Lambano
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I would have to conclude, then, that the modern Church is descended from those who were "Left Behind", and not from Jesus.
I suppose that would explain a lot...
What if the Outside of the Kingdom?
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I suppose that would explain a lot...
Scriptures talk about a second coming of Christ only, not a 3rd, 4th, etc...
Hebrews 9
27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time,
Saying Christ came back in 70AD, does not work with for example 2 Thessalonians 1 and 2, which describe the things that happen when He does return. Or even Revelation 19, where he strikes and rules all the nations, which clearly is still in the future to come. Evil rulers still rule the nations, this can not be denied.
11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.
The Beast and His Armies Defeated
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”
19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.
Behold
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God created a place for the unbelievers when He created it for the Devil and His Angels.
Thousands of unbelievers died and went there today, and now they do believe in Jesus.
Every single one.
This does not help their situation at all, as the "2nd Death" is not going to change once you achieve it and are found there.
John 3:36
Sure, but like scripture says here this is for the saved Christians only.
Revelation 20
5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Christians are in Christ, whereas the unsaved abide in death, over them the second death has power.
There will be a resurrection of the just (Christians) whose citizenship is in Heaven
Then there will be a resurrection of the wicked (unsaved, unbelievers) who are going to the Lake of Fire, abide in death means they will experience the second death after their resurrection. They have been abiding in Hell before this after their first death.
Yes all people are resurrected.
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Earburner
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To be IN the KoG, is for Jesus to be IN you.
To be IN Jesus, is to be IN the KoG.
To be IN the KoG, is to be IN Jesus and he IN you.
Earburner
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Behold
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Yes.
And the born again are in Spiritual Union with Christ so, they have been delivered from Hell, the Lake of Fire, that is the 2nd Death.
Behold
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Jesus has the keys to death. I believe even the keys to the second death.
Hell is not designed as a "do over" "2nd Chance".
See, everyone in Hell, believes in Jesus.
Are they still there?
Yes they are.
Lambano
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I dunno, brother. The Outer Darkness (Matthew 8:12, Matthew 22:13, Matthew 25:30) sounds like it's pretty, well, dark. With lots of wailing and grinding of teeth. And outside the presence of God. I don't think anything can live outside of God's presence, away from the source of Light and Life. "Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You! If I make my bed in Sheol, You!" (Psalms 139:7-8)
Anyway, it doesn't sound pleasant. Non-existence would be more merciful.
Behold
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The reason a person dies and goes to hell, is the same reason they will stay there, until hell is sent into the lake of fire.
This. John 3:36
All I know is God desires none to perish, gives nothing but good gifts. A gift everyone will receive is a resurrected spiritual body.
Seems there will be some work to do in heaven atleast I hope so.
Wouldn’t seem fair for people to have children who never believed to just be done away with forever…
The city sounds great the heavenly Jerusalem. The gates never close.
I try to justify my stances by the use of the Bible with revelation, having been completed most people don’t because they still don’t believe that Jesus has came back.
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