So what? John just said he
doesn't believe the part of "Ransom Theory" that it is to SATAN, only that it is like a ransom paid that freed us from sin. (I don't agree, but you can't force the whole Origen theory on to John, just because he uses "Ransom."
I'm not a fan of Origen at all, and am only thinking about what you guys are talking about on this point, but there is one thing that does have to do with Satan. But it isn't likened to
kidnapping us and paying a ransom to Satan, as if Satan was correct that the death of Jesus was payment to him; in fact, it doesn't have to do with us at all in the mind of Satan, except as subjects, only Jesus. Satan owned us, and wasn't about to give us up, so there was
no negotiating of
ransom. (bad theology of Origen) As far as Satan knew, it only had to do with the
murder of Jesus, so Satan could continue ruling and exact death on his subjects. Satan was clueless. He signed his own death warrant. He wasn't privy to the mystery in the mind of God.
@John Caldwell. If you believe in some kind of ransom, but that it is not paid to Satan, then who? God? That is not true either. Any thought of "ransom" is not accurate, except maybe in the sense that the death of Jesus killed the kidnapper, which would free us I guess. Is that what you mean? Still the kidnapper didn't receiving any ransom. Just thinking off the cuff.