What Bible Translation are you using?

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zeke25

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This is not a competition to see who you take seriously and who you do not. My hope is that you would take the Bible seriously and it appears that you do not. The NIV speaks for itself and it is a deception. Besides, when has a person’s credentials, such as being a Greek scholar become the measuring rod for credibility? The Word of God is our measuring rod. I have dialogued with some members of the NIV translation committee and they are wolves in sheep’s clothing and they do not even try to hide it. They were unable to answer even the most simplest of questions.

Stereotyping is a sign of an apostate, does this fit your character, or have you been too rash to rush to judgment? What does KJVO have to do with purposefully mistranslated verses in the NIV?

Why not study the verses and the translations of those verses that I have pointed out and judge that? Why attempt to judge me when you have no basis for that judgment? The Scripture is the important matter here.

But you are absolutely right about one thing - don’t use the NIV.

But it appears that you are not listening to anyone. What about this post by sojourner4Christ:

“Not even close. For another example, the NIV is printed by Zondervan Publishing, which is owned and copyrighted by Rupert Murdoch. If you want to use more than 500 words from Murdoch's "version," you'll need to get his permission in writing. Murdoch also owns Reuters News Service (#3, behind UPI and AP), and a third of the telecom satellites now circling the globe. He is a billionaire who has graced the cover of Time Magazine and has publicly stated he wants to rule the world. Murdock also owns Fox Broadcasting (the NIV is known as the "Bart Simpson bible"). He's a purveyor of erotica (i.e. a convicted pornographer).”

It appears that you are not listening to anyone. So, go ahead, have a good time and use your NIV, but you might as well stop trying to convince the rest of us that it has any value.

And you continue to resort to men as if they strengthen your position: “I have been reading and studying with the NIV for over 43 years now and I have never found it wanting unlike the KJV. Many others have as well, including the following authors
http://www.onenesspe...nivexamined.htm
http://veritasdomain...ly-controversy/
http://baptistbullet...l-version-2011/

So, you can continue to follow the gospel of man for another 43 years, or you can begin using Scripture to support your position. Resorting to men will never convince anyone of the rightness of your position. Only the Bible counts, only the Words of God.
 

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zeke25 said:
StanJ

This is not a competition to see who you take seriously and who you do not. My hope is that you would take the Bible seriously and it appears that you do not. The NIV speaks for itself and it is a deception. Besides, when has a person’s credentials, such as being a Greek scholar become the measuring rod for credibility? The Word of God is our measuring rod. I have dialogued with some members of the NIV translation committee and they are wolves in sheep’s clothing and they do not even try to hide it. They were unable to answer even the most simplest of questions.

Stereotyping is a sign of an apostate, does this fit your character, or have you been too rash to rush to judgment? What does KJVO have to do with purposefully mistranslated verses in the NIV?

Why not study the verses and the translations of those verses that I have pointed out and judge that? Why attempt to judge me when you have no basis for that judgment? The Scripture is the important matter here.

But you are absolutely right about one thing - don’t use the NIV.

But it appears that you are not listening to anyone. What about this post by sojourner4Christ:

“Not even close. For another example, the NIV is printed by Zondervan Publishing, which is owned and copyrighted by Rupert Murdoch. If you want to use more than 500 words from Murdoch's "version," you'll need to get his permission in writing. Murdoch also owns Reuters News Service (#3, behind UPI and AP), and a third of the telecom satellites now circling the globe. He is a billionaire who has graced the cover of Time Magazine and has publicly stated he wants to rule the world. Murdock also owns Fox Broadcasting (the NIV is known as the "Bart Simpson bible"). He's a purveyor of erotica (i.e. a convicted pornographer).”

It appears that you are not listening to anyone. So, go ahead, have a good time and use your NIV, but you might as well stop trying to convince the rest of us that it has any value.

And you continue to resort to men as if they strengthen your position: “I have been reading and studying with the NIV for over 43 years now and I have never found it wanting unlike the KJV. Many others have as well, including the following authors
http://www.onenesspe...nivexamined.htm
http://veritasdomain...ly-controversy/
http://baptistbullet...l-version-2011/

So, you can continue to follow the gospel of man for another 43 years, or you can begin using Scripture to support your position. Resorting to men will never convince anyone of the rightness of your position. Only the Bible counts, only the Words of God.
Ahhh...the expected rant.

What you did in your post was to strain at a few gnats. What you didn't do is reply to the OP as to what versions you use.

Now you resort to ad hominems instead of facts. All we have is your assertions and NO facts. I said YOU shouldn't use the NIV if you don't like it but like many of your ilk, you twist words to convey what was NOT. There is obviously no possibility of reasoning with a person of your bias as that bias is established on lies and innuendo that you won't even bother to verify. Would not matter what I wrote in response.
I answered sojourner and you obviously did NOT read the links, but insist on maintaining your vehement bias towards something you know NOTHING about.
 

zeke25

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StanJ
You are bearing false witness. Exodus 20:16 KJV, “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.” You cannot quote a single sentence in which I employed the use of ad hominem, or lied, or made an innuendo.

Also, you have revealed your true character because you consider that Bible verses purposefully mistranslated by the NIV committee to be “gnats”. Any heresy promoted in a Bible version is not a gnat, except for those who despise the Word of God.

Furthermore, you have still refused to engage the subject. The subject is to answer with Scripture those gnats that do not bother you. You continue to stick with your party line of “men” over “God”. You have not even attempted to show that the erroneous verses I pointed out were correct in the NIV. Instead, you merely repeat the same appeal to the gospel of man. In effect you are saying, “I have men who agree with me, what need have I of Scripture?” When you stand before the judgment seat of Christ, be sure to use the line “I have men who agree with me”. Don’t you think He will be impressed?
 

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zeke25 said:
StanJ
You are bearing false witness. Exodus 20:16 KJV, “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.” You cannot quote a single sentence in which I employed the use of ad hominem, or lied, or made an innuendo.

Also, you have revealed your true character because you consider that Bible verses purposefully mistranslated by the NIV committee to be “gnats”. Any heresy promoted in a Bible version is not a gnat, except for those who despise the Word of God.

Furthermore, you have still refused to engage the subject. The subject is to answer with Scripture those gnats that do not bother you. You continue to stick with your party line of “men” over “God”. You have not even attempted to show that the erroneous verses I pointed out were correct in the NIV. Instead, you merely repeat the same appeal to the gospel of man. In effect you are saying, “I have men who agree with me, what need have I of Scripture?” When you stand before the judgment seat of Christ, be sure to use the line “I have men who agree with me”. Don’t you think He will be impressed?
Then why would you do so against members of the NIV committee? People can read zeke...they can see what you are saying is untrue and erroneous.
I see you are now quoting the KJV so are you going to admit you ARE KJVO now?
Apparently you have never read Matthew 23:24 in the KJV? "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel."
How's your eyesight zeke? Apparently not very good.
The OP is what version you use, NOT how bad is the NIV. Only KJVOs come into a thread like this and blast the NIV. Are you KJVO zeke?
As you are quoting from a man-made version and don't have a degree in Greek, what exactly are you doing?
I suggest you learn about the term 'equivalence', and actually learn about translating before parroting this old KJVO garbage here.
 

zeke25

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StanJ

Obviously you are going to continue to bear false witness and refuse to repent. You are also obviously going to refuse to engage the issue of the Scriptures.

I have spoken nothing against the NIV translators that cannot be defended. Why should I care what they think? They don’t care about God’s word.

For the sake of those who might read this exchange between StanJ and myself, be it known to you that I am not a KJVO person. I do not state this because it is important, I state this to show how dismal (pitifully erroneous) StanJ's perception about me is. But StanJ will continue to find other things to confuse the issue here. He loves confusion and he loves the gospel of man. The issue has moved beyond the Scriptures and now the focus is on StanJ's motives, which he has revealed to be anything but pure. The accusations he has made against me have been shown to be false. He is unable to point out any sentence I've written that is a lie or ad hominen or whatever. Beware of wolves in sheep clothing.
 

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The replies of zeke25 are spot-on. Yes, StanJ is bearing false witness. And in a private setting, one would approach him with a "Matthew chapter 18" counsel. Alas, such is forfeit in this commercial venue. Prayer would be no small response.

Posts exposing the corrupt NIV and its clones, complete with primary source documentation, will provoke grave silence, as none can answer it, except with trite and tiny vagaries. It may provoke the backbiting bark of watchdogs who cared not to read it thoroughly and be unsettled in their baseless opinions. The devil does not want those in a position of authority or influence (pastor, professor, amateur writer) to read these posts. The “king over all the children of pride” would like the prince of Grecia to crown their minds with thoughts such as,

‘Some of this is too dry to read and my flesh is too lazy to ‘work’ through it. It would be easier simply to call Dr. ‘so and so’ and see what he thinks.’ [If he has made his living using Greek lexicons, do not count on him to thoroughly read the material or to have a humble reaction to it if he does. He has too much to lo$e.]

‘I am a solid fundamental Christian, therefore I could not be wrong about anything; God wouldn’t give this writer this information before giving it to me.’ [Maybe it was given to this writer because you were rightfully busy doing important things which this writer cannot do.]

‘I must quickly skim for some small error to prove this wrong. I couldn’t have been wrong all these years. I must find something somewhere in the post to show that I know something that this author does not seem to know.’ [This may be a test of your humility. “Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God...” (1 Peter 5:6).]

‘What will so-and-so think? Will this put me “without the camp” or denomination I currently follow?’ [Maybe God has plans for you to help them.]

‘I don’t believe that Greek and Hebrew study is wrong (although I have not read this post, documenting its problems, nor can I refute it).’ [“He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.” (Prov. 18:13).]
Based on the above MIS-information I bet you are also KJVO.
Looking back at this thread, StanJ continues to employ the misdirecting “KJVO” straw man tactic. And, of course, he has provided zero primary source documentation for his anti-KJV rhetoric.

I have been reading and studying with the NIV for over 43 years now and I have never found it wanting unlike the KJV. Many others have as well, including the following authors
http://www.onenesspe...nivexamined.htm
http://veritasdomain...ly-controversy/
http://baptistbullet...l-version-2011/
The Word of God warns against comparing ourselves with others (2 Cor. 10:12). And I checked those silly Op/Ed links of StanJ's and their so-called “authors.” The first contains but ONE footnote - and it merely references James R. White’s anti-KJV book! The second is a simple book review of James R. White’s anti-KJV book! And the third is a broken link.

BTW, opening the pages of the reference book, Name It and Frame It? (1993, Steve Levicoff), sheds light on why the hired gun, James R. White, is just a wizard of errors. You’ve seen the ads, LEARN FLOWER ARRANGING AT HOME. PRESTIGE IS JUST A STAMP AWAY! James took the bait and got his Th.D ‘doctorate’ and Th.M. the same way we get our phone bill -- through the mail! His Faraston Theological Seminary (a.k.a. Columbia Evangelical Seminary) is a non-accredited correspondence “degree mill, period” warns the reference book in its 1995, 4th edition on p. 141. White’s inflated pretense may sway a few of his readers, but such shallowness is no match for the subtle new age ‘bibles.’

You can take a photographic tour of “Dr.” James R. White’s alma mater here.

Evidently, the OP is not concerned with discovering truth, but with maintaining status quo. It's vital to rebutt presumptions that are designed to misdirect away from the truth. Bottom line: Critics such as StanJ cannot defend their new versions nor deal with the volumes of documentation and proof. So they must instill in their followers a general distrust for the character and "honesty" of the author. This is done so that when evidence is presented that they cannot refute, they can simply cloud the whole issue with 'feelings' that 'maybe that fact isn't true' because it is presented by a "less than honest" person. New version advocates have such a weak case.
 

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I primarily use the Holy Bible, New International Version. And I'll occasionally use the Holy Bible, King James Version. I find each version lacks in some ways, but by comparing the two you can easily find the conflicts which bare further study.

No English version of the bible is the standard for comparison on its own. I don't understand the KJVO agenda. If you wish to continue discussing KJVO or the Evils of the NIV it should be given its own topic. Do not muddle this thread with those arguments.
 

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sojourner4Christ,
I left an message in your inbox for you.

1forrest,
I am going to leave a message in your box as well.
 

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lforrest said:
I primarily use the Holy Bible, New International Version. And I'll occasionally use the Holy Bible, King James Version. I find each version lacks in some ways, but by comparing the two you can easily find the conflicts which bare further study.

No English version of the bible is the standard for comparison on its own. I don't understand the KJVO agenda. If you wish to continue discussing KJVO or the Evils of the NIV it should be given its own topic. Do not muddle this thread with those arguments.
Thanks.
 

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No English version of the bible is the standard for comparison on its own.
That’s merely your opinion. Yet you have stated it here as fact. So there’s the problem; like others here, you have presumed and thus have joined the controversy. [edited by mod]

It’s the same thing with the OP, which states, “There many very good [versions] out there now.” With that prejudiced comment, the poster has encouraged all to join the controversy; “arguments” are guaranteed to follow such a presumption.
I don't understand the KJVO agenda.
Now that is a fair statement on its own! It’s not a sin to be wrong; it’s not even a sin to be grossly wrong. But it IS a sin to do nothing when presented with the truth of the matter. Admitting that one does not understand is a first step in discovering truth.
If you wish to continue discussing KJVO...
No, I’m not interested in “discussing KJVO,” nor am I the one continually foisting that inflaming label here.

Only the truth shall make you free.
 

StanJ

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sojourner4Christ said:
No, I’m not interested in “discussing KJVO,” nor am I the one continually foisting that inflaming label here.
Only the truth shall make you free.
So let me get this straight. You won't answer the OP because you don't like discussing your KJVO position but are willing to slag the NIV or any English version, because the KJV is the ONLY truth?
Yeh OK I think we got it.
 

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FYI, I've moved Moved DanielGarneau's post and Stan's response to the KJVO topic, as I want to avoid those discussions in here.

Happy posting.

EDIT:

I've moved a bunch more posts about KJVO to the KJVO topic. Please keep these disputes about bible versions elsewhere, this topic isn't for that purpose.

Repeat offenders will have their posts hidden instead of moved.