What Does Blasphemy of The Holy Spirit Actually Mean?

[Hidden In Him]

But that actually does answer the question, whether you see it or not.

No, it doesn't, but if you don't wish to answer me directly that's ok. But the reason I'm asking is that it will most certainly come up in other discussions. There are some believers here who espouse the teaching that not all scripture is inerrant, and that I can understand. But your position goes beyond that to denouncing entire Biblical writers as errant, or so it appears.

Right now? No, I’m not really in a position that I can, if you want to actually discuss it I definitely would and could explain exactly what I think and why. But, right now I can’t.

Just getting a feel for what you teach. I'm generally open-minded, but I can't say as I'm wild about what you are saying so far.

But so be it. Just be warned that you may face some backlash, even over just what little you've shared already.

Whatever the case, God bless. I hope the conversations you have with others here in the future are constructive.

In Christ,
Hidden in Him

 

[Perception matters]

I’m actually at work right now, yes I would discuss it directly. But, like I said, at this moment I cannot, I can’t not focus on what I’m doing long enough for that type of discussion.

I run towboats and can only take a couple minutes at a time, not enough for that type of discussion. I will stand behind every thing I say, with reason, not avoiding you.

 

[farouk]

I’m actually at work right now, yes I would discuss it directly. But, like I said, at this moment I cannot, I can’t not focus on what I’m doing long enough for that type of discussion.

I run towboats and can only take a couple minutes at a time, not enough for that type of discussion. I will stand behind every thing I say, with reason, not avoiding you.

@Perception matters Kind of like, multitasking, right?

So are you on the Mississippi or someplace?

 

[Perception matters]

Yes, on the Mississippi River

 

[farouk]

Yes, on the Mississippi River

@Perception matters Just guessed.... :)

You guys have a peaceful sail this Christmas Eve, as you let it roll, let it roll, full flood... :)

 

[Davy]

I need no excuse, and there is no excuse for what you are teaching.

We are talking 2 different sets of scripture here, what Jesus said and what Paul said. And no, there is no way I'm going to listen to or even consider such nonsense. And no, it is your mumblings Christ will have a serious problem with, because you chose the word of men over his word, when you chose a sugar coated version of scripture, and whats worse, to teach it to others.

Is today's educational institutions that bad today, that you cannot even understand what the word 'unpardonable' means??? It means not forgiven. THAT... is the subject Jesus is warning about in Luke 12 also. Did you bother to read the Luke 12 version???

Luke 12:8-12
8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess Me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
9 But he that denieth Me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
11 And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
12 For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
KJV

Didn't you read that "whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him"? It is not the blaspheming The Father and The Son that is the unpardonable sin. You are obviously wrongly thinking that words of blasphemy against The Father and The Son cannot be forgiven, which is not true. Thus you wrongly think the unforgivable sin means to blaspheme God. No, because Jesus shows right there that those who speak a word against Him shall... be forgiven, so that is NOT the unforgivable sin.

In the next Luke 12:11-12 verses is where Lord Jesus REVEALS what committing the unforgivable sin is! ONLY one of His servants can commit it! The example He gives is about when one of His is delivered up and goes against allowing The Holy Spirit to speak in that hour.

 

[Perception matters]

Luke 12:8-12
8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess Me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
9 But he that denieth Me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
11 And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
12 For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
KJV

Didn't you read that "whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him"? It is not the blaspheming The Father and The Son that is the unpardonable sin. You are obviously wrongly thinking that words of blasphemy against The Father and The Son cannot be forgiven, which is not true. Thus you wrongly think the unforgivable sin means to blaspheme God. No, because Jesus shows right there that those who speak a word against Him shall... be forgiven, so that is NOT the unforgivable sin.

In the next Luke 12:11-12 verses is where Lord Jesus REVEALS what committing the unforgivable sin is! ONLY one of His servants can commit it! The example He gives is about when one of His is delivered up and goes against allowing The Holy Spirit to speak in that hour.

always disobedient, and fearing men

“And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him, Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them. But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭11:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Davy]

always disobedient, and fearing men

“And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him, Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them. But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭11:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Just remember what I showed you, if... you reach the coming "great tribulation" time, and you are delivered up to give a Testimony against them for Jesus. He said do not premeditate what you will speak in that hour, but speak whatever The Holy Spirit gives you to speak. IF YOU REFUSE to allow The Holy Spirit to speak through you at that time, THAT is the unpardonable sin. ONLY CHRIST'S ELECT CAN COMMIT IT.

 

[TheslightestID]

Didn't you read that "whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him"? It is not the blaspheming The Father and The Son that is the unpardonable sin. You are obviously wrongly thinking that words of blasphemy against The Father and The Son cannot be forgiven, which is not true. Thus you wrongly think the unforgivable sin means to blaspheme God. No, because Jesus shows right there that those who speak a word against Him shall... be forgiven, so that is NOT the unforgivable sin.

What a twisty, untruthful mess you say.


Fortunately I don't have to rely on snarky comments such as lacking educational facilities to make my point of...Show me where I even came close to making such a claim. Show me where I made this rediculous claim that blasphemy against the father and son cannot be forgiven?

Where did I claim blasphemy against the Holy Spirit was anything but Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

Were you unable to understand this from the post you are replying to?

but I will always believe Christ said Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and that those who did such a thing will not be forgiven... nothing more, nothing less.

You are either very confused, or are making up flat out lies now.

 

[Davy]

What a twisty, untruthful mess you say.


Fortunately I don't have to rely on snarky comments such as lacking educational facilities to make my point of...Show me where I even came close to making such a claim. Show me where I made this rediculous claim that blasphemy against the father and son cannot be forgiven?

Where did I claim blasphemy against the Holy Spirit was anything but Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

Were you unable to understand this from the post you are replying to?

You are either very confused, or are making up flat out lies now.

So in your 'personal universe', Christ cannot forgive blasphemy against Him. Fine, I'll remember that's the kind of baloney you believe by your rejecting the Luke 12 Scripture.

 

[Davy]

Where did I claim blasphemy against the Holy Spirit was anything but Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

Were you unable to understand this from the post you are replying to?

You need to study the Luke 12 example more, and actually more of your Bible.

The matter is about 'accountability'.

The non-believer blasphemes God all the time, saying His name in vain, not speaking against The Holy Spirit in vain. It's not like, "HS darn" or something. They say, "GD, or Jesus Christ" when they don't even believe! So tell me then, how does... one blaspheme The Holy Spirit, because it's obvious you don't really understand it.

ONLY one of Christ's servants that falls away from the Faith, like Paul taught in Hebrews 6 and Peter taught at the end of 2 Peter 2, can commit the unforgivable sin.

Once a believer on Jesus Christ experiences the powers of the world to come by The Holy Spirit, and then turns away, there is no forgiveness for that person, because they have been 'shown' Salvation beyond all doubt but rejected it by turning away, and thus are held 'accountable'. That is what Hebrews 6 and 2 Peter 2 is revealing.

 

[TheslightestID]

So in your 'personal universe', Christ cannot forgive blasphemy against Him. Fine, I'll remember that's the kind of baloney you believe by your rejecting the Luke 12 Scripture.

"Him" as in against himself? (you weren't very clear there) but yes, of course Christ can forgive blaphemy against anyone but the Holy Spirit. No reason to think otherwise. Listen carefully...

28Truly I tell you, the sons of men will be forgiven all sins and blasphemies, as many as they utter 29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin. Mark 3:28-29

The matter is about 'accountability'.

No, the matter is much more simple tha that, it is about blaspheming the Holy Spirit, nothing more.

That's where you are assuming just because man taught that, because it is what people want to believe for the reasons I've given. There is no reason to go any further than the scipture I just quoted, but you all insist upon making a jump from one scripture to the other, twisting the word if God terribly, confusing the simple truth, and keeping the truth from those who need to hear the warning, and in turn causing them to sin the big one. What is being taught over the truth is an extremly serious matter, yet people teach it without giving it a second thought.

So tell me then, how does... one blaspheme The Holy Spirit, because it's obvious you don't really understand it.

Not sure how else to impress on you that, no, it is you who does not understand. One blasphemes the Holy Spirit, by blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Look up the term blaspheme if you do not know it's definition. And that's all there is to it, there isn't any more. You have believed what you believe for so long now, that you are conditioned to believe it is true, but you never stopped to realize it was man who invented, and perverted the definition, not the actual word of God, nor did you stop to question it because it is easier for you/others to believe what you do over the truth.

 

[Renniks]

Did you ever consider going with Jesus's description over your own opinion?

It's not rejection of, but blasphemy against the holy spirit. See, what Jesus calls it, is what it is. Why believe man over Jesus?

Not sure what you are getting at. If I reject God that's certainly blasphemy.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

It doesn't appear that a person that is rooted in Christ will commit the B-Word.

1 Corinthians 12:3 NLT - "So I want you to know that no one speaking by the Spirit of God will curse Jesus, and no one can say Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit."

Thank God for a Controlling Spirit. :)

 

[Davy]

"Him" as in against himself? (you weren't very clear there) but yes, of course Christ can forgive blaphemy against anyone but the Holy Spirit. No reason to think otherwise. Listen carefully...

28Truly I tell you, the sons of men will be forgiven all sins and blasphemies, as many as they utter 29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin. Mark 3:28-29

And you need to pay attention... to the Hebrews 6 and 2 Peter 2 Scriptures I showed you about a believer that experienced the heavenly gift by The Holy Spirit but then fell away.

Apparently your reasoning ability isn't able to go deep enough to grasp that blasphemy against The Father and The Son is really the idea you are pointing to, although I showed from Luke 12:10 that blasphemy against The Father and Son 'can'... be forgiven, so that is NOT the unforgivable sin. Process of elimination means it has to be what then? It has to be a sin that ONLY a believer on Christ can commit, which is the very subject of Hebrews 6, and indirectly Luke 12:11-12 which is about a believer being delivered up to give a Testimony by The Holy Spirit, and Christ commands to say what The Holy Spirit gives one to say in that hour, which means don't refuse The Holy Spirit to speak.

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No, the matter is much more simple tha that, it is about blaspheming the Holy Spirit, nothing more.
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And yet you have no Bible example of what it is, while I showed you what it is.

It is NOT blasphemy against Christ Jesus and The Father, so what is it?

 

[TheslightestID]

Not sure what you are getting at. If I reject God that's certainly blasphemy.

No, blasphemy is blasphemy. When you reject God, that is, well... rejecting God.

See how silly it turns out to be when one tries to change the word of God? People have to make all kinds of oddball claims in order to get the scripture twisted into something else, and when the do, they end up with oddball, twisted scripture. :)

A question, was Jesus wrong when he said Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was the unfogivable sin or was he right?

 

[TheslightestID]

And you need to pay attention... to the Hebrews 6 and 2 Peter 2 Scriptures I showed you about a believer that experienced the heavenly gift by The Holy Spirit but then fell away.

Why would i even think of paying attention to scripture that had nothing to do with what Jesus stated on the unforgivable sin? That would be silly.

Apparently your reasoning ability isn't able to go deep enough to grasp that blasphemy against The Father and The Son is really the idea you are pointing to,

My abilities are fine, and it is your ability to understand what is very simple that is in question here.

And yet you have no Bible example of what it is, while I showed you what it is.

It is NOT blasphemy against Christ Jesus and The Father, so what is it?

Of course I have a bible example, it's the one Jesus gave, as in stating the work of the Holy Spirit was the work of Satan. Have you not even read the scripture we are debating?

Let's try this... a question for you, in the following scripture, was Jesus wrong when he said men would not be forgiven for Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

"All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men" (Matthew 12:31).

A very simple question.

 

[Davy]

Why would i even think of paying attention to scripture that had nothing to do with what Jesus stated on the unforgivable sin? That would be silly.

If you think you're right, then SHOW me an example of committing the unforgivable sin PER GOD'S WRITTEN WORD. And good luck.

 

[TheslightestID]

If you think you're right, then SHOW me an example of committing the unforgivable sin PER GOD'S WRITTEN WORD. And good luck.

It's not a matter of my being right, but that the bible is right.

I just told gave you biblical example, what's is wrong with you? Here it is in the first sentence in bold:

22 And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and “by the prince of demons he casts out the demons.” 23 And he called them to him and said to them in parables, “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. 26 And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end. 27 But no one can enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man. Then indeed he may plunder his house.

28 “Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— 30 for they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”

Again, the example is, when the scribes said:

“He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and “by the prince of demons he casts out the demons.”

You know all of this already? But in the end, we don't even need an example, Jesus tells us in vsrse 29:

, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—

And I personally can just take his word for that. Still, you now have your example.

Now for the matter of why you didnt answer my question for you? Unless for some reason you are afraid to answer, let's try it again:

Let's try this... a question for you, in the following scripture, was Jesus wrong when he said men would not be forgiven for Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

"All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men" (Matthew 12:31).

 

[Renniks]

No, blasphemy is blasphemy. When you reject God, that is, well... rejecting God.

See how silly it turns out to be when one tries to change the word of God? People have to make all kinds of oddball claims in order to get the scripture twisted into something else, and when the do, they end up with oddball, twisted scripture. :)

A question, was Jesus wrong when he said Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was the unfogivable sin or was he right?

What do you think counts as blasphemy? Can a true Christian curse the Spirit in his heart? I don't see how.