What Does Blasphemy of The Holy Spirit Actually Mean?

[justbyfaith]

In Job 14:7-11, it is shown that when a person falls away, it is as though they are cut down as a tree and only a stump remains.

There is hope for that tree.

At the first scent of water it will bud and produce boughs like a plant.

Also consider Psalms 31:22. The person thought it in haste that he was cut off before the eyes of the LORD; but when he prayed, the Lord heard him and restored him.

Likewise Psalms 23:3.

There is also the fact in scripture that the exception to Hebrews 6:1-8 is found in the idea that with God nothing shall be impossible (Luke 1:37).

A person who falls from the third story of a building (living in Romans 8) to the second story (becoming a Romans 7 Christian) has not fallen away.

But even for those who fall from the third story to the first (unbelief in departing from the living God), there is hope in the story of Eutychus (Acts of the Apostles 20:7-12).

Also in Acts of the Apostles 27:20-24, it appeared that there was no hope of being saved; yet the Lord came through.

I'm certain that there are other examples in holy scripture that show that all is not lost if you think that you may have "fallen away"...

I will bring up one last point; and that is that in John 6:37, Jesus promises us that whoever comes to Him, He will in no wise cast out.

And therefore, if you think that you may have fallen away, simply repent and surrender your life to Jesus once again. Come to Him.

If you are able and willing to do that, it would be the proof that you didn't fall away completely; and therefore were able to return to Jesus as a prodigal son or daughter.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

In Job 14:7-11, it is shown that when a person falls away, it is as though they are cut down as a tree and only a stump remains.

There is hope for that tree.

At the first scent of water it will bud and produce boughs like a plant.

Also consider Psalms 31:22. The person thought it in haste that he was cut off before the eyes of the LORD; but when he prayed, the Lord heard him and restored him.

Likewise Psalms 23:3.

There is also the fact in scripture that the exception to Hebrews 6:1-8 is found in the idea that with God nothing shall be impossible (Luke 1:37).

A person who falls from the third story of a building (living in Romans 8) to the second story (becoming a Romans 7 Christian) has not fallen away.

But even for those who fall from the third story to the first (unbelief in departing from the living God), there is hope in the story of Eutychus (Acts of the Apostles 20:7-12).

Also in Acts of the Apostles 27:20-24, it appeared that there was no hope of being saved; yet the Lord came through.

I'm certain that there are other examples in holy scripture that show that all is not lost if you think that you may have "fallen away"...

I will bring up one last point; and that is that in John 6:37, Jesus promises us that whoever comes to Him, He will in no wise cast out.

And therefore, if you think that you may have fallen away, simply repent and surrender your life to Jesus once again. Come to Him.

If you are able and willing to do that, it would be the proof that you didn't fall away completely; and therefore were able to return to Jesus as a prodigal son or daughter.

Sorry, but I had to stop investing my time into your post after the first two, for you've taken them out of context. We can't do that! :)

 

[JohnDB]

I'm confused. What does Helen Keller have to do with any of this? :

Calling/labeling whatever is good as evil...
And conversely...
Calling whatever is evil as good.

 

[justbyfaith]

Sorry, but I had to stop investing my time into your post after the first two, for you've taken them out of context. We can't do that! :)

Maybe what I have written is for someone other than you...who has perhaps struggled with the idea that they may have lost their salvation for ever.

I assure you that the verses I have referenced are not taken out of context.

And even if they were, did not Matthew take Hosea 11:1 out of context in Matthew 2:15 and apply it to Jesus as the Son of God when in the original context the son referred to was Israel?

And, do we not get a more orthodox interpretation out of 2 Corinthians 9:6 when we use the biblical hermeneutic of 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv) and apply Luke 8:11 to the verse? Because in the immediate context, it appears to be talking about financial sowing and reaping....something that many have condemned the word of faith preachers for preaching from their respective "pulpits".

Therefore, we can sometimes get the more orthodox teaching when we compare scripture with scripture, taking scriptures out of their immediate context and applying their topical context.

And I also believe that every verse of scripture stands on its own as a bastion of spiritual truth...while immediate and topical context is helpful in piecing together a more complete view of what God is wanting to say to you through any singular verse.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Maybe what I have written is for someone other than you...

Oh, ok. Good to know.

 

[07-07-07]

Blasphemy of the holy Spirit, can only be committed by an unbeliever.

The actions of religious people are what prompted Jesus to delve into the topic of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. A devil was being cast out of a man and the Pharisees attributed the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan.

Matthew 12
[22] Then was brought unto him [Jesus] one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
[23] And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
[24] But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
[25] And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
[26] And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
[27] And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
[28] But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
[29] Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
[30] He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
[31] Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
[32] And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

 

[April_Rose]

Calling/labeling whatever is good as evil...
And conversely...
Calling whatever is evil as good.

And then when you're a woman there are just some things that don't really fit into either category. (Ladies will probably know what I'm talking about. XD)

 

[JohnDB]

And then when you're a woman there are just some things that don't really fit into either category. (Ladies will probably know what I'm talking about. XD)

It's like all those people who are calling good Vaccines as evil...and the evil virus as being a positive thing.

My son just tested positive and isn't feeling good to begin with today.

He is going to be out of work and quarantined for two weeks. But he will get paid at least while he is out.

 

[April_Rose]

It's like all those people who are calling good Vaccines as evil...and the evil virus as being a positive thing.

My son just tested positive and isn't feeling good to begin with today.

He is going to be out of work and quarantined for two weeks. But he will get paid at least while he is out.

I'm really sorry to hear that but I think you sort of missed the joke. LOL Anyways, I hope he feels better soon. :) *Hugs*

 

[quietthinker]

And then when you're a woman there are just some things that don't really fit into either category. (Ladies will probably know what I'm talking about. XD)

perhaps you could enlighten this dumbo? :)

 

[April_Rose]

perhaps you could enlighten this dumbo? :)

Well,.. how would you like getting a visit from good old Aunt Flo every month? In some ways she's good, but in other ways she's just a great big pain!!

 

[quietthinker]

Well,.. how would you like getting a visit from good old Aunt Flo every month? In some ways she's good, but in other ways she's just a great big pain!!

You're a scream A-R....but frankly, as messy as Aunt Flo might be I would have thought it kinda unique and anything but evil.

 

[April_Rose]

You're a scream A-R....but frankly, as messy as Aunt Flo might be I would have thought it kinda unique and anything but evil.

Well,.. she can put you into grumpy moods sometimes.

 

[Davy]

Yet the only mention of the unforgivable sin is still in the exact place in the bible it has always been. It is still, and always will be exactly what Jesus said it was, and not what the men you are listening to prefer to call it. Not sure why you would believe them over your lord and saviour, but I suppose if people want to put their faith in men over Christ, that is completly up to them. But I have to say, its surprising to see that happen snd I have to wonder if the people who insist on changing the word of God because his word is offensive/harsh to some, even bothered to think through what they were doing?

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding.

You all didn't trust the lord on this one, did you?

I really do not know why you are trying to make up excuses against... what Paul taught in Hebrews 6, which clearly... shows about a 'believer' that once tasted of the heavenly gift and powers of the world to come, but fell away. And then Paul showed for those that do that, it is impossible to renew their salvation, seeing they would be crucifying Christ afresh. That is a Scripture evidence of blasphemy against The Holy Spirit, because it means to turn away and NO LONGER BELIEVE. To reject The Holy Spirit after having been given PROOF BEYOND ALL DOUBT is unpardonable, as shown there.

Now if you have a problem with that Hebrews 6 Scripture showing that, don't try to milly-mouth me just because I showed you and you refused to believe it, take your false argument and accusations to Lord Jesus Christ, and see if He will listen to your mumblings.

 

[Perception matters]

When Moses claimed he also brought water from the Rock, he committed blasphemy. He did not sanctify God when in his anger said must we fetch you water from the rock.

Peter committed blasphemy when after being told not to call any man common, he separated himself because he feared those who came from James. He quenched the power of Spirit.

when peter changed his mind from his speech in acts,

“And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to you can’t know anything without us.

“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He made himself more powerful than the spirit of God, who chooses who he reveals himself to and uses what ever he chooses as it pleases him. He can raise children out of stones if he chooses, He used a donkey to speak and rebuke. To say any different is blasphemy

When we take the gift of God and claim we have to add something to it to make it worth anything, we commit blasphemy.

 

[Perception matters]

We are just tools in His hand

 

[Hidden In Him]

Peter committed blasphemy when after being told not to call any man common, he separated himself because he feared those who came from James. He quenched the power of Spirit.

when peter changed his mind from his speech in acts,

“And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to you can’t know anything without us.

“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Ok wait, LoL.

Greetings, Perception Matters, and welcome to the forum. I think you are jumping into conclusions here with regard to the 2nd Peter passage. Just because a church leader advises others to listen to what they are saying doesn't mean they are saying, "Listen to us instead of the Holy Spirit." The NT writers often spoke of the Spirit bearing witness with what they were teaching, which means the two were in agreement, yes?

This is why we honor the Books of the Bible as scripture the way we do.

God bless, and welcome once again.

 

[Perception matters]

A church leader? He was made the “head” of the church not just a leader. He quenched the Spirit, more than once.

 

[Hidden In Him]

A church leader? He was made the “head” of the church not just a leader.

Then my point would be made all the more, yes? He was an apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ. So again, if an apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ advises others to listen to what he is saying, it doesn't mean he is saying, "Listen to me instead of the Holy Spirit." As stated, the New Testament writers often spoke of the Spirit bearing witness with what they were teaching, which means the two were in agreement.

He quenched the Spirit, more than once.

Again, I think you are reading into the text to say he was somehow "quenching the Spirit" simply because he was advising his readers to take heed to what he was saying.

 

[Davy]

‘...while they feast with you’ never noticed until you bolded. the ‘while they feast with you’ must mean something to you? Question then is where do they ‘feast with you’ if not at the Lord’s table, in the breaking of bread? He that would betray the Lord, sat with him at the table. Consider: if your enemy hungers feed him. If he thirst, give him drink. Feed him what? Give him to drink of what? (You prepare a table before me in the presence of mine enemies) in feeding your enemies and giving them to drink... you will heap hot coals upon his head.

‘...while they feast with you’
...what is ‘feast of charity’ if not the whole passage where it is spoken 1 Corinthians 11:23-25 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: [24] And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. [25] After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

The whole passage there...about charity and coming together to ‘the feast’, the Lord’s supper; for the better and not for the worse. The “I praise you not’ a warning. 1 Corinthians 11:33-34 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. [34] And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear:

Feeding themselves without fear : 1 Corinthians 11:21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
...one is hungry
...another drunk
...be not drunk as some are; be sober and watch.

...clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

Without water ...carried (tossed to and fro carried) about of winds: Ephesians 4:14-16 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; [15] But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: [16] From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body (again what is ‘feast of charity’ if not ‘the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: [24] And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat:’

...unto the edifying of itself (His body) in love.

Luke 24:34-35 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon. [35] And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.


beast ‘feasting with you’, without water ...carried about by every wind of doctrine and lie in wait...feasting of charity ...yet every one takes his own meal before another: one hungry, another drunk and staggering ...vengeance belongs to the Lord. “I will repay”. What is there at the feast ...brute beasts? Where ‘feasting’ with you unto their one destruction? Beast; are they literal brute beast ...when do they ‘brute beast’ come to the table and eat flesh and drink blood?

What are you asking? your point? Maybe you're not aware the subject of the 'brute beasts' Peter is speaking of involves the "mystery of iniquity", i.e., the "tares" of Lord Jesus' parable of the tares of the field.

Didn't you notice these verses about those brute beasts Peter spoke of?

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
KJV

I know Scripture like that may hurt the feelings of those who believe man's false doctrine of OSAS, yet that kind of Message in God's Word about those who fall away from Christ does exist.

So really, like Apostle Paul said...

Phil 2:12
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
KJV