The pair of denos you claim were on the ark, would take most of it to house what they eat.
How many denos, do you really think were on the ark?
Was Noah's flood global?
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How many denos, do you really think were on the ark?
Thy cycle of H2O is a problem for the flood. Where water evaporates one place, it is raining somewhere else.
Hi Taken, the rapid land mass movements will cook everything to death due to the heat produced.
Plate Tectonics and Volcanic Activity
A volcano is a feature in Earth's crust where molten rock is squeezed out onto Earth's surface. Along with molten rock, volcanoes also release gases, ash, and solid rock.
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How volcanoes form - British Geological Survey
This section looks at the relationship between plate tectonics, earthquakes and volcanoes, which helps to explain how volcanoes form.
www.bgs.ac.uk
Hot Spot Volcanism
A hot spot is a region deep within the Earth’s mantle from which heat rises by convection.
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The gas obtained in anaerobic digestion of animal wastes is a mixture of carbon dioxide and methane with trace amounts of hydrogen sulfide and hydrogen gas. Typically, the mixture is composed of about 60 percent methane and 40 percent carbon dioxide regardless of the type of waste.
Can methane be fatal?
A high concentration can displace oxygen in the air. If less oxygen is available to breathe, symptoms such as rapid breathing, rapid heart rate, clumsiness, emotional upsets and fatigue can result. As less oxygen becomes available, nausea and vomiting, collapse, convulsions, coma and death can occur.
https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/che...ration can displace,coma and death can occur.
CCOHS: Methane - Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety
https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/che...ration can displace,coma and death can occur.How much of this gas was on the ark?
Can methane be fatal?
A high concentration can displace oxygen in the air. If less oxygen is available to breathe, symptoms such as rapid breathing, rapid heart rate, clumsiness, emotional upsets and fatigue can result. As less oxygen becomes available, nausea and vomiting, collapse, convulsions, coma and death can occur.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puQncXHTHN8
Methane asphyxia. Coal mine accident investigation of distribution of gas.
Terazawa K, Takatori T, Tomii S, Nakano K.
Am J Forensic Med Pathol. 1985 Sep;6(3):211-4.
PMID: 3870672
A high concentration can displace oxygen in the air. If less oxygen is available to breathe, symptoms such as rapid breathing, rapid heart rate, clumsiness, emotional upsets and fatigue can result. As less oxygen becomes available, nausea and vomiting, collapse, convulsions, coma and death can occur.
CCOHS: Methane - Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puQncXHTHN8
Methane asphyxia. Coal mine accident investigation of distribution of gas.
Terazawa K, Takatori T, Tomii S, Nakano K.
Am J Forensic Med Pathol. 1985 Sep;6(3):211-4.
PMID: 3870672
- Confirmation of natural gas explosion from methane quantification by headspace gas chromatography-mass spectrometry (HS-GC-MS) in postmortem samples: a case report.
Varlet V, Augsburger M.Int J Legal Med. 2013 Mar;127(2):413-8. doi: 10.1007/s00414-012-0726-2. Epub 2012 Jun 21.PMID: 22718149
- The lack of ventilation would produce particularly dire consequences with respect to the tons of waste accumulating in the no-man's-land of the bottom deck. Besides being a nursery for every conceivable pathogen, it would also unleash large quantities of such toxic gases as ammonia, hydrogen sulfide, and methane. Hydrogen sulfide, for example, leads to appetite loss and hyperexcitability at concentrations as low as twenty parts per million—yet agitation of stored slurry, incessant on the ark, can elevate levels to 800 ppm (Sainsbury and Sainsbury, p. 207). These gases also pose the potential for an explosion. Methane, which composes roughly 55 percent of typical landfill gas, is highly explosive at concentrations of 5 to 15 percent oxygen (Emcon Associates, p. 35; Noble, pp. 157-158). At this ratio, even a few hundred tons of waste would rapidly convert the ship into a floating bomb, needing only a flash of lightning, a glowing volcanic cinder, or the inadvertent lighting of a lantern to blast the vessel and its priceless cargo to the bottom of the sea.
- https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/weitzman/files/noahs_ark_problem.pdf
Something that always puzzled me. God is able to recreate large groups of each type, kind of animals. He can also, create what they eat,, plants and so on.
Limestone takse 2 to 10 years to form a layer.
There is too much on the highest one to be made during the flood.
God controls the Weather.
Weather affects the Earth.
Effects upon the Earth affects Earths inhabitants.
Warning Before God destroyed the Earth with Water, and Why.
Gen 6:
[13] And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
There is a Barrier between Earth and the high Heaven(S). It’s called a firmament. It is CLOUDS. Clouds are full of Water. Clouds move by Wind. God controls the Wind. We can SEE the Clouds…We can even enter into the Lower Clouds. Clouds can be Thick or Scarce, and Rain falls from the Clouds or not on Gods Command, and as we CAN observe.
During the FLOOD Rain fell from the Clouds.
During the FLOOD Water ALSO rose UP from within the Earth.
Water within the Earth is Biblically Called:
The Fountains of the Deep.
~ (Gen 7:11 Gen 8:2)
* We can See Geysers spew water up from out of the Earth.
* Scientists have Discovered Huge under ground “Oceans”.
God Raised the ARK to IN the Clouds, BY Causing Water to Cover the Earth.
God Lowered the Water Level Upon the Earth by blowing winds (called asswaged), the Waters UPON the Earth to Go INTO the Earth and FILL the Voids of (emptied under ground oceans)…
Gen 8:
[1] And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged
Scientists have made an incredible discovery: Earth has an underground ocean – deep underground, in the planet’s lower mantle far beneath the crust. Earth.com
Earth was called “destroyed”, because Earth IS Dry Land, and at the time of the FLOOD, there was NO Dry Land.
When the Water was removed and Dry Land again appeared. The Destroyed Face of the Earth was Restored, Cleansed, Re-Newed, while Water IN the Earth remained “Destroyed” from being “earth, ie. DRY Land.
It is a foreshadow. Many things…Earth, Cities, ManKIND….can be Destroyed, Restored, Renewed….or Left Destroyed, IN the Earth.
Glory to God,
Taken
Truthnightmare
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I see many errors in that approach. If we look at Genesis 10:5 we see the follow…
By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
Who are these gentiles?
And to your point, the subject here is people being divided, not the earth itself.
If we continue to the last verse we can confirm this… notice:
Genesis 10:32
32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.
Nations divided, not land divided.
Peace
Truthnightmare
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Sorry for such a late response…WEATHER NEWS
Why Are There Fish Fossils High Up In The Himalayas?
By Mishana Khot
29 June, 2018
Representative image (skeeze/Pixabay)
The mighty Himalayas, also known as ‘The Roof of the World’, rise up to an incredible height, disappearing into the clouds on some days. Some of the world’s highest peaks are in the Himalayas, including Mount Everest, which at 29,029 feet is the highest mountain in the world. At these altitudes, the air is thin, and the temperatures are extreme. The land is arid and brown, and it looks like it’s been this way since the beginning of time. These mighty mountains are hundreds of miles away from the closest sea. So how is it possible that marine fossils have been found in multiple locations in the Himalayas?
There are two primary floods, the flood of Noah, and the katobole.
The katoble is what caused fish fossils in the Himalayas.
Jeremiah 4:23 "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."
God is telling us here exactly what He did to the earth at one time. This was in the first earth age. The earth spoken of here, is the "erets" as given in the Hebrew text. In Strong's Hebrew dictionary # 776.
God is saying that He was so angry before, in that first earth age, that He totally destroyed everything. In the Hebrew, from Genesis 1:2, "tohu va bohu" which means, "without form and void" "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
God said that He did not create the earth a waste land and void, it became that way when God shook it.
Jeremiah 4:24 "I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly."
Imagine all the hills and mountains around this earth moving in one massive earthquake.
Jeremiah 4:25 "I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled."
There was no man, because He destroyed every being on the face of the earth. God destroyed all the birds, and creatures along with man. This is not talking about the flood of Noah, for with the flood of Noah, not only was eight Adamic souls saved but two souls from each race, as well as two of all the animals. Even the Kenites, the sons of Cain came through the flood.
Genesis 6:18 "But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shall come into the ark, thou and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee."
Genesis 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."
Genesis 6:20 "Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive."
When we look at the plates of the land masses of the earth, it is obvious that there has been a shaking that took place. When Satan fell in that first earth age, there was a flood and destruction that left nothing alive to survive into this earth age. When Noah's flood came God was careful to preserve all flesh, and to take two of every kind aboard the ark. Not only are the animals and birds flesh, but all the races were flesh also, including the Kenites, those sons of Cain.
Jeremiah 4:26 "I beheld, and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by His fierce anger."
God destroyed all their cities, as well as every man and beast of the field. Did you notice that there were ancient cities in that first earth age. The bible does not disagree that the overthrow took place, and that this earth is millions of years old. However most Bible teachers today say that this earth is only 6,000 years old. Remember what God called those people? Stupid! They can't read the manuscripts, and open their eyes to the evidence around them, and see the truths that God has spoken in His Word. ~ Theseasonorg.
Truthnightmare
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Much more can be said, perhaps I can go into depth later.. but I leave you with EW Bullinger.WEATHER NEWS
Why Are There Fish Fossils High Up In The Himalayas?
By Mishana Khot
29 June, 2018
Representative image (skeeze/Pixabay)
The mighty Himalayas, also known as ‘The Roof of the World’, rise up to an incredible height, disappearing into the clouds on some days. Some of the world’s highest peaks are in the Himalayas, including Mount Everest, which at 29,029 feet is the highest mountain in the world. At these altitudes, the air is thin, and the temperatures are extreme. The land is arid and brown, and it looks like it’s been this way since the beginning of time. These mighty mountains are hundreds of miles away from the closest sea. So how is it possible that marine fossils have been found in multiple locations in the Himalayas?
To arrive at the true meaning of this expression, we must note that there are two words translated "foundation" in the New Testament: (1) themelios, and (2) katabole.
The Noun, themelios, occurs in Luke 6:48-49, 14:29, Acts 16:26, Romans 15:20, 1Corinthians 3:l0-12, Ephesians 2:20, 1Timothy 6:19, 2Timothy 2:19, Hebrews 6:1, 11:10, Revelation 21:14,19. It is never used of the world (kosmos) or the earth (ge). The corresponding Verb (themelioo) occurs in Matthew 7:25, Luke 6:48, Ephesians 3:17, Colossians 1:23, Hebrews 1:10 and 1Peter 5:10. The verb is only once used of the earth (ge). Hebrews 1:10.
A comparison of all these passages will show that these are proper and regular terms for the English words "to found", and "foundation".
The Noun, katabole, occurs in Matthew 13:35, 25:34, Luke 11:50, John 17:24, Ephesians 1:4, Hebrews 4:3, 9:26 , 11:11, 1Peter 1:20, Revelation 13:8, 17:8 and the corresponding Verb (kataballo) occurs in 2Corinthians 4:9, Hebrews 6:1 and Revelation 12:10.
A comparison of all these passages (especially 2Corinthians 4:9 and Revelation 12:10) will show that kataballo and katabole are not the proper terms for founding and foundation, but the correct meaning is casting down, or overthrow.
Consistency, therefore, calls for the same translation in Hebrews 6:1, where, instead of "not laying again", the rendering should be "not casting down". That is to say, the foundation already laid, of repentance, etc., was not to be cast down or overthrown, but was to be left and progress made unto the perfection.
Accordingly, the Noun katabole, derived from, and cognate with the Verb, ought to be translated "disruption", or "ruin".
The remarkable thing is that in all occurrences (except Hebrews 11:11) the word is connected with "the world"(Greek kosmos. Appendix 129.1), and therefore the expression should be rendered "the disruption (or ruin) of the world", clearly referring to the condition indicated in Genesis 1:2, and described in 2Peter 3:5-6. For the earth was not created tohu (Isaiah 45:18) but became so, as stated in the Hebrew of Genesis 1:2 and confirmed by 2Peter 3:6, where "the world that then was by the word of God" (Genesis 1:1) perished and "the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word" were created (Genesis 2:4), and are "kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment" (2Peter 3:7) which shall usher in the "new heavens and the new earth" of 2Peter 3:13.
"The disruption of the world" is an event forming a great dividing line in the dispensations of the ages. In Genesis 1:1we have the founding of the world (Hebrews 1:10 = themelioo), but in Genesis 1:2 we have its overthrow.
This is confirmed by a further remarkable fact, that the phrase, which occurs ten times, is associated with the Preposition apo = from (Appendix 104. iv) seven times, and with pro = before (Appendix 104. xiv) three times. The former refers to the kingdom, and is connected with the "counsels" of God; the latter refers to the Mystery (or Secret; See Appendix 193) and is connected with the "purpose" of God (see John 17:24, Ephesians 1:4, 1Peter 1:20).
Truthnightmare
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I have also quoted much scripture, and admittedly said not to chose man over the Bible.
Within that same logic I choose the Bible over you… for in the Bible the word אֶרֶץ (erets) means land 1581 times, and it only means earth 655 times. Referencing China was merely a parenthetical footnote. Peace
The Flood was absolutely literal. Couldn't be any clearer!
Genesis 7:17-24
17 The flood continued forty days on the earth. The waters increased and bore up the ark, and it rose high above the earth.
18 The waters prevailed and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered.
20 The waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep. 21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth, birds, livestock, beasts, all swarming creatures that swarm on the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on the dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life died. 23 He blotted out every living thing that was on the face of the ground, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens. They were blotted out from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those who were with him in the ark. 24 And the waters prevailed on the earth 150 days.
Matthew 24:37-39
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away,
Hebrews 11:7
7 By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
2 Peter 2:4-6
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;
Genesis 7:17-24
17 The flood continued forty days on the earth. The waters increased and bore up the ark, and it rose high above the earth.
18 The waters prevailed and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered.
20 The waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep. 21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth, birds, livestock, beasts, all swarming creatures that swarm on the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on the dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life died. 23 He blotted out every living thing that was on the face of the ground, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens. They were blotted out from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those who were with him in the ark. 24 And the waters prevailed on the earth 150 days.
Matthew 24:37-39
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away,
Hebrews 11:7
7 By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
2 Peter 2:4-6
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;
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Truthnightmare
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Well Noah was pretty special to God. What's your point?
Truthnightmare
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I agree, however was Noah a gentile? my point or points will revolve around this simple question.
Truthnightmare
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I’m ok with that , but it creates problems within the rational of scripture.
Noah got of the ark in Genesis 8
Noah died at the end of Genesis 9
Genesis 10
1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
By these? Why are gentiles being mentioned, distinctly different from Noah’s sons?
If Noah was a gentile, surely his sons were, right?
After his own tongue (language) are we to believe that Noah’s sons spoke different languages one from another?
After their families In their nations?
So we have clear documentation people spoke different languages and had different families.
In Genesis 11 we are told..
1: And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Care to explain?
I did explain with perfectly clear Bible. I don't think being global or not is a matter of Christian salvation. Several here totally deny the Genesis Flood. That may be a big issue on Judgment Day.
Truthnightmare
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Genesis 10 says people spoke different languages… Genesis 11 says the whole earth spoke one language…. is the Bible contradicting itself? Of course not…
Many errors come from believing that everyone came from Adam, then Noah. But the truth is when Noah got of the ark, it was people living on the islands coast, at least that’s how I see it.
Believing the flood didn’t happen is silly, as you quoted earlier….
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
But let’s just hope they believe in Christ.
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