Was judas Iscariot used by Satan ??

[Hiddenthings]

I’ll have to think on this one. I still think it is God who chooses, not us.

It's a complex subject one theologians have been debating for centuries. He is able to work with our descisions, whether good or evil.

Isaiah 1:18 (ESV): “Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.”

He provides the opportunity and never will He force His Will onto us! He just isn't that type of God. He provides the wisdom for us to discern the difference.

Hebrews 5:14: "But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil."

Judas chose not to discern between right and wrong and ultimately paid the highest price. One could argue that Jesus did everything he could to dissuade Judas from carrying out his plan. In fact, the act of reaching out the bread could be seen as Jesus saying, “Come now, let us reason together.”

But Judas turned away, and it was night.

 

[Fred J]

It appears you are struggling with the Lords teaching once again.

Here is the interpration which is in the mind of Christ and fits the context perfectly.

The nation of Israel had undergone a form of cleansing through the preaching of John the Baptist. As Matthew 3:5–6 records, "Jerusalem, and all Judea, and all the region about the Jordan went out to him and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins." The "house" (Israel) was cleaned—"swept and put in order" (Matt. 12:44) but remained empty, lacking its true occupant: the Messiah.

As John 1:11 puts it, "He came to his own, and his own did not receive him."

Israel's rejection of Christ justified Jesus’ statement: "The last state of that man [Israel] is worse than the first [before John's preaching]" (Matt. 12:45). Jesus went further, saying, "The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here" (Matt. 12:41).

This teaching was not merely a parable but a prophetic warning. In A.D. 70, Israel's fierce and irrational ("demonized") resistance to the Roman siege culminated in the nation’s destruction.

It seems your preconceived ideas are hindering your ability to accurately understand the Lord’s words. Set aside these assumptions and approach the text with fresh eyes.

Folly who's diverting, what has this got to do with satan entering Judas?

 

[Hiddenthings]

The only fruit i witness coming out of you is 'folly' disputes and insults.

Christ Himself did not reply to folly disputes and insults of the leaders of Israel.

The same with those who're of His members here, wise enough not to reply yours.

You've put forth your version in regards the thread, and we put forth ours.

It's wise readers distinguish and with which version they want to run with.

It's pointless and in vain to go back and forth and get no where.

i perceive how desperate you are to force your false version through and in vain.

It’s a clear failure on your part to answer even the simplest of questions. You claim to have understanding, yet you’ve shown nothing grounded in truth.

This so-called “monster” you speak of is mentioned only once in the entire Gospel of John. just once, Fred. That alone should highlight how insignificant this term is in relation to the Gospel of God!

The word simply points to Judas becoming an adversary to Jesus much like Peter did at one point. The difference? Judas never repented or sought reconciliation.

You cannot be taught Fred, I sensed it straight away when reading your posts that you were entrenched in error and taken captive by it bias.

Once Fred - never forget that - once

Don't force your pagan dogma on a single word within the entire Gospel of John

I wont have it!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Folly who's diverting, what has this got to do with satan entering Judas?

It's the correct interpratation of a passage you were trying to twist!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Folly who's diverting, what has this got to do with satan entering Judas?

The issue is seen in your inablitity to understand the times in which Jesus spoke. He used commonly known notions to explain what was happening in Israel both past, present and future.


The responsibilty is on you to understand the times in which they lived and you live today.

You fail to do this on both counts.

 

[Fred J]

Readers, the scripture clearly quote, 'satan entered Judas'.

And an 'imposter' and 'counterfeit' on the other hand say, satan did not enter.

Simple, who's the authority here, scripture or Hiddenthings??

Apparently, Hiddenthings have hidden agenda in him to 'twist' the scripture and it's dogma.

Matthew 16:
23. But He turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind Me, satan: thou art an offense unto Me: for thou savourest not the things that be of GOD, but those that be of men.

The things that be of GOD is also the scripture and dogma in the Holy Bible (2Timothy3:16&17), and Hiddenthings savourest not.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Hiddenthings]

Readers, the scripture clearly quote, 'satan entered Judas'.

And an 'imposter' and 'counterfeit' on the other hand say, satan did not enter.

Simple, who's the authority here, scripture or Hiddenthings??

Apparently, Hiddenthings have hidden agenda in him to 'twist' the scripture and it's dogma.

Matthew 16:
23. But He turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind Me, satan: thou art an offense unto Me: for thou savourest not the things that be of GOD, but those that be of men.

The things that be of GOD is also the scripture and dogma in the Holy Bible (2Timothy3:16&17), and Hiddenthings savourest not.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

No, satan entered his mind for certain! its just you are in denial of the nature of the adversary!

Jesus styled it with Peter as "the things of man"

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Fred J once Fred...only once!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

satan entered his mind

satan entered him and possessed him until Jesus was taken to the Cross.

satan is going to enter and possess the anti-christ

These are the only two times in scripture where we see satan personally entering and possessing someone

All other possessions are done by demons

Apparently, Hiddenthings have hidden agenda

Is that why he picked his nick name to be Hiddenthings

 

[Hiddenthings]

satan entered him and possessed him until Jesus was taken to the Cross.

satan is going to enter and possess the anti-christ

These are the only two times in scripture where we see satan personally entering and possessing someone

All other possessions are done by demons




Is that why he picked his nick name to be Hiddenthings

Keep that hand on your chin Big Boy!...the light bulb hasnt come on yet...

 

[Hiddenthings]

What @Big Boy Johnson is alluding to is that both instances refer to Judas.

But it’s essentially the same situation as described in Revelation 2:10:

“Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.”

The interchangeable use of the words Satan and devil in Scripture often describes the actions of those opposing the body of Christ. In this context, “the devil” refers to the Judaizers who were influencing Roman authorities to imprison believers.

No one in their right mind — Big Boy included — has ever seen a literal monster cast someone into prison .

The adversary that entered Judas’ mind was the Sanhedrin, and his secret arrangement with them. They were the real influence that led him to betray Christ for money.

Jesus also prayed that Peter would not be captured by them when he said this...

Luke 22:31 "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan (High Priest) demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat."

 

[Hiddenthings]

These are the only two times in scripture where we see satan personally entering and possessing someone

Does it concern you that only one person is ever explicitly mentioned in this context (Peter could be included)? Does that not prompt you to consider whether your understanding might be off, perhaps the text is communicating something entirely different?

Let’s assume, for argument’s sake, that the common interpretation is correct, if this was truly the chosen method of control or influence, where does Jesus ever clearly teach about such a sinister act? Why aren’t we told of more people being affected in this way?

Can you provide a chapter of section of text where Jesus teaches the disciples how to avoid the dangers of this powerful monster?

 

[Fred J]

No, satan entered his mind for certain! its just you are in denial of the nature of the adversary!

Jesus styled it with Peter as "the things of man"

You may continue in your immaturity and folly, am not surprised and moved.

The scripture plainly read, 'Then entered satan into Judas ..............'

Where is your supporting scripture to your version??

GOD is not an author of confusion but of peace, looks like you're in confusion disciple of an opposition author.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

the light bulb hasnt come on yet...

Hope you get to start seeing someday!

No one in their right mind — Big Boy included — has ever seen a literal monster cast someone into prison

I was talking about satan personally posessing Judas and he will do the same to the anti-christ.

Not sure what fairy tale you are living in.

The adversary that entered Judas’ mind was the Sanhedrin

Luke 22:3 states, "Then entered satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."
This verse indicates that Judas was possessed by satan having entered in to Judas.

So, turns out satan did enter Judas according to Luke 22:3

 

[Fred J]

Is that why he picked his nick name to be Hiddenthings

He himself not aware of the name he chose, but the scripture and dogma 'exposes'.

Since Jesus who disciple us also said, 'You will know them by their fruit'.

He just now testified, satan entered the mind of Judas.

Discern yourself is there any supporting scripture to back him up?

GOD could have plainly inspired by scripture, satan or evil spirits or demons entered the mind of a person.

Did He?

On the other hand, HE plainly inspired by scripture, satan or evil spirits or demons enter into a person.

Even the demons came out of the man, entered into a group of swine.

In continuation what Hiddenthings' is trying to prove is his folly, not against us but against the inspired scripture which 'exposes'.

On top of it, the scripture quote he quotes of 'evil thought' in the mind of a person, the saying of Jesus?

It's not coming from the entered satan in one's mind, considering Hiddenthings' version.

But rather coming from the 'unclean heart' of a person, period

You can also refer and don't take my word for it.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

Jesus said that after Him there shall come many false prophets and false teachers.

His words in the New Testament which speaks to us, they are 'spirit; and they are 'life'. (John 6:63)

Hiddenthings, if you hear GOD's voice, harden not your heart, as in provocation.

Your version apparently comes from a false prophet or false teacher, be not deceived.

Come back to the mind of scripture alone and it never lets you down.

We may be hard but we have nothing against you, rather love, just offended by your heresy doctrine.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Hiddenthings]

You may continue in your immaturity and folly, am not surprised and moved.

The scripture plainly read, 'Then entered satan into Judas ..............'

Where is your supporting scripture to your version??

GOD is not an author of confusion but of peace, looks like you're in confusion disciple of an opposition author.

The notions you apply are comical - an entity taking possession of a person at will.

You have been watching too many Hollywood movies!

 

[Hiddenthings]

I was talking about satan personally posessing Judas and he will do the same to the anti-christ.

Luke 22:3 states, "Then entered satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."
This verse indicates that Judas was possessed by satan having entered in to Judas.

So, turns out satan did enter Judas according to Luke 22:3

What exactly entered Judas?

Isn’t it striking that there’s only one mention of this in all of John’s Gospel?

Did Judas lose control, roll his eyes back, and start speaking in a deep, echoing voice, or are we missing the real meaning here?

Again can you take me to a chapter with Jesus speaks about this possession and how it works?

Did you watch Poltergeist when you were young?



Is your belief based more on paganism more than God's Word?

All good questions

 

[David Lamb]

The notions you apply are comical - an entity taking possession of a person at will.

You have been watching too many Hollywood movies!

But John 13:26-27 isn't from a Hollywood movie script:

“Jesus answered, "It is he to whom I shall give a piece of bread when I have dipped it." And having dipped the bread, He gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. Now after the piece of bread, Satan entered him. Then Jesus said to him, "What you do, do quickly."” (Joh 13:26-27 NKJV)

It doesn't sound a very comical notion, either.

 

[Lambano]

Can you provide a chapter of section of text where Jesus teaches the disciples how to avoid the dangers of this powerful monster?

All right, I'll bite.

Jesus told us to avoid the dangers of this powerful monster through prayer. I thought everyone knew this verse by heart:

ἀπὸ τοῦ πονηροῦ - literally, "from the one who is evil".