments have been at great lengths not to inform the people of how Islamic Nations are run ! how they treat their own people for one ? Who would want that in the West, not me that's for sure !
I do not care what they do in their own Nations. but we do not need that here. or do we ? maybe we do ? o_O :waves:
Islam is for idiots as well as Socialism is a system for idiots, i know it is ! for idiots need to be dictated over. because they are an abomination!

When Holy Moses said let my people go ! it was because they were the people of God !
Moses did not bother with the other people did he, but only regards Gods people in fact ! but with in that Mob were trash Jews in fact and they worked to kill Moses in fact !
So anyone who truly understands the history of the Jews, the Bible Points it all out, so when they turned their backs on God they fell in fact and when the Jews were healthy in regards God they were proven to be worthy of God and made great !

So from a worthy Christian perspective we do call Jews out ! why well it's because we see them as little brother who has not matured yet to take up their place ? with God ! for they are lost in fact !
But i have seen where bastard so called Christians claim that the Jews are our big brother ? how can that be true in fact, when they are in fact Lost ! so any so called Christian that makes such a claim, must not be Saved in fact ! because they are rejecting Christ Jesus in fact,
But i have seen that such are seeking the 2ed coming ? for they have lack of faith in the first !
So that proves that they are of little faith and useless in regard God in fact ! for they have not been given the power to move mountains ? for they are seeking God ? so they have not been found !
That nonsense comes from trash as the mess i annic Jews that idiot so called christians claim are worthy of Gods people, but they are not at all in fact, why is that, well they have no faith in Christ Jesus in fact, for they are barking on about another Jesus in fact ! just as Islam does ! Such is the great Satan that they seek in fact ! for they do not know Christ Jesus at all, for if they did they would be Christians period !
 

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Genesis 12:3 NIV
I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”

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Jesus was working within the system. not on behalf of the system.

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I agree but if God changes not, it was always within the system we didn't understand, know or see it within the system to me. Simplified to me with Mt 22:37:40. This was in the OT law, but we didn't have or know understanding of it.
 
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I agree but if God changes not, it was always within the system we didn't understand, know or see it within the system to me. Simplified to me with Mt 22:37:40. This was in the OT law, but we didn't have or know understanding of it.
Orthodoxy refers to human religious institutions.
My point is that Jesus did not work within the human religious institution of his day.
Why did they crucify him? Not because they considered him to be orthodox.

We need not be frightened by terms like unorthodox, or heterodox, or even heretic.


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Orthodoxy refers to human religious institutions.
My point is that Jesus did not work within the human religious institution of his day.
Why did they crucify him? Not because they considered him to be orthodox.

We need not be frightened by terms like unorthodox, or heterodox, or even heretic.


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Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

This is mentioned twice about their synagogues... that is within the system to me.
 

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Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

This is mentioned twice about their synagogues... that is within the system to me.
Jesus was "preaching the gospel of the kingdom", that was not within the system.
Jesus was also "healing every sickness and every disease among the people." Oftentimes on the Sabbath. That was not within the system.

John 9:16 NIV
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”
But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

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Jesus was "preaching the gospel of the kingdom", that was not within the system.
Jesus was also "healing every sickness and every disease among the people." Oftentimes on the Sabbath. That was not within the system.

John 9:16 NIV
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”
But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

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For Jesus to even be able to teach in a synagogue wouldn't he have had to be orthodox? and wouldn't he have needed to be from the tribe of Levi? Just asking.
 

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For Jesus to even be able to teach in a synagogue wouldn't he have had to be orthodox?
No, only Jewish. But when they found out what he was up to, they began to plot his murder.

and wouldn't he have needed to be from the tribe of Levi? Just asking.
Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, in the line of King David.

Matthew 21:9 NIV
The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted,
“Hosanna[a] to the Son of David!”
“Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”[b]
“Hosanna[c] in the highest heaven!”

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No, only Jewish. But when they found out what he was up to, they began to plot his murder.


Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, in the line of King David.

Matthew 21:9 NIV
The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted,
“Hosanna[a] to the Son of David!”
“Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”[b]
“Hosanna[c] in the highest heaven!”

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Yes to me he was both.. I am not going to go into all that though. We will let it stand.
 
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Yes to me he was both.. I am not going to go into all that though. We will let it stand.
I agree that he was"orthodox" (Jewish) enough to be allowed into the synagogue community and Temple.
But his purpose and ministry actions were quite unorthodox. The leaders asked him...

Matthew 21:23 NIV
Jesus entered the temple courts, and, while he was teaching,
the chief priests and the elders of the people came to him.
By what authority are you doing these things?” they asked.
“And who gave you this authority?”

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