What do you think about gender equality in Christianity?

[Amazed@grace]

You also need to take into account what happened in Genesis 3, and what was said to Adam as well as to Eve. Therefore Paul refers to the gullibility of Eve in his teaching: And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. (1 Tim 2:14)

No, Adam was not deceived. Because God had told him directly not to eat of the fruit. Adam willfully disobeyed God's command. He was without excuse. And by that decision, it was by Adam that sin entered the world.

When God asked Adam what had they done Adam didn't demonstrate honest character at first. He tried to blame Eve for what had transpired. When he was the one whom God had given the command first.
And Adam then told Eve.

Eve ate of the fruit because she was beguiled by the wiser serpent that exploited her innocence. Adam did not have that excuse.

edited typo

 

[Wrangler]

No, Adam was not deceived.

Who first ate the forbidden fruit?

 

[Amazed@grace]

Who first ate the forbidden fruit?

Eve.
Who did God tell directly, not too?
If the man is to be head of the woman, Adam, the first man, failed Eve . And the world.

 

[Wrangler]

Eve.
Who did God tell directly, not too?
If the man is to be head of the woman, Adam, the first man, failed Eve . And the world.

Yes, by NOT telling her no, to NOT eat the forbidden fruit.

Eve committed the first sin. But the first sin was by omission from Adam.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Yes, by NOT telling her no, to NOT eat the forbidden fruit.

Eve committed the first sin. But the first sin was by omission from Adam.

Adam did tell Eve not to eat.And before she encountered the serpent.

Adam's sin was first. When he did not remind Eve of God's command. Nor did he reach out to stop her lifting the apple to her mouth.

Eve sinned. However, the consequences for sin came after Adam ate. And sin entered the world because of Adam. Adam chose to obey Eve's leading rather than obey God, and lead her too as well.
However, sin entered the world through Adam. And the consequences for sin came after Adam ate the fruit Eve offered him.

 

[Jostler]

I don't think that the value of humans should be quantified.

Oh but the Bible does quantify the value of humans. God places a value on both male and female so highly, He traded the blood of His own Son to redeem them....both

 

[Jostler]

Mankind's fallen state came when Adam ate the fruit...not when Eve ate. There appears to be little understanding of divine delegated authority among a few here. You guys would be much better off figuring out how to be the men He has called us to be rather than this incessant picking at women's roles.
God's delegated authority to men is not chauvinistic. It is not the right to coerce a woman against her will. It is not the right to rule as a tyrant.
God's delegated authority is a platform for service. An empowered place to SERVE his wife from.

 

[Jostler]

1 Peter 3:7 NKJV — Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered.

Quite a few men on this forum that God isn't listening to until they deal with this issue...His way.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Eve.
Who did God tell directly, not too?
If the man is to be head of the woman, Adam, the first man, failed Eve . And the world.

Yes. Adam should have given Eve the exact words of God (not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, lest you die). But we can see the danger of adding to God's Word, because Eve was led to believe that one would die if they even touched the tree. That wasn't true. And satan knew she had been misled and used that to deceive her. She touched the fruit ....and she didn't die. Nothing happened. This sparked doubt, I'm sure. So ... she took the fruit and ate it.

 

[Jostler]

that would worry me a lot more than trying to tell women how they need to be to suit your chauvinistic attitudes.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Yes. Adam should have given Eve the exact words of God (not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, lest you die). But we can see the danger of adding to God's Word, because Eve was led to believe that one would die if they even touched the tree. That wasn't true. And satan knew she had been misled and used that to deceive her. She touched the fruit ....and she didn't die. Nothing happened. This sparked doubt, I'm sure. So ... she took the fruit and ate it.

And the thing is... Adam was with Eve and watched the whole thing happen. Adam's sin was willful.

Scripture says that sin entered the world through the man, Adam. Quoting a verse that points fingers at Eve and using that to say women are gullible is chauvinistic.

“Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.” — Romans 5:14 (KJV)

“For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.” — 1 Corinthians 15:21 (KJV)

 

[Cristo Rei]

I think it's about time that men get some credit...

Who builds the cars u drive... Men
Who constructs the buildings u live and work in... Men
Who cleans up your sewage... Men
Who builds and services our roads... Men
Our electrical system... Men
Our comms... Men
Our plumbing... Men
Who fixes your car... Men
Who works in mining and fishing trawlers for weeks at a time away from their loved ones... Men
Who does all the crap jobs... Men
All the hard jobs... Men
Physical jobs... Men

Men do all the hard yakka jobs in this world yet no credit is given at all... Instead it's "we want equality" "we want more money" "we want to be the boss" "harassment" "and wah wah wah"

Most women wouldn't even know what a hard days work really is but its all me me me, equality, we can do it all... Apfft... Where are yas then. I've never worked with a woman in my 45 of work...

Come work with me girls... Cmon... Equality and such... Strong women... Come do some welding in the mines or construction with me... Come... You would last a day...

So how about some appreciation or even just some respect for the men who built this world and make it run with blood sweat and tears instead of always being denegrated, overlooked and disrespected by such feminazi doctrines. "Rape culture" "patriarchy" and my fave "toxic masculinity"...

Let's all be feminine then. Equal... Men are toxic now...
What a twisted ideology that they are brainwashing the youth with... Socialism can be made to look so beautiful on paper.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Who is credited in a scripture for the fall of mankind? ...a man, Adam.
Men start wars.
Men commit the overwhelming majority of violent crimes, rapes and murders.
Men invent most of the evil inventions being used today.

I could go on and on...

Go ahead and toot your prideful horn. But you can't have it both ways. Men are at the root of the evils of this fallen world. If you (whatever you are... "men") would humble yourselves before the Lord, a lot of things in this world would be different. That isn't going to happen. Pride goes before a fall and a haughty spirit before destruction.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Women may be the weaker vessel but mentally and otherwise, women are so much stronger than men. It is scientifically proven that women have a much higher pain tolerance. Men are babies when it comes to pain.

 

[Jostler]

*fscepalm* i kinda doubt God is all that impressed with a man using the muscles God gave him....to use

 

[TLHKAJ]

So how about some appreciation or even just some respect for the men...

I'm not going to stroke your ego. Stand up and BE a man.... a REAL man as described in the Word. The respect will come without your request for it.

 

[Jostler]

nobody here is arguing men need to be more like women. what a strawman...

 

[TLHKAJ]

Come do some welding in the mines or construction with me... Come... You would last a day...

In case you didn't know, mining isn't needed. We have so many other resources and technologies for fuel or power that don't place lives in danger. But hey ...you fall for it, and "men" higher up the wrung than you keep you as a slave while they hoard technologies that would all but end our dependence on mines. How fun is that?

 

[Jostler]

This would be hilarious if the implications were not so serious...the words spoken here will be used to judge you if repentance doesn't come soon

 

[Hidden In Him]

Adam did tell Eve not to eat.And before she encountered the serpent.

Adam's sin was first. When he did not remind Eve of God's command. Nor did he reach out to stop her lifting the apple to her mouth.

Eve sinned. However, the consequences for sin came after Adam ate. And sin entered the world because of Adam. Adam chose to obey Eve's leading rather than obey God, and lead her too as well.
However, sin entered the world through Adam. And the consequences for sin came after Adam ate the fruit Eve offered him.

Someone is apparently so locked into the Gnostic viewpoint that it's clouding her judgment very badly here. The above post contains a massive amount of assumptions.

1. It assumes Adam was there when the scriptures actually say no such thing. This is an occultist interpretation of the narrative, and bears no resemblance to the Christian take on the story.
2. That the consequences would not have come until after or unless Adam ate is preposterous. They would have come upon Even whether Adam ate or not. This is pure presumption.
3. It blames Adam for not having the prophetic foresight to foresee Eve would eat of the tree, as if a man is supposed to somehow know everything his wife will ever do in advance, and be there to order her not to make the mistake or it will be all HIS fault.

Very faulty logic in this post, and it would make sense only to an occultist who has unfortunately been fed so many lies herself by the serpent that she can't tell logic from illogic anymore.

Blessings in Christ,
Hidden In Him