Was Peter ever in Rome? What saith the Scriptures?

[Axehead]

It is just amazing they come up with all kinds of tactics to attack the truth being exposed.

They "exchange the truth for a lie". I suppose that is hate speech, too. Actually, we love them enough to tell the truth to them.

 

[Selene]

From some of these posts, I still see people attacking the Catholic Church and all they do is bring up something that happened hundreds of years ago. They act as though the Crusades war is still going on. What year are they living in....I wonder. Don't they know that the year today is 2013?? Why don't they talk about their sins? Don't they know that even the Protestant churches have sins?

So, here we have it.....the Catholic Church being unjustly attacked by the Protestants. Nevermind the fact that I already exposed their propaganda on the Jesuit oath. How many times do I have to say that what they posted is not the Jesuit oath and was made up by anti-Catholics who originally claimed it to be an oath of the Knights of Columbus. It only goes to show that they did not read what I posted. They don't seem to care that the so-called Jesuit oath doesn't exist. they claim that there are documents, but don't even post any of those documents. All the sources they post comes from anti-Catholic websites with missing sources. I see the same people attacking Catholics over and over.

Again, you make assertions with no historical reference or documentation, and offer no context to any alleged event. You offer no
proof from half way reliable sources. I refuse to engage in discussion with you because you obviously are not capable of discussion. You are
spreading hate. You have been indoctrinated by liars and discussion with you is a waste of time.


That statement in itself is hate speech. You don't get it. You just make blanket assertions that are misleading, insulting, sadistic, and false.

It's good to see you back, Kepha.

 

[mjrhealth]

I gues Selene and Kepha, you would have to ask yourself thsi question, if you where to claim to be Gods servant, than go and do all thsoe thigs in" Gods Namje" and slander His name all around the world, and make Him into something He is not, do you think He would not judge you for making a mockery of Him, or do you beilve God would allow such a thing.

Again

Rev 18:5 for her sins have reached even unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Render unto her even as she rendered, and double unto her the double according to her works: in the cup which she mingled, mingle unto her double.
Rev 18:7 How much soever she glorified herself, and waxed wanton, so much give her of torment and mourning: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall in no wise see mourning.

DO you honestly think God could forget such a thing.

No no one is attacking teh catholic church. just pointing out the truth which you choose not to believe, but that is ok. Just dont cause anyone else to stumble.

In All His Love

 

[Selene]

I gues Selene and Kepha, you would have to ask yourself thsi question, if you where to claim to be Gods servant, than go and do all thsoe thigs in" Gods Namje" and slander His name all around the world, and make Him into something He is not, do you think He would not judge you for making a mockery of Him, or do you beilve God would allow such a thing.

Again

Rev 18:5 for her sins have reached even unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Render unto her even as she rendered, and double unto her the double according to her works: in the cup which she mingled, mingle unto her double.
Rev 18:7 How much soever she glorified herself, and waxed wanton, so much give her of torment and mourning: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall in no wise see mourning.

DO you honestly think God could forget such a thing.

No no one is attacking teh catholic church. just pointing out the truth which you choose not to believe, but that is ok. Just dont cause anyone else to stumble.

In All His Love

Excuse me......but I was not the one who posted the propaganda of hate about the Jesuit oath. I was the one who stated that the Jesuit don't have any such oaths. I was the one who stated this so-called Jesuit oath is a fraud that was created by the anti-Catholics who first claimed that this oath was originally from the Knights of Columbus. How it managed to go from being the oath of the Knights of Columbus to the Jesuit oath is beyond me. So, you see, the Anti-Catholics couldn't even get that information straight. What some Protestants did under this thread was continue to spread a propaganda of hate that was already proven to be fraudulent. You should have read the posts before you posted.....because in the first place, Kepha and I are not the ones spreading propaganda of hate.

Kepha and I are both aware that we live in the year 2013. Some posters on this thread are still living hundreds of years ago still believing that the Crusades is still happening today.

 

[meshak]

Excuse me......but I was not the one who posted the propaganda of hate about the Jesuit oath. I was the one who stated that the Jesuit don't have any such oaths. I was the one who stated this so-called Jesuit oath is a fraud that was created by the anti-Catholics who first claimed that this oath was originally from the Knights of Columbus. How it managed to go from being the oath of the Knights of Columbus to the Jesuit oath is beyond me. So, you see, the Anti-Catholics couldn't even get that information straight. What some Protestants did under this thread was continue to spread a propaganda of hate that was already proven to be fraudulent. You should have read the posts before you posted.....because in the first place, Kepha and I are not the ones spreading propaganda of hate.

Kepha and I are both aware that we live in the year 2013. Some posters on this thread are still living hundreds of years ago still believing that the Crusades is still happening today.

It is the fact that you RCC people still cover up for pedophiles, finger-pointing at non-trins as cult, and approving to kill your enemy by approving the military practice of Christians. I know it is not just RCC but whole trinity churches are doing the same thing.

You trinity believing churches make excuses one after another to cover up their sinful fruit. You guys have no credibility to talk about others sins such as homosexuals or any kind of sins because you are sinning just the same..

 

[Selene]

It is the fact that you RCC people still cover up for pedophiles, finger-pointing at non-trins as cult, and approving to kill your enemy by approving the military practice of Christians. I know it is not just RCC but whole trinity churches are doing the same thing.

You trinity believing churches make excuses one after another to cover up their sinful fruit. You guys have no credibility to talk about others sins such as homosexuals or any kind of sins because you are sinning just the same..

It is also a known fact that Catholics condemned the priests who abused those young boys. It is also a known fact that the Pope has already apologized for those abuse. So, what else do you want from the Catholics?

We never point an anyone as a cult. Instead, we have been accused as a cult. Furthermore, we are not the only Christians who approve of military practice. Veteran, for example, is not a Catholic, and he's a Christian who approves of the military. You are the only ones targetting Catholics.

And why is it that we don't have any right to speak about homosexuality especially when we have already condemned homosexual priests who abused young boys? Who gave you the right to take away our freedom of speech?? Are you living in a country that takes away a person's right to free speech?? Where I come from, everyone has a right to freedom of expression regardless of who they are. In fact, we even allow non-Christians freedom of speech. You are the only one denying Catholics our right to free speech by saying that we have no right to speak about other people's sins. Do you honestly believe that only Catholics are guilty of committing sins??

 

[meshak]

It is also a known fact that Catholics condemned the priests who abused those young boys. It is also a known fact that the Pope has already apologized for those abuse. So, what else do you want from the Catholics?

We never point an anyone as a cult. Instead, we have been accused as a cult. Furthermore, we are not the only Christians who approve of military practice. Veteran, for example, is not a Catholic, and he's a Christian who approves of the military. You are the only ones targetting Catholics.

And why is it that we don't have any right to speak about homosexuality especially when we have already condemned homosexual priests who abused young boys? Who gave you the right to take away our freedom of speech?? Are you living in a country that takes away a person's right to free speech?? Where I come from, everyone has a right to freedom of expression regardless of who they are. In fact, we even allow non-Christians freedom of speech. You are the only one denying Catholics our right to free speech by saying that we have no right to speak about other people's sins.

Trinity believing churches make excuses one after another to cover up their sinful fruit. They have no credibility to talk about others' sins such as
homosexuals or any kind of sins because they are sinning just the same..

Their obvious sins: they have killed non-trins as heretics, they approve of violent practice of the military of their church members. There are too many corrupt leaders where as Paul says leaders should be spotless.

Jesus hates hyposicsy and hypocrites will not inherite God's kingdom.

 

[Selene]

Trinity believing churches make excuses one after another to cover up their sinful fruit. They have no credibility to talk about others' sins such as
homosexuals or any kind of sins because they are sinning just the same..

Their obvious sins: they have killed non-trins as heretics, they approve of violent practice of the military of their church members. There are too many corrupt leaders where as Paul says leaders should be spotless.

Jesus hates hyposicsy and hypocrites will not inherite God's kingdom.

Everyone is a sinner and have committed sins. Why do you only target Trinity believing churches? What did you learn from Jesus? Did not Jesus taught you to love even your enemies? So, why do you constantly accuse trinity believing churches of sin? The Truth is all of mankind has sinned and continues to sin regardless of whether they are trinity believing churches or not? Are you telling me that YOU have never sinned?

 

[meshak]

Everyone is a sinner and have committed sins. Why do you only target Trinity believing churches? What did you learn from Jesus? Did not Jesus taught you to love even your enemies? So, why do you constantly accuse trinity believing churches of sin? The Truth is all of mankind has sinned and continues to sin regardless of whether they are trinity believing churches or not? Are you telling me that YOU have never sinned?

I target them because they are obvious ones with sins. They are misrepresenting Jesus with their fruit.

Jesus' followers have responsibility to protect Jesus as pure and Holy and godly and all good stuff.

why cannot see this simple and basic principle and claiming to be saved and true Christians?

 

[Selene]

I target them because they are obvious ones with sins. They are misrepresenting Jesus with their fruit.

Jesus' followers have responsibility to protect Jesus as pure and Holy and godly and all good stuff.

why cannot see this simple and basic principle and claiming to be saved and true Christians?

Meshak, are you a sinner? Have you committed any sins?

 

[meshak]

Meshak, are you a sinner? Have you committed any sins?

This thread is not about me, friend. Dont make it personal attack.

Let me ask you this:1) why Jesus talks about the fruit over and over?

BTW, 2)do you believe sinners will inherit God's kingdom?


Please answer those two questions.



thanks.

 

[Selene]

This thread is not about me, friend. Dont make it personal attack.

Let me ask you this: why Jesus talks about the fruit over and over?

Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." You've cast a lot of stones at the Catholic Church. It seems to me that you bore no fruit at all because you haven't learned this important lesson from Jesus.

 

[meshak]

Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." You've cast a lot of stones at the Catholic Church. It seems to me that you bore no fruit at all because you haven't learned this important lesson from Jesus.

This thread is not about me, friend. Dont make it personal attack.

Let me ask you this:1) why Jesus talks about the fruit over and over?

BTW, 2)do you believe sinners will inherit God's kingdom?


Please answer those two questions.



thanks.

Selene,

Please answer those two questions,

thanks.

 

[Selene]

Selene,

Please answer those two questions,

thanks.

The Catholic Church has borne a lot of fruit. Not everyone in the Catholic Church are bad. Remember.....Jesus said that the wheat will grow together with the tares. The wheat inside the Catholic Church have borne many fruit......such as Mother Teresa who dedicated her life to the poor, Father Damian who died serving the lepers who were rejected by society, Francis of Assisi who reformed the Church and showed his love for all life, and many others whom you can't see because of your hatred toward ALL Catholics.

 

[meshak]

The Catholic Church has borne a lot of fruit. Not everyone in the Catholic Church are bad. Remember.....Jesus said that the wheat will grow together with the tares. The wheat inside the Catholic Church have borne many fruit......such as Mother Teresa who dedicated her life to the poor, Father Damian who died serving the lepers who were rejected by society, Francis of Assisi who reformed the Church and showed his love for all life, and many others whom you can't see because of your hatred toward ALL Catholics.

There are many people who are in the world contributing to help the society. It is nothing new. However, Jesus' servants' main responsibility is to be godly like Jesus and spread Him to the world as He actually is, prince of peace, not militant Savior.

 

[dragonfly]

I was the one who stated that the Jesuit don't have any such oaths.

Hi Selene,

It would be appreciated if you would concede that there is a Jesuit Oath, even if the one on youtube is not it. By all means say you don't know if you don't know, but please stop the charade about Catholic-hating propganda, just because the the youtube oath may be wrong. Most Christians have a lot of time for Catholics. What they don't have time for, is non-biblical doctrine which holds 'Catholic' people in bondage to lies.

If that oath is, indeed, for some other Catholic organisation (as you insist) then it is as reprehensible as the Jesuit Oath. I hope you can see that it is reprehensible - those promises, followed by a representation of the Last Supper - as if Christ could have approved of such promises.

 

[aspen]

has anyone here produced an authentic jesuit oath?

 

[dragonfly]

Hi aspen,

I am not willing to divulge on open forum where I read it, but it was genuine. I am totally sure about that, although no-one else need take my word for it. I did not make a copy, so I have no way of sharing what I read, but I know I'd recognise it if I saw it again. Selene is correct that the video is not of it.

 

[Selene]

Hi Selene,

It would be appreciated if you would concede that there is a Jesuit Oath, even if the one on youtube is not it. By all means say you don't know if you don't know, but please stop the charade about Catholic-hating propganda, just because the the youtube oath may be wrong. Most Christians have a lot of time for Catholics. What they don't have time for, is non-biblical doctrine which holds 'Catholic' people in bondage to lies.

If that oath is, indeed, for some other Catholic organisation (as you insist) then it is as reprehensible as the Jesuit Oath. I hope you can see that it is reprehensible - those promises, followed by a representation of the Last Supper - as if Christ could have approved of such promises.

The only oath that the Jesuits took are oaths of poverty, chastity, and a pilgrimage to Jerusalem. Below is information from the encyclopedia on the Jesuits, so you can see that all they do is produce priests and catechists who devote themselves to apostolic work such as taking care of the sick, prisoners, prostitutes, and soldiers. You say that there is a Jesuit oath; yet, you cannot even produce one/. Therefore, the only lies that have been coming in under this thread are those who have been saying there is a Jesuit oath and then produced one that is proven to be a fraud.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/302999/Jesuit

That oath was originally created by an anti-Catholic who stated that it came from the Knights of Columbus. Well, I will repeat it again......that oath did not come from the Knights of Columbus. I repeat it was created by anti-Catholics so they can make those kinds of false claims.

Hi aspen,

I am not willing to divulge on open forum where I read it, but it was genuine. I am totally sure about that, although no-one else need take my word for it. I did not make a copy, so I have no way of sharing what I read, but I know I'd recognise it if I saw it again. Selene is correct that the video is not of it.

You're not willing to divulge on open forum where you read it?? Now, why is that?? Perhaps it is because it came from an anti-Catholic website?? That is the only place you will find a so-called Jesuit oath because they were the ones who created it in the first place. As for the Knights of Columbus, my brother is in the Knights of Columbus, and there is nothing murderous in the oath.

There are many people who are in the world contributing to help the society. It is nothing new. However, Jesus' servants' main responsibility is to be godly like Jesus and spread Him to the world as He actually is, prince of peace, not militant Savior.

So, what are you saying.....that Mother Theresa was a militant?? I already showed you the fruits produced by the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has built thousands of schools, hospitals, hospices for AIDS victim, shelters, orphanages, and counseling centers all over the world.

Mother Theresa took a vow of poverty. She has nothing....no house, no car, and so savings account. But through the Holy Spirit, she was able to build 517 missions in more than 100 countries. Mother Theresa founded the Missions of Charity, which consisted of over 40000 sisters active in over 133 different countries. She was able to build hospices and homes for people with AIDS/HIV, leprosy, and tuberculosis, soup kitchens, children's and family counseling programs, orphanages, and schools. And this is the fruits of only one Catholic woman. How much more the entire Catholic Church??

 

[meshak]

The only oath that the Jesuits took are oaths of poverty, chastity, and a pilgrimage to Jerusalem. Below is their website, so you can see that all they do is produce priests and catechists who devote themselves to apostolic work such as taking care of the sick, prisoners, prostitutes, and soldiers. You say that there is a Jesuit oath; yet, you cannot even produce one/. Therefore, the only lies that have been coming in under this thread are those who have been saying there is a Jesuit oath and then produced one that is proven to be a fraud.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/302999/Jesuit

That oath was originally created by an anti-Catholic who stated that it came from the Knights of Columbus. Well, I will repeat it again......that oath did not come from the Knights of Columbus. I repeat it was created by anti-Catholics so they can make those kinds of false claims.



You're not willing to divulge on open forum where you read it?? Now, why is that?? Perhaps it is because it came from an anti-Catholic website?? That is the only place you will find a so-called Jesuit oath because they were the ones who created it in the first place. As for the Knights of Columbus, my brother is in the Knights of Columbus, and there is nothing murderous in the oath.



So, what are you saying.....that Mother Theresa was a militant?? I already showed you the fruits produced by the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has built thousands of schools, hospitals, hospices for AIDS victim, shelters, orphanages, and counseling centers all over the world.

Mother Theresa took a vow of poverty. She has nothing....no house, no car, and so savings account. But through the Holy Spirit, she was able to build 517 missions in more than 100 countries. Mother Theresa founded the Missions of Charity, which consisted of over 40000 sisters active in over 133 different countries. She was able to build hospices and homes for people with AIDS/HIV, leprosy, and tuberculosis, soup kitchens, children's and family counseling programs, orphanages, and schools. And this is the fruits of only one Catholic woman. How much more the entire Catholic Church??

So, what are you saying.....that Mother Theresa was a militant??

They are only cover up for the rest of the wicked fruit. It is only tiny part of your organization.

When considering how they are representing Jesus to the world, those tiny portion is meaningless. You cannot mock God with such superficial deeds which even the world can do.

I repeat, there are tons of people who are helping the needy. so what they are doing is not so unique as Jesus servants.